No. 2

The culprit was dressed like Jessica.

No. 3

>>2
What does that have to do with the scene in the rose garden with Maria, Rosa, and Beatrice?

No. 4

>>3
Jessica dressed up as Beatrice would be dressed like Jessica dressed up as Beatrice!

No. 5

>>4
You already know who was dressed as Beatrice. It said so in the story!

No. 6

>>5
Well I forgot.

No. 7

>>6
Or you just want to keep saying Dyke is responsible.

No. 8

>>7
She is responsible!

No. 9

A witch did it with magic.

No. 10

>>8
What kind of blue is that. Jessica has nothing to do with the scene in the rose garden.

>>9
No magic was involved.

No. 11

>>10
>Magic denied in red
>Magic scene
Well, apparently we already solved the first mystery~

No. 13

Oho~ I thought you felt unseasy with cussing Rosa~ But Battler is quite badmouthed~

No. 14

>>13
I am uneasy with cussing, I don't like it. However I try to keep the characters in character. I try to have the characters write their lines for themselves, I try not to let my own personal opinion and views cloud a character's motions and dialouge.

No. 15

>>14
Oh, so it was actually that one. That scene was the one that amazed me the most.

No. 16

While I've denied magic, by accident. Explain how this scene is possible for humans.

No. 17

My bad Rosa, I don't remember that scene too much. Aside from Shannon dressed as beato what else is to explain?

No. 18

>>17
At Beatrice (Shannon's) command a flock of golden butterflies appeared in front of Rosa and Maria and both of them clearly saw them go straight to Maria's rose, ignoring all the other roses.

Since I denied magic, I'll say they were Ghost Butterflies. And Shannon made a pact with the spirit world so she could control them. (Ghosts are paranormal not magic)

No. 19

>>18
Rosa is crazy, or maybe delusional.
If not then maybe the "ghosts" were just a well made effect that tricked Maria, and her mother just didn't wanted to end with her fantasy

No. 20

>>19
Rosa and Maria had objective POVs during this scene.

Rosa can not explain what happened, and believes it to actually have been magic.

No. 21

Shannon aka Beatrice is a herald of the Ogdru Jahad. The 'butterflies' were cosmic bats with a taste for roses covered with loli saliva.

No. 22

>>20
Having an objetive point of view doesn't mean they cannot be tricked!
Hell, maybe Rosa was somehow drugged, or maybe she is not very intelligent.

No. 23

>>21
No cosmic bats exist in this story.

>>22
Of course a person with an objective view can be tricked. Having an objective point of view just means they can't see fantasy.

Rosa was not drugged. Rosa may not be that smart, but that doesn't explain this by human means. They have an objective POV while they can be tricked into thinking it was magic or so on, they had to have seen something.

No. 24

>>23
Shannon had a complete year to think in some cheap special effect, using light effects, or maybe she used real butterflies; they went right to Maria's rose because Shannon added pollen or something that attracted them

No. 25

>>24
Oh? They were also swarmmed around Rosa and landed on her in mass numbers, and how did the vanish from the garden?

No. 26

>>25
Don't make me say it.
Trained butterflies
Anyways, Shannon could have sprayed something into Rosa without her to notice. They could be attracked to sugar, like Maria's Candy.
About the vanish, They just dissapeared from Rosa view, it was really dark and it was raining. Heck, maybe Shannon made them hide in the bottom of the garden.

No. 27

>>26
You more or less have it.
Butterflies can be trained to only land a certain colors. These butterflies were trained to land on the color of Maria's dying rose. Rosa was also wearing that same color, so they landed on her. They were attracted to Rosa's new sweet smelling perfume that she was using. And Shannon used the same sweet smell on the rose to make them go right to it. While Rosa was reading the dropped letter Shannon sprayed more sweet perfume to make the butterflies follow her out of sight.

Next Mystery: The First Twilight.

No. 28

>>27
Alright, if I remember correctly the letter in the parlor was not found until the end, so until you deny it this is the truth!
Somebody from the mansion was the culprit, he/she or they locked the doors using the resting master key than they later put on the third letter
Also, if you wanna make me believe in magic/ghosts/make my bite my navel, it would be nice if you confirmed in red a list of all the keys involved in this closed room, and their positions.

