Okay, so the discussion about who this Letharst is starts now.

* The fell orc best friend
* Lady Cragmaul lover
* Piece-kun/Kotomine
* He is a fucking bear

Actually, I felt a bit guilty introducing a tiefling in such a stereotypical role for the race (as I actually rather like tieflings, even played one myself in one campaign), but I suddenly realized I really needed an NPC for this and I hadn't made a major tiefling NPC yet, so there you are.

A stereotypical role for the class? Well, I might understand that later.

>>1599
clearly he works at the dragon circus

>>1607
>stereotypical role for the class
>dragon circus worker
I knew it.

>>1609
>What's a Grand Duke?
Is he a circle? Or do he lives in a cave?

>>1610
No, no, it's a type of ice cream.

>>1611
No, No, it's a breed of dog!

>>1612
Interesting, so this dog of him is interesed in us? I wonder ...

We're all wrong. It's a giant waterborne fowl.

...Wait a minute, did Thelkra give us the slip at some point?

>>1626
No, she's with you, just staying silent for now~

>>1627
Oh good, I was worried when there wasn't any mention of her after we got back.

I don't think I did too well that time, guys.

>>1632
Even if it was a hard DC for your level, it'd only be like DC 21, and I'd be willing to let you use the roll as if you were level 4 or give you a circumstance bonus or something to turn it around.

>>1633
I was referring more to the dialogue. I thought I might have asked too much of our patron after just meeting them.

Maybe asking them for help was too much, but the explanation was great, thank you.

>>1635
"OH HAI, WE FOUND UR HAFF ORC
PLZ HELP SAVE WURLD NAO"

>>1637
I took a scale from the dragon, but I'm not sure if it desintegrated as well~

>>1638
Huh. So you did.

>>1638
Actually, I meant to tell you that the dragon didn't have scales. Its hide was like rock, not scaly.

>>1640

That text color is suspicious.

>>1642
Pfft, you and your "precautions".

>>1641
To further clarify, it was kind of like a cross between this...

>>1644
...and this.

>>1641
Not scally dragon? oh well~

>>1643

He's probably controlling everything behind the scenes, ne. The likelihood is 70%.

>>1649
You can fling the accusation yourself, then. I think the situation's volatile enough as is.

Some "Bernkastel" and Myn love would be apreciated.

>>1652

But, I love my imouto all the time~

>>1653
He means speak up and give your two cents to our benefactor.

>>1653
But she doesn't. Maybe.

>strange language
Dragonic, maybe? But why would Thelkra know dragonic? Or maybe Valanor is from that clan as well?

>>1658
If you could parrot what they said to the rest of the group, you might find out.

>>1659
Actually, trying to mimic a language you've never really spoken before and are just kind of partially hearing probably wouldn't go well.

>>1660
I was afraid of that.

>>1661
I don't think Sariel has that one prepared anyway.

In any case, I could allow Sureiya and/or Bernkastel to try and repeat it back, but it'd be some kind of check, probably hard. I'd have to decide what kind of check, specifically.

>>1662
They could, but I somehow doubt Miss Cragmaul speaks dragon in the first place.

>>1663
You all are pretty convinced they're speaking in draconic, aren't you~?

>>1664
I'm not. It wouldn't make sense, and would make Miss Cragmaul extremely suspicious.

It's not in dwarven is it

Also, recently found this. There's a zip file of previous LFR (Living Forgotten Realms) campaigns from the previous years (Up to the end of 2011) included in a Zip file or something.

>>1667
I meant 2010

Question: If a feat specifically mentions being able to replace a level 12 or higher utility power (no mention of whether or not it has to be a class power), would that include paragon path utility powers?

>>1669
Er, specifically this.

>>1670
Seems to me it would only be worded specifically that way if you could replace paragon path utility powers with it. I'd have to double-check everything (which I don't have time for right now), but it seems like it to me.

>>1672
I'm attempting to double-check it, but character builder doesn't seem to acknowledge it. It doesn't replace any powers at all.

So it's not dwarven huh ;_;

>>1674
It could be dwarven. It could even be draconian. But we just can't hear it.

>>1675
Oh, I guess I could try a perception check when I get home or something then.

>>1676
Might have to ask if you can do that after the whole thing went down.

>>1673
Are you looking at the retraining tab?

Build -> Retraining -> box called Retraining Choices, scroll down

>>1678
What do you know, it works?

Is it okay if I roll for perception to try and discern if they are speaking dwarven or not, Rin?

>>1680
Yes, you can roll to try and hear them.

>>1681
Of course I just now notice Thelkra was speaking to him, not Cragmaul.

So not a warmonger, a jingoist, or somebody just starting a war for the sake of political gain.

That's a relief.

>>1686
No, no, nothing like that. Actually, I intended this to be a deliberate decision for the PCs to make.

It's perfectly legitimate, and some might say the lawful thing to do, to tell the Grand Duke or his agents about these happenings, even though Thalwynn Cragmaul doesn't want you to. He IS the rightful ruler of the city, so it's well within his right to know. On the other hand, you don't really have a reason to believe Thalwynn is doing a bad thing in trying to hide it from him, so you know, it's all up to you guys.

>>1687
It's his fault for hiring shady guys who seem to know everything anyway.

Seriously, why's he asking us if he already knows everything?

>>1688
Now why would you assume he already knows everything?

>>1689
He knew specifically about that amulet.

Hey Rin, did you decide which kind of check we would need to do to imitate what we heard from the conversation?

>>1690
Well, you may not recall it being so long ago at this point, but actually he is referring to the talisman that Thelkra gave you, which you delivered to Thalwynn when you first arrived in Baldur's Gate, before this whole Fell Cavern business started.

>>1691
The only thing appropriate I can think of would be a Bluff check.

The "new" Warlords compendium entry is up.

http://wizards.com/dnd/files/CC_Warlord.pdf

Don't get too excited, as it's almost completely just a repackaging of the original warlord in the formatting style of Fallen Lands/Forgotten Kingdoms. There are a few minor changes to individual powers here and there. However, the biggest (and most confusing) change to me is apparently that this warlord build is called the "Marshal."

>>1693
There's a new article with some of the blackguard's powers out, as well.

>SA character builder mod thread once again only viewable by subscribers

Make up your mind.

>>1696
It's something that happens every so often. With that said, if anyone ever needs some of the character builder uploaded I'm happy to oblige (the files are all very small).

By the way, if I may make a suggestion, it would be prudent of you all to begin working out how to divide up your loot. I can tell you right now that the ritual book Sariel obtained contains the enchant magical item ritual as well as the transfer enchantment ritual, so you should probably treat reagents (arcana and residuum) as "money" you can use to enchant and upgrade your magical items with.

For reference, your expected wealth for level 4 is 3,200 GP each, counting all the magical items you currently have. You may have a little less, but I expect you'll actually have a little more. Don't count the bag of holding for this, it's a freebie. Make sure to give Sariel a cut of the loot, because I did intend for it to be divided among 6 people.

>>1698
If that's the case, I have less than 3,000 gold. Am I counting it wrong?

>>1700
Well, that would be COUNTING the cut from this adventure, of course.

There should also be a small gold award at the armory, but I am waiting for you guys to divide the loot before I work that out (hint: please get it done soon so I can tally up loot totals~).

>>1701
The cut isn't the belt?

>>1702
The gold I have each of you accumulating should exceed the value of the belt alone.

>>1700
You also have the incorrect value for vanguard longsword; it should be 680 GP.

Dwarven Chainmail+1 520 gp
Farbond Spellblade +1 520 gp
Battle Standard of healing 680 gp (I forget if I bought it for slightly less.)
Healer's Brooch +1 840 GP

Little Dragon Marionette thing 50gp

remaining possible gold from before our adventure (What is written down on my sheet but probably not very accurate) 17 or 19 gp, plus 65 gp left from buying the standard/selling the totem.

Estimated total should be for me, about 2694 gold or so. (Not counting the residdium and all that I guess.)

>>1705
Don't worry too much about loot totals until after you've divided out the loot from this adventure (you should get a lot more than just the dragon puppet, I'm looking at a minimum of ~600gp in item value per person here).

>>1703
>>1704
Let's see, that's about 100 gold for starting out, much of which was spent on equipment and the remaining 7 given away to that guy to fix the window, 13 I have now, and 1 converted to silver points for lodging...

+1 Meliorating Plate Armor (680gp)
+1 Vanguard Longsword (680gp) (purchased for an additional 15-20%. Let's go with 15% then, so 782gp)
+1 Badge of the Berserker (520 gp)
+1 Farbond Spellblade (520 gp)
Heroic Belt of Vigor (520 gp)

That tallies up to...
3143gp?

Looks like no new boots for me right now.

Here's the loot (Not including the ritual book I think) from the previous thread, for the eventual even distribution.

Reagents: 960gp in alchemical reagents (Arcana), 360gp in herbs and plants (Nature), 200gp in residuum (Any)

Magical Items:
+1 Luckblade bastard sword (Level 3, 680gp)
+1 accurate Staff of Ruin (Level 3, 680gp)
Heroic Belt of Vigor (Level 2, 530gp)

Treasure: Golden clockwork cockatrice (250gp), silk dragon puppet (50gp)

>>1708
Herbs would best go to Bern I think, The Arcana stuff maybe between Lili and Myn's characters, maybe the residium to someone to even things out? Just getting a rough guess here before everyone else putting out their gp totals and stuff.