No. 29

>>28
At 6AM each key was in the following location.
Shannon's key was with her.
Kumasawa's was in the bag inside the guestroom.
Gohda's and Genji's were inside the bag in the kitchen.
Kanon's was inside the letter in the guesthouse.

No. 30

A game without knox nor dine leave too many loopholes!
It's either posible to lock or to open a door without a masterkey. Examples:
Secret passways.
Not so secret passways.
Aditional keys.
And everyone favorite, method X!

No. 31

>>30
There are no secret passages in the kitchen, guestroom, lounge, or chapel.

There are only 5 master keys, and 1 of each for said room.

Method X is forbidden, explain a possible method.

No. 32

>>31
And here we go again.
Using fishing rod or a similar trick.
Locking to door from inside while the door is open.
Removing the door, or maybe changing it.
Damaging the door and then repairing it.
Also, what about the individual key for each room? Was each key on the same place where they were by the group at 6am? One of these was not.

No. 33

>>32
Nothing could slip under any of the doors, or between the windows.
The doors in all of these rooms must be completely closed for it to be able to lock.
The door from any room was never damaged.
The door from any room was never removed.

No. 34

>>32
Whoops forgot one.

At six AM the only key to the kitchen was inside the bag in the kitchen.
At six AM the only key to the guesthouse was on the table in the guesthouse lounge.
At six AM the only key to the guestroom was inside said guestroom inside the bag.
At six AM the only key to the chapel was on the table in the guesthouse lounge.

No. 35

Shannon key was used by someone else to perform the crimes. It was returned to her before 6AM to make her suspicious.

No. 36

>>35
Shannon never lost possession of her key during this game.

No. 37

>>36
Then define "lost possesion"
If shannon directly gave the key to someone she wouldn't lose possesion of her key.

No. 38

>>37
Shannon held onto her key the whole time during this game. She never didn't have it.

No. 39

Can you state in red that the keys found in the bags and in the letter were the only keys able to open those doors? And that those ones were in fact the real keys?

No. 41

>>39
By the time it became 6AM, only either a master key or said key opened said room.

The keys mentioned refer to the real actual key.

No. 43

Alright, lets continue with this!
At least one of the doors of this closed room were locked by Shannon! She could have been asked to do it without her being involved!
And if that doesn't works ...
One of the doors was locked from inside!

No. 44

>>43
Shannon was never asked to lock one of the doors until after 6AM.

How do you explain it? Suicide is forbidden.

No. 45

>>44
Oh come on, if magical ghost are real it should not be so hard to deny, right? Shannon keys were involved in this twilight!

No. 46

>>45
Shannon's keys were not involved in this twilight.

No. 47

>>46
You replied to it without any problem huh ... Oh wait a second, wasn't I suposed to prove Shannon innocent? Don't mess with my mind!
Anyways, I will now ask for a simple diagram for the rooms in which the corpses were found. Including of course any way to enter or exit in those rooms. (doors, windows, holes, non magical holes)

No. 53

Uwaa ... they are quite elaborated.
Well, considering how detailed you were I believe you should be able to repeat than:
All the windows were in perfect shape.
No window was removed during this gameboard.
All the windows were closed from inside before 6AM.
The windows cannot be opened from the outside if they are locked.

No. 54

>>53
All windows are in pefect shape.
No window was removed.
All windows were closed from the inside at 6AM
A window can not be open from the outside if it is locked.

No. 55

>>54
Is posible to enter or exit a room from other place aside the windows and doors you showed me in those diagrams!
Not all the doors were properly locked!
Something could slip over or around the rear of a door.
Something small could pass through the border of a window.

No. 56

>>55
The only way for a human to leave any of those rooms is from a door or a window.
All the doors were probably locked.
Nothing physical can go over or around the doors.
Nothing physical can pass through the border of the windows.

No. 57

>>56
>All the doors were probably locked.
Oh come on Rosa.

No. 58

>>57
That was an accident. I meant to say. All the doors were properly locked.

No. 59

It's possible that the letter in the guesthouse was in Shannon's possession. This qualifies Kanon's key to be Shannon's at the same time.