>>1709
I don't think Bern can use natural rituals, though. What would she do with all those herbs?

>>1710
Herbs can be used to heal and other stuff I think? Don't quote me on it.

>>1709
Again,
>>1698
>you should probably treat reagents (arcana and residuum) as "money" you can use to enchant and upgrade your magical items with

Don't just hand it all over to the arcane casters. At the very least, when I am handing out loot, I'm assuming you won't, because anyone can use it for enchanting their magical items (of course, they have to give it to the caster to have it done, but Sariel will do that for you at no charge).

>>1712
Oh, right. There is that, too. I'd forgotten about it.

Anon's total according to character sheet:
Predator's Hide 680 gp
Farbond Spellblade Bastard Sword 520 gp
Magic Bastard Sword 360 gp
Cloak of Resistance 520
Luckblade Bastard Sword 680 gp

24gp and 3 sp
die carved from gold 50gp
Silver necklace 250 gp
(I dunno if the die and silver necklace got spent yet.)

Estimated total around 3084.


Myn's total according to sheet:
Armor of Dark Majesty (840 gp?)
Staff of Ruin 680 gp
Rod of Corruption 680 gp
Amulet of Resolution 520 gp

126 gp
3 sp
Gold collar set with garnet (250 gp)
3 amethysts (300 gp total)
I dunno if he spent it and forgot to mark off the art items or whatever.

Total:Around 3396 gp.

Bern:I was going to do hers, but seeing as she hasn't updated her old sheet and moved onto the other sheet system (which she hasn't shown yet), it's omitted for now cause I don't know how accurate it'd be.

Lili:It's around the same thing for Lili but I'll try my best.

Alch Reagents(70 gp)
Residium(80 gp)
Orb of Fickle Fate 840 gp
Amulet of Mental Resolve 520 gp
Stoneskin Robes 680 gp

Potion of Healing 50 gp
Topaz (worth 500 gp)
103 gp

Total:2843(not counting however much the ritual book was worth and whatnot)

>>1714
I don't recall anon or George ever buying anything so any art objects you guys gave them should still be theirs.

It's likely those who are further behind in terms of current wealth should get the majority of the reagents and art objects.

The Blade is an awesome reward, so if you need some money to balance the reward for the others I still have some.

I'm not good at the item distribution, so I hope it'll go better if I leave it to someone like Bern.

>redistribution of wealth
Communism, Communism everywhere

>>1721
Myn failed to meet the damage quota for the day, so no payment; unequal > equal

>>1722
He does have an awful lot of artsy things already.

>>1720
You were accurate. Here; skipped Sariel, ignored inflated prices and mundane tools.

------------------------

Myn
126 gp
Amethyst (3) - 300 gp
Gold collar set with garnet - 250 gp
Amulet of Resolution - 520 gp
Armor of Dark Majesty - 840 gp
Rod of Corruption - 680 gp
Staff of Ruin - 680 gp
TOTAL: 3396 gp

Michael
84 gp
Dragon puppet thing - 50 gp
Battle Standard of Healing - 680 gp
Dwarven Chainmail - 520 gp
Farbond Spellblade - 520 gp
Healer's Brooch - 840 gp
TOTAL: 2694 gp

???
25 gp
Moonstone - 100 gp
Inquisitive's Kit (hardly mundane) - 40 gp
Golden Clockwork Cockatrice - 250 gp
Amulet of Physical Resolve - 520 gp
Dwarven Chainmail - 520 gp
Totemic Spear - 520 gp
Totemic Warclub - 520 gp
TOTAL: 2495 gp

Torinn
13 gp
Badge of the Berserker - 520 gp
Heroic Belt of Vigor - 520 gp
Farbond Spellblade - 520 gp
Meliorating Armor - 680 gp
Vanguard Weapon - 680 gp
TOTAL: 2933 gp

Sureiya
24 gp
Die carved from gold - 50 gp
Silver necklace - 250 gp
Potion of Healing (3) - 150 gp
Cloak of Resistance - 520 gp
Farbond Spellblade - 520 gp
Luckblade - 680 gp
Magic Sword - 360 gp
Predator's Hide - 680 gp
TOTAL: 3234 gp (fixed)

------------------------

Verification: Dragonshards are Eberron-only, right?

Available reagents from this dungeon: 960gp in alchemical reagents (Arcana), 360gp in herbs and plants (Nature), 200gp in residuum (Any) - Total: 1520 gp

Reagent distribution
0 gp's worth for Myn - total gain from this dungeon: 680 gp
535 gp's worth for Michael - total gain from this dungeon: 585 gp
335 gp's worth for ??? - total gain from this dungeon: 585 gp
65 gp's worth for Torinn - total gain from this dungeon: 585 gp
0 gp's worth for Surieya - total gain from this dungeon: 680 gp
585 gp's worth for Sariel - total gain from this dungeon: 585 gp (she did get no loot, right?)

>>1726
She got the ritual book, right?

>>1727
...yes, ritual book overlooked.

>>1725
Yes. No dragonshards.

Also correct that Sariel got no loot, aside from the ritual book.

Rin, I was wondering. If I were to take Master at arms feat instead this level, would you let me take two weapon fighting at level 5?

>>1729
I didn't think so.

>>1731
Well, yes. If you take the expertise feat early, you essentially get to pick a different feat instead at 5.

>Battlewise, Improved/Superior Initiative, and Imperious Majesty now rated gold in O-Paladin handbook

I know initiative is important and all, but is it really mandatory to have it high?

>>1734
Moving first largely allows you to determine the opening positions in the battle, rather than have your enemy do it. That can be pretty important.

>>1735
That's the same reason having perception trained is also important?

>>1733
I see, then I will take that.

>>1736
A bit different, since Perception has plenty of other uses besides just seeing lurking enemies. But a similar concept.

>>1737
Fair enough.

If you're curious about the copper rod, it's a custom item I created.

Runed Copper Rod Level 4
Wondrous Item 840 gp
Property: This rod can be used as a focus for the enchant magical item, disenchant magical item, and transfer enchantment rituals. If it is used as a focus for one of these rituals, your level is considered to be 1 higher for determining the level of the item you can enchant or disenchant.

If I were to sell the magic sword I would have around 900gp. Enough for the acrobat boots, but not enough for the gauntlets of blood.

>>1741
40~50% is way too high. You're looking at a 5-10% increase when buying from the Flaming Fist armory, or 15-20% increase elsewhere.

>>1742
Then I might buy it if I sleep tonight in a box.

>>1743
Remember to keep track of your different kinds of wealth. While residuum is accepted as currency, other reagents are not. Generally, you can't sell reagents back either (though you might be able to trade out the nature reagents you obtained here for a different kind other than residuum for your item trade-in if you ask).

You can purchase additional reagents for the 5-10% increase and have the enchanting done yourself as well (through Sariel), which may be the best option considering the different kinds of wealth you have.

Questions about the mount:

-If I buy acrobat boots, does the mount also benefit from the stand up from prone as a minor action property?
-What are the disadvantages of being mounted in regards to bringing them into a cave? For that matter, do they have a hard time going down steps?
-When they make a check that can use my stats, or determine their move speed, do they incur the same penalties as I do for wearing plate armor and carrying a heavy shield?

>>1745
1. No. However, as a summoned creature, you can command your mount to stand up as a minor action anyway.
2. Horses don't do stairs, I just can't justify that. A tiger or pegasus wouldn't have much trouble with stairs though. Beyond that, the main problems are obviously that it can't traverse steep inclines (it can't climb), and it can't fit in narrow, 1-square passages without squeezing.
3. You use your roll for the skill check, including any bonuses and penalties that aren't granted from powers or circumstance bonuses.

>>1745
>Regardless of answer, definitely selling the Farbond Spellblade. If I have to attack from range like that, I've failed at doing my job.

For the record, I disagree with this line of thinking strongly. You simply don't have the options at this level to maintain peak mobility at all times.

>>1748
But... Exchanging of stuff for equal value in gold, just this once!

So, could I theoretically give them my Rod of Corruption and some money and have them give me a Darkspiral Rod?

>>1750
I think so. Might want to buy Eagle Eye Goggles while you're at it if you can, since keeping your aura means not recharging encounter powers and relying more on Eldritch Blast, so a bonus to that might be useful.

>>1750
You could. But you do realize you can't apply both the bonus from the Darkspiral Rod and Staff of Ruin on the same given attack, right?

>>1753
I was going to say that as well, but I don't know if he wants to give up the staff like that.

Errata's up.

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/updates

Not really a lot to see here. They fixed Power Strike so the range makes sense and so it doesn't interfere with Free Action attacks, and they updated all the Warlord stuff that the Marshal article changed.

Not sure if I should spring for a Vigilant Blade now or keep the Vanguard Longsword.

must have, priority just below new armor

>>1758
Why're those so appealing to you?

>>1759
Prestidigitation: most useful power in game

>>1760
It has ranged 2 and costs a standard action. How would you use it?

>>1761
>implying it's for combat

>>1762
Never said it was. In fact I'm pretty sure you can't use it in combat anyway. But what would you use it for?

>>1763
It can be used during combat, but whether it'll be effective depends on the situation.

Who knows? It can clean, for one.

>>1764
Ghost Sound is better.

>>1765
Also, Canith Goggles are even better.

>>1753
>>1754

I was thinking that I'd normally use the Staff of Ruin, but with a large enough aura I'd switch hands, ne.

>>1768
Well, sure, if that's what you wanna do, it can be done.