No. 60

>>59
You're getting things a little mixed up, Kanon's master key will always be his no matter who holds it. It will still stay his. But this is correct.

The culprit still has Kanon's master key with them inside the envelope which they at 6AM have with them, and since they are in the guesthouse it matches up with the location I gave.

Next Mystery: How the corpses vanished.

No. 61

>>60
On a similar note, Jessica is Kanon.

No. 62

>>61
Jessica is not Kanon.

No. 63

It was a cold morning, so the corpses decided to walk to their respective beds.

No. 64

>>63
I don't understand at all.

No. 65

At 6AM, Genji, Gohda, and Kumasawa were dead.

No. 66

What about this.
At least one of the corpses of the first twilight than the family members found was fake. That person or an accomplice moved the corpses using the corpses using one of the master keys.

No. 67

>>66
Remember while Shannon wasn't in the kitchen it was locked. And the guestroom was locked when the everyone went to check on Kumasawa's corpse.

And Gohda's, Kumsawa's and Genji's master key were found in the bags.

No. 68

>>67
Is easy to create this ilusion if someone was hidden inside of any of the rooms. Anyways, they didn't found the last letter until all the corpses were gone!

No. 69

>>68
Ahh I see.
While Shannon was in the kitchen no one was hiding in it.
The letter was placed in the lounge before the corpses vanished.

No. 70

>>69
Please elaborate:
"in it"
"the corpses"
and "the letter"

No. 71

>>70
'In it' refers to the kitchen. Meaning while Shannon was in the kitchen no other living person was in the kitchen.
'The corpses' refers to Genji's, Gohda's and Kumasawa's corpses.
'The letter' refers to the letter Erika finds with Kanon's master key in it.

No. 72

>>71
Might need to reread that part, I sincerily don't remember all the scene~

No. 73

Kanon's key is in lounge.
It never left the bag until after the corpses vanished. (it: kitchen key)
The kitchen key was first taken out in the scene when the corpses are discovered to be missing.
When Battler and Shannon arrived at the kitchen door, both doors were locked.
Pantry door can't lock, and in the map I made for Anon, there are only 2 other doors.
When Battler and Shannon arrived at the kitchen door to find the corpses missing for the first time, all entrances to the kitchen were locked.
All windows are enterances and exits.
If a human corpse-mover Y exists, then Y would have been the one to lock the exit(s) Y used to move the corpses.
Why do you have a toad there?


The culprit (Jessica) had a key that could lock the kitchen door(s) after moving corpses somewhere else. She used this key to construct the closed room.
the culprit (Jessica) had a key that could lock the guestroom door(s) after moving corpses somewhere else. She used this key to construct the closed room.

No. 74

>>73
I can't deny that.

The culprit used a lock picking trick involving a hammer, and another key.

No. 75

>>74
Next Mystery: How Jessica left the guesthouse.

No. 76

Jessica left through a window in sunroom. They can't open, and have no locks. These windows were ignored by the person who boarded up the house, since they didn't consider anyone to think about them as exits.
Jessica took off the window and climbed out, and then re-glued the window back in place. Making it no longer an exit option.

No. 77

>>76
All windows are enterances and exits.

No. 78

>>77
All windows are not ALWAYS entrances and exits

No. 79

>>77
At the time this red was made 'the window' Jessica used wasn't an exit.

No. 80

>>78
For the red to be true, all windows must have, at some point, been exits. This includes your sunroom window.

No. 81

This is what is bothering me, ne.
The culprit used a lock picking trick involving a hammer, and another key.
How do that trick works? Well I might have an idea, but it implies you need another key.
And this one:
By the time it became 6AM, only either a master key or said key opened said room.

No. 82

>>81
You get any key that is sort of like the lock you are trying to unlock, and as you are turning it, you quickly smack it with the hammer if done correctly the lock with unlock.

>>81
No error here. IT was around 10AM when Body mover Y unlocked the door and moved the bodies.

No. 83

>>80
I'm afraid i'm not seeing the problem. Jessica used the window as an exit when she left the sunroom.

No. 84

>>82
I'm sorry Rosa, but the way that red is structured doesn't only refer to 6 am, but to the time after it. Or at least that's what I believe it implies. Can we ask it to Rin?