>>1768
The reason it's not as good in later tiers is because it takes longer to catch up to the item bonus to damage. Right now, however, it's just a +1 item bonus to damage, which can be gotten pretty quickly.

>>1768
Well, unlike the staff of ruin, the rod of corruption takes effect when merely held in your off-hand. On the other hand, the staff of ruin and the darkspiral rod are mutually exclusive at any given time.

Choice of sell.

>>1772

However, it's not like I really use that effect anyways.

Since george was talking about it earlier, Rin, what would the sort of penalty be for each amount of time without taking an extended rest on a character? (Besides the obvious no regained daily, healing surges, not leveling up, etc.)

>>1774
What happens when you don't sleep?

There's your answer.

>>1776
Oh, and you can't recover any powers without salves of power and things that recover dailies.

>>1774
>>1776
Let's just say if he tries to game the system I won't hesitate to bring down severe penalties, regardless of what the books say.

>>1777

Hmph. Even with an aura value of a mere 20, Eldritch Blast alone outdamages my daily on average.

>>1778

On the bright side, have you seen the new articles?

http://www.wizards.com/DnD/TOC.aspx?x=dnd/4new/drtoc/398

So, now that I remember I'll be getting Bloodied Boon, the effectiveness of the rod has suddenly doubled. Therefore, I'll be trading in the Staff of Ruin after all.

Now, to choose a shiny new staff as so not to waste this staff feat.

>>1782
You could just train it out for a superior implement: accurate rod.

>>1783

No, I'm retraining Arcane Reserves.

>>1784
Oh, right.

>>1785

How about Rod of Avernus? Or, alternatively, Vicious Rod.

>>1786
I think it's alright.

>>1787

I do, but the fancy ones are too expensive.

>>1788
Staff of Ruin is really the reason I recommended the feat. If you don't intend to use that I'd retrain the feat eventually.

>>1790
As an added benefit, if you intend to stick with rods, you can take Rod Expertise at level 5 for a nice little AC/Reflex boost.

>>1790

Is it okay to conveniently forget and remember how to use staves?!

>>1792

I can leave the AC and Reflex to the meatshields.

Have you planned out your mastery as well? An expanded crit range is kind of a big deal for strikers.

>>1793
Oh, and meatshields do little good against monsters like the deathjump spider that can bypass them entirely with no consequence.

Ranged attacks that target reflex will also be a problem.

>>1794
I think there's a warlock implement mastery feat, but I can't remember the requirements. I think they're based on Charisma and Constitution. Meeting the Constitution requirement may make it not worth it.

>>1796
It required 17 charisma and 17 constitution, if I remember correctly. Why it's not 17 charisma or 17 constitution (or more) is a mystery to me.

>>1794
>>1796
>>1797

I was having trouble finding that in the character builder.

>>1798
It'll only show up if you meet the prerequisites, I believe. Unless you check off "Show Illegal Elements."

It's called Warlock Implement Expertise, I believe, and is a 21st level feat.

>>1781
They keep changing it. My favorite version so far is the version that made a twin of your character appear and use Twin Strike if both attacks hit.

>>1800

>>1778
Victory.

Can an enemy in my defender aura shift without triggering righteous radiance if it is sanctioned?

>>1803
Well, yes. Marked enemies aren't subject to defender aura, you can't stack both punishments.

I'd say it's fair to let you override marks with your defender aura if you like, though.

Thinking about Acrobat Boots for now. Not sure what else I could really get

>>1806
If I even have enough gold, that is...
300 from the payment we just got
84 gold I already had on me
50 gold if I wanna get rid of the Marionette dragon thing ;_;

Dunno if he takes residdium or arcane stuff or whatever (Probably not)

Need like 520 if it's a base price for the boots. I can always hold off.

>aprilfools2011.pdf
Not even trying

>>1807
You don't need it right away.

>>1726
>>1807
Acording to this, you got 535gp in reagents hideling. You should buy yourself something pretty.
>>1809
So, are you getting a mount astaroth?

>>1810
It's a cavalier feature at level 4 that first showed up in Dragon #393

>>1810
That's if reagents can be used as money or to trade for something of equivalent value. I'll just wait for now anyway.

>>1812
The reagents can be used to create magical items, I believe. And since Sariel got the ritual book and that staff she could create a level 5 magical item (as soon we level up).

Totemic Spear/Warclub's wordings conflict with the new implement rules. ...Do I need a new +1 implement?

>>1812
Rather than that, if you have like 535 in reagents couldn't you just have Sariel ENCHANT the boots you're wearing to become acrobat's boots?

>>1814
I think they got rid of that ambiguity a while ago. Anyway, I'd rule it as if you can use it as an implement for any class, it works for all of your powers.

>>1815
>>1813
Oh. How would I go about doing that, exactly?

>>1816
If you enchant it yourself, it's exactly the cost listed in the books, as long as you have that much in reagents.

Ask Sariel about it after you extended rest, once she's had a chance to study the ritual book.

>>1817
B-but meta-gaming~

>>1818
I figure it's easier to first figure out a fair distribution out-of-character, THEN propose it in-character. Just to help keep things from taking too long. I don't intend for this period to be a repeat of last time's "spend a month in Baldur's Gate not doing much."

>>1819
Yes actually I wouldn't like that to happen again.

SureiyareadingMynsmind.jpg

>>1824
Oh well! ... He used italics and he put the text beetween " ".
My argument was than he was thinking aloud!

>at level 30, assuming the bare minimum damage roll for every single attack (a 3 on a craghammer, since brutal 2), out of twenty rolls (not counting critical hit damage or power strikes), a well-optimized knight's battle guardian's damage averages out to 38, accounting for misses with a strength value of 30 (strength modifier damage on a miss)
>at level 30, assuming the Morninglord path is taken, a Cavalier's Righteous Radiance will always do 28 radiant damage, unless the target's vulnerability to radiant damage is already greater than 10 (+6 Symbol of the Champion's Code makes divine sanctions always deal 34 radiant damage, unless the target's vulnerability to radiant damage is already greater than 10)

How do I increase my threat level to compete with something like that?

>>1826
Righteous Radiance can't compete with that, best to not bother trying. You really should focus on making the most of your sanctions (aren't there ways to make them do something other than damage?).

>>1827
The only support sanctions get are Commanding Vow, which slides an adjacent enemy when they get sanctioned, paragon tier's Forceful Challenge, which moves an enemy when they take damage from a sanction (immediate reaction), Honored Foe, which I can't really put to any use, and Weakening Challenge, which shows up in epic tier and weakens the enemy. Since divine sanctions are, as worded, an immediate reaction, I cannot say for certain if it actually weakens the enemy for that particular attack, which is kind of bad.

Heroic tier only has damage from the holy symbol, and Commanding Vow, which isn't that great. There's not much feat support for divine sanction, especially early on, which is why the holy symbol is so important.

>give knight a dagger and optimize around that
>without even adding weapon modifiers, does 33 damage rounded down

Now you're just making fun of me.

>>1829
Well, we know that Righteous Radiance's damage is pathetic compared to a MBA.

Just remember that as a paladin, your secondary role is LEADER. The fighter is the secondary STRIKER (except for certain polearm/grappler builds that are more controller). Damage isn't somewhere you can beat the fighter, but the ability to buff and support your allies is.

>>1830
I suppose so. At-will THPs to everybody but me is bound to tick off somebody.

Actually, speaking of leader-secondary roles, I'll probably become a lot more effective at drawing ire come paragon tier, because I plan to pick up a Withering weapon at that point. I really don't think enemies want me making them easier for Sureiya to hit, which can get even more ridiculous with some feat support from the Hope Domain.

Fake psionic would be more fun to play than real psionic.
That's what I'd do if I ever played a different character.
/bed

I was busy in HoN, but please don't discontinue your hybrid plans, Bern.

>baths
>laundry
<Good>

>adventurers surviving on bread, rations and water
No meat, fruit, dairy or vegetables?

>>1850
The Three Old Kegs is rather specifically cited as not being a restaurant. Thus, their menu is quite limited.

>>1851
That was actually more than I was hoping for.

Somewhat more detailed distribution.

Michael: 520 arcane, 15 residuum
???: 335 arcane
Torinn: 10 arcane, 19 residuum, 36 nature
Sariel: 95 arcane, 166 residuum, 324 nature

>>1856
Okay with it, stamped with seal of approval, etc.

>>1856
Fine by me.

Ahaha, I can't write.

I guess my tip will be a gold coin as well.

Keep flaunting gold pieces and robbers will rob you while you sleep ne.

>>1869
They're coming to me so I don't have to chase them down?

>>1870
Your perception, across town before notice, etc ne.

>>1871

>>1872

We're discussing in knox's stream. Rin says 3 successful stealth checks (easy DC) can let us escape.

no appropriate facepalm image available

Before I forget, here's that hybrid:

====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Thaum, level 4
Razorclaw Shifter, Assassin|Seeker
Hybrid Assassin: Hybrid Assassin Fortitude
Seeker's Bond (Hybrid): Spiritbond (Hybrid)
Hybrid Seeker: Hybrid Seeker Will
Pact Initiate: Pact Initiate (fey pact)
Background: Impiltur (Impiltur Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 11, Dex 19, Int 8, Wis 19, Cha 13.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 11, Dex 16, Int 8, Wis 16, Cha 13.