No. 85

>>83
Indeed. Next.

All windows that could serve as exits, were boarded up.

Since the sunroom window did serve as an exit, it goes without saying that it could serve as an exit, meaning that the sunroom window was, indeed, boarded up. However,

If a window is still boarded up a human can not leave through that window.

Jessica escaped through a window that was boarded up. Explain this, preferably without Jessica becoming a monkey.

No. 86

>>84
Magil says:
That expression would refer to before 6AM, by my understanding.

No. 87

>>86
Oh damn it, I was translating it incorrectly then, my bad.

No. 88

>>85
All of that can be summed up by clarifying. At the time the windows were boarded up that window wasn't an 'exit'. So it wasn't boarded up."

No. 89

>>87
Its ok; Rin said I should have been phrased it better.

No. 90

>>85
Rosa already went over this. The window was not always capable of serving as an exit.

No. 91

>>88
The wording says "could serve" and not "did serve" as an exit. In other words, as long as the sunroom window had the potential to serve as an exit, it should have been boarded up.

No. 94

>>91
In the person's mind it couldn't have served as an exit. (The person who boarded up the windows that is)

But fine I'll call it a logic error.

No. 95

>>91
Linguistical entrapment, your specialty. At the time though, the window did not have the potential to serve as an exit.

No. 96

>>94
We can't just call it a logic error. It's not that easy, if you were to admit it you automatically lose, the gameboard dies, eternal pain etc.

No. 97

>>94
>>95
Whether red based on the culprit's point of view is acceptable or not can be put on hold, for now... Does this rule out Jessica?

Next, then. While a window is closed a human can not leave through it. However, while the sunroom window stayed closed for the duration of the game, Jessica managed to escape through it. How would this be explained? Resolved

No. 98

>>97
The window became a window inside a window, for a very short time.

No. 99

>>97
"This one is easier"? If in doing this it's your intention to condescendingly play me for a fool, I am not amused. If you don't honestly believe this is a logic error, I think you've proven your point thoroughly enough. Please remember, this is Rosa's first time as GM.

No. 100

I would prefer to continue with the game. You said you would leave this for now Bern.

No. 101

Unless there are any further objections then, let it be known that this is not a logic error.

No. 102

>>101
I will humbly accept it. It should be understood that shotgun is a deathly weapon.

No. 103

>>101
No objections.

No. 105

I guess the next mystery is the Letter now, since Genji wants it to be done so bad.

The letter from Beatrice recieved on day 1

No. 106

You mean, the letter Shannon gave to Maria? What's the problem with it.
Person X ordered Shannon to give it to Maria

No. 108

>>106
Umm.. That isn't the problem. I should have explained it more.

The envelope was sealed, and had the seal of the head's ring on it. Yet the head's ring was inside the envelope.

No. 109

>>108
A second ring was used.
There's another object capable of imitating that seal.
The ring was used to leave the mark on another object and then that object was used to seal the letter.

No. 110

>>109
Only 1 heads ring.
There is no other object that can make that exact mark.

And lastly Denied.

No. 111

>>110
Is posible to mark the letter first and then put the ring inside.
The letter is divided in two parts, the front part was sealed with the ring, and then it was united with the back part, just after the ring was inside it.

No. 112

There was another opening like a slit made on the envelope. The culprit used the ring to seal the envelope, slotted the ring in through the slit, and sealed it with glue or something.

No. 113

Something like that.. I should have gone to bed it seems. I can't accurately respond right now.
The letter's wax seal was placed on. Then the ring was placed inside, followed by the edges getting sealed.

Next Mystery: 2nd Twilight.

No. 114

>>113
Jessica did it, because she is evil. Then she lied about Shannon doing it.

No. 115

>>114
Is that so? How did the corpses vanish? Jessica was in the palor at that time? And remember the door to the dinning room became locked.

No. 116

How the corpses vanished? Well that happened after they died, doesn't it?~ So it's not the central point right now!
Jessica did it using the Hammer trick or similar! And if Jessica wasn't the culprit this time please tell me why anybody else could have do it!

No. 117

>>116
Jessica is only saying what she believes happened.

No. 118

>>117
Please, repeat this in red!
Jessica watched Eva die. And Jessica believes than Eva murderer is Shannon!