AC: 19 Fort: 14 Reflex: 17 Will: 18
HP: 42 Surges: 6 Surge Value: 10

TRAINED SKILLS
Perception +11, Stealth +15, Thievery +11, Acrobatics +13, Insight +11

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +1, Bluff +3, Diplomacy +3, Dungeoneering +6, Endurance +2, Heal +6, History +1, Intimidate +3, Nature +6, Religion +1, Streetwise +3, Athletics +2

FEATS
Level 1: Weapon Proficiency (Superior crossbow)
Level 2: Pact Initiate
Level 4: Cursed Shadow

POWERS
Hybrid at-will 1: Biting Swarm
Hybrid at-will 1: Executioner's Noose
Hybrid encounter 1: Possessing Spirits
Hybrid daily 1: Rime Strike
Hybrid utility 2: Cloak of Shades
Hybrid encounter 3: Cloaking Mist

ITEMS
Swiftshot Superior crossbow +1, Amulet of Physical Resolve +1, Thought-Eater Leather Armor +1, Magic Ki Focus +1, Crossbow Bolts (40), Adventurer's Kit
====== Copy to Clipboard and Press the Import Button on the Summary Tab ======

Isn't the palace theme so relaxing~?

>>1899
I can hear the extravagance.

I always like reading those descriptive walls of text.

>>1910
enjoy your purupurupikopuyo

Bern said she could get a bit busy for one or two days, so she asked us to pretend the shaman is mute for a while, or something.

My mind's blanking. What do we ask him?

>>1941
We ask for help in stomping out the orc nemesis looming over Baldur's Gate once and for all.

I was hoping to get a word in before it advanced, but I suppose I can still do it now... when I get the chance.

Bugbear PCs are overpowered.

Okay, so what do you think?

Diplomacy good. Let's do diplomacy.

>>1955

So, we're going to kill the diplomat and take his place, right?

I asked the duke some time to discuss it, maybe that's the best way.

>>1956
Sure, go right ahead. I'll follow behind you from a distance.

No matter what the results are from diplomacy with Many-Arrows, the Dragonsworn clan (impostors pretending to be from Many-Arrows) will continue attacking. I expect that, immediately after "successful" diplomacy with Many-Arrows, we'll be attacked by fell orcs from "Many-Arrows" during the return trip, shattering Baldur's Gate's trust. If not, the Dragonsworn clan has already tricked Many-Arrows into thinking that Baldur's Gate is planning to frame them for crimes they didn't commit, kind of like how Flaming Fist contacted us first and turned us against the ducal palace.

>>1960
That only works if they manage to kill the diplomats.

>>1961
I'm afraid I don't understand.

>>1962
If the fake ones attack, we beat them up and show that they're not with the Many Arrows.

>>1963
The fake ones are already attacking. They carry talismans with the Many-Arrows insignia. My shaman is now actually capable of suspecting this to be true, since the theory contains no meta-knowledge, but there's little evidence until we manage to question Thelkra about the Dragonsworn clan.

Also, temporary chat until stream.
http://www.takamin.com/oekakichat/user/oekakichat3.php?userid=493508

Never mind. Stream purely for chatroom: http://www.livestream.com/critical_hit

Meeting over

I-I missed the adorable imouto meeting, huh.

If you're expecting Thelkra to show up and tell you what to do before you make a decision, well, it's not gonna happen~

Feel free to discuss the information you do have on hand, though.

>>1972
I didn't think she would. Just saying it'd be nice if we knew more.

I don't think that was we were waiting for, but a post from hideling, his character would probably don't accept the offer right now.

>>1973
Also, some IC discussion would be nice.

Neat little D&D comic (5th comic out of the 5 out so far) if anyone wants to read it.

Unless there's some objections, I'll advance you back into the audience chamber after another bit of input or two (think Myn should have an opportunity to speak, at least, given Charisma etc).

Of course, if you'd rather not go back there yet, say so.

>>1988
It looks like a good plan, I believe he is posting right now.
>>1985
Looks good, downloading.

>Highwind

Anybody have anything to say to the Duke before we go?

>>1996
Pssh, for shame. There was a Kain Highwind long before Cid Highwind, you know~

>>1998
What was Cid's last name in FFIV, then?

Before we go, should we mention him about the many arrow camp? We believe their are innocent because we fought those corpses.

Ask about the Dragonsworn clan!

>unrelated discussion
Wait, Cid have a last name!?

>>1999
I'd have to look it up for the precise spelling, but it's something like Polendia.

Edit: Says it's Pollendina.

>>1998
I never played the one with Kain, but there's a Highwind from FF2 as well.

>>2001
Oh yes.

>>2004
Not to mention Alexander Highwind Tycoon from FFV, and the galka guard High Wind from FFXI.

>>2002
Oh yes. Apparently even in games where they're not mentioned, the characters often have last names.

So, should I ask about the Dragonsworn clan?

>>2007
Sure.

>>2009
flagged for deletion

>>2010
pfffhahaha

>>2011
post of the year

>>2012
post of the last year of humanity uuuuoooo

Welp, I'm all out of questions.

I'm ready to go, not sure if anyone else needs to ask something.

By the way, for something like History/Streetwise for Knowledge on the Dragonsworn clan, I'd be asking first for a general knowledge check on Many-Arrows, and IF you succeed that, a follow-up check for knowledge on the clan itself.

>>2020
It can't be helped. Next destination: Arcanimus.

>>2021
Or wait for Thelkra to rejoin us at some point.

It's probably going to happen, valanor sending her etc.

>>2022
No 'or's. Arcanimus!

>>2024
I mean, even you said wait, and waiting and doing nothing is a neglect of available resources.

>>2024
What if I said no?

>>2026
I'd go alone, of course.

Actually, going alone seems easier. I'll do that.

>>2027
I'm just pulling your leg. I think we should all at least pay Sariel a visit.

>>2028
I was, too, until I realized that the rest of you were furnitureluggage.

Stay behind and greet Thelkra or extract information from this Highwind, or something, useless furniture etc.

I need to go to the Arcanimus too.

>>2029
Being luggage doesn't sound so bad.

>>2031
>ship
>pirates, explosions, scurvy, seasickness
It's useless, it's all useless.

>>2033
You mean it's awesome.

>exploding boats
Oh yes.

Wait...
>on a boat
>limited space
>something could drag us off the side
Is mounted combat even feasible here?

Merchant ships would have ways to deal with scurvy on their own, right? They wouldn't neglect fruits, would they?

>>2036
I don't think so

>>2038

>>2039
should've chosen shark mount

>>2040
No celestial shark.

So where do we go from here? Are we free to roam around town, head back to the Arcanum?

By "afternoon", did he mean this afternoon?

>>2045
Yes, he means THIS afternoon. You'll probably have time for a short errand or two, but they expect to get you out today. If you want some extra time, it'd probably be best to ask.

>>2046
I think I'll ask somebody else for the pertinent information.

Anyone else have anything they want to add, or are we good to advance?

I got nothing.

Ore no items where.

>>2050
Torinn has them. You forgot to ask for them.

>>2051

>>2052
Well you did.

ready to go

Arcanimus gooo

>>2055
You'll get your chance for that, before you leave, I promise.

With that said, this part I feel is necessary.

"Glothing"?

Jeez, bern beat me to the description. I was gonna leave it ambiguous so it'd end up with something comical when I just say she's an eldarin wizard.

>>2079
inb4 hilarious sidequest where we actually run into an Eva-Beatrice equivalent

>permenant slow fall effect
Finally, my ambitions of fighting a wisecracking octopus on the scaffolding of an opera house can be realized!

>>2082
>up at the top of the spiral
>a fall off the spiral ramp
I'll stay on the first floor

>>2084
>there's slow fall anyway

>>2085
>implying an irrational fear is rational

Now go and say hi to lili astaroth.

Oh boy, I started reading those D&D comics Rin linked, and I feel they are pretty accurate.
Loopholes everywhere.

D&D comics? The ones from /tg/? If so, that was me. (Hideiling.)

>>2104
Oh I download those ones, but I still haven't read them~
But I was talking about this ones

>>1591
Streetwise check? Well I could try aid another, but my modifier is just +2.

>>2107
Aren't you real far from bern anyway, so it's not like you could aid her?

>>2108
Basically, aren't we going to search in the books? That's how I imagined it.

>>2109
What I mean is, you're all the way up top a spiral ramp with us, at the highest point in the Arcanimus, while Bern is down there, and you probably aren't aware of Bern looking for this stuff

>>2110
Oh w-well, she would need to ask us for help first, right.

>the rituals tie into the plot

Is anybody going to ask her to use the rituals?

>>2116
woke up at pc, too tired, have class tomorrow, maybe type up something when can

Alright, making a short question.
Do I get any bonus in the streetwise check to get information about the Many Arrows/Dragonsworn clan for being a Half-orc? Maybe I could try to talk with the half-orc from before, or something Sureiya knows could be useful in the search.

Using streetwise, according to the books, usually involves searching for such information for an hour. So doing such a thing while talking to somebody else is a bit...

>>2121

Who's talking~?

>>2122
I don't know. You never indicated Myn doing anything since we spoke with the Duke. For all that we know, he got left behind. For that matter, why are you making a streetwise check when you're upstairs with the rest of the group? Unless you're not, which you also didn't indicate.

>>2125

Well, Angecchi did say a streetwise check would be appropriate here.

>>2126
Streetwising how to do what where, and why?

Well, it's fine. I'll just say they're working on gathering information while Sariel is doing... whatever she's doing for Michael (as soon as he posts).