No. 119

>>118
I can't.

No. 120

>>119
If you are ready to repeat that Jessica didn't killed Eva, then this is my next blue!
Kanon did it! He was disguised as Shannon because he is not very manly! And because he is supposed to be death!
If not, my Jessica blue still stand up.

No. 121

>>120
Kanon never pretended to be Shannon.

No. 122

>>121
He didn't!? That's totally out of character Rosa!
A-anyways. Jessica memory is subjective! She only believes Shannon did it because it's convenient for her!
Someone else actually killed Eva disguised as Shannon!
Eva death was accidental.

No. 123

>>122
No one pretended to be Shannon.
Eva was murdered.
Jessica isn't saying it because it is convenient for her.

No. 124

>>123
Jessica was delusional.
Jessica state of mind was not sane in that moment.
Jessica believes shannon killed Eva because she is suspicious to her! But she could not watch the murder from near!
Otherwise of course, Jessica could have been also attacked.

No. 127

>>124
Jessica was not delusional.
Jessica was sane at that moment.
Jessica was not suspicious of Shannon before the 2nd twilight.

No. 128

Please repeat in red:
Jessica's eyes were fully functioning during the whole duration of this gameboard.
Jessica witnessed Eva death.

No. 129

>>128
Jessica's eyes were fully functioning during the whole duration of this gameboard.

I can't.

No. 130

>>129
So you can't? Basically then, can we deduce than Jessica could have not killed Eva?
Someone else told Jessica than Shannon killed Eva, so she believes it.
There was someone else in the dinner room when Eva died aside from Jessica Shannon and Eva, that mysterious person killed her, but Shannon got framed.

No. 131

>>130
No one told Jessica that Shannon killed Eva.
There was no one else in the dinning room when Eva died.

No. 133

Alright let's try this (Piece) tactic.
Please move in time, to one second before Kyrie and the others enter to the dinner room, where Jessica and Eva corpse are.
And then repeat this.
In this moment, Eva is already dead. And her corpse is inside of the dinner room

No. 135

If you can repeat it then it's time to attack again!
That's not Eva corpse! Someone is framing Shannon, and that someone is also deceiving Jessica!

No. 136

>>135
Hmmm... I'll say this.

Eva's corpse is not in the dinning room at the time when Kyrie & CO found Jessica.

No. 137

Solved. The scene where Kyrie & CO find Hideyoshi and Eva's corpses is partly fantasy. The corpses are never found by anyone. We are free to move on at any point.

Though you may try to figure out how Hideyoshi and Eva actually died.

Eva and Hideyoshi's corpses have no wounds anywhere on their bodies.

Clues exist in the story that hint to how they actually died.

Eva and Hideyoshi were not crushed to death.

No. 138

Definition check: When you said, Eva and Hideyoshi's corpses have no wounds anywhere on their bodies. Were you returning to external, internal or both types of wounds?

Blue truths:

Eva and Hideyoshi died from the same method, weapon etc.

Eva and Hideyoshi died from an induced, sudden, excessive amount of shock/fear/exhilaration.

Eva and Hideyoshi died from an excessive consumption of drugs.

Eva and Hideyoshi drank or were forced to drink acid, melting their insides.

Eva and Hideyoshi swallowed small bombs, strong enough to damage their organs sufficiently enough to kill yet leaving their external appearances intact.

Eva and Hideyoshi died from disembowelment aka evisceration. This could be accomplished by stuffing a vacuum cleaner up their rectums, sucking out their internal organs/intestines in the process.

Eva and Hideyoshi were locked up in rooms with low oxygen content, killing them without any external damage.

Acupuncture was used to kill them. From what little knowledge I have, I believe it could be used to heal or kill in the hands of an expert.

Eva and Hideyoshi sustained internal injuries, probably due to hand-to-hand combat.

Lastly, they were murdered utilizing a trick from a certain Visual Novel.

For this context, let's use Eva as an example. A large clyster syringe filled with urine was stuffed up her rectum while various "fluids" were forced down her throat as well. While raping her, Culprit X proceeded to conduct multiple enemas on Eva. Afterwards, the remaining alive Ushiromiya men proceeded to relieve and entertain themselves with this pathetic excuse of a cum-dump. Chances are Hideyoshi got killed since he refused to join in. Eventually, Eva either died from the shock or from her exploded cells caused by osmosis.

No. 140

>>139
>Eva and Hideyoshi have no internal injuries.

>Eva and Hideyoshi sustained internal injuries, probably due to hand-to-hand combat.

Logic error?

No. 141

>>140
And that is why you shouldn't copy and paste the blue from the post you are denying... You might not notice that you failed to delete part of it....

No. 142

Eva and Hideyoshi did die from the same method, weapon etc.

Eva and Hideyoshi did not die from an excessive use of drugs.

Eva and Hideyoshi did not drink to drink acid.

Eva and Hideyoshi did not swallow small bombs.

Eva and Hideyoshi did not die from evisceration.

Eva and Hideyoshi did not die from lack of air.

Acupuncture was not used.

Eva and Hideyoshi have no internal injuries.

No. 143

Stalemate etc.

No. 144

>>143
Understood. I apologize for my stupidity, and failness as a GM.

Next mystery: How Shannon escaped from the bathroom.

No. 145

>>140
>>141
>>143
All that red tells us is that the two sustained internal injuries at some point; it could have been in the past, right?

No. 146

Blue border is the window.
Brown is the door.

From Left to right; top to bottom.
Cabinet.
Shower.
Tub.
Sink.
Toilet.

No. 147

Okay Rosa, please repeat this in red.
Shannon was trapped inside of the bathroom, Erika trapped her.
The bathroom have only one window and only one door.
During the time in which Shannon was trapped in the bathroom, and the time Shannon meet everyone else in the parlor, there was never other way to get inside or outside of the bathroom aside from the only window and the only door.

No. 148

... you really can't!?
Shannon was never trapped in the bathroom at all.
The room has either an extra window or an extra door.
During the time in which Shannon inside of the bathroom and the time Shannon meet the others at the parlor there was created another way to exit.

No. 149

This is correct.
Shannon was never trapped in the bathroom at all. This was not a mystery the GM created, only a problem caused by Erika's actions. IT was never meant to be something mystery worthy. And Mach didn't want the fact that Shannon lied to come up, since that would make her suspicious.

Next Mystery: The Boiler Room. Aka 4th and 5th twilights.

No. 150

Alright Rosa-tan, please clarify this for me.
When Kyrie and Kinzo corpse were found, who were inside of the boiler room in that room? Please name them all.

No. 151

>>150
Maria, Rosa, Jessica, Battler, Rudolf and that's it.

No. 152

>>151
Maria, Rosa, Jessica, Battler, Rudolf and that's it.

No. 153

Please repeat this in red, Rosa-dono.
The only entrances or exits than the boiler room have ever had are the front door and the back door.
If you can't repeat that please explain why, and if there are other entraces or exits.
When Rosa, Rudolf and the others found Kyrie and Kinzo corpse in the boiler for the first time the only free entrance or free exit in that instant was the back door.
The only way to open the back door in the boiler room is using "the boiler room key" or breaking the door.
The only way to open the front door in the boiler room is using "the boiler room key" or breaking the door.
In this gameboard, if either the back door or the front door of the boiler room were to break, it would be imposible to repair them.

No. 154

>>153
The only entrances or exits that have ever existed in the boiler room are the front door and the back door.

The only way to open either the front or the back door while it is locked is to break it down.

In this gameboard, if either the back door or the front door of the boiler room were to be broken, it would be impossible to repair it.

No. 156

If you wish, please repeat this in red.
When either the front door or the back door of the boiler room are locked, the only way to unlock them is using a master key or the boiler key.
Also it would be nice if you could please list in red who had the possesion of each master key a second before Rudolf and the others find Kyrie corpse.

No. 157

>>156
When either the front door or the back door of the boiler room are locked, the only way to unlock the lock is using a master key or the boiler key.

Rudolf.
Jessica.
Shannon.
Nanjo.

No. 158

The culprit had Kinzo room key probably from the time Genji died, he used it to take Kinzo corpse from his room. Then he took the boiler room key and left Kinzo and Kyrie corpses there, blocked the front door from inside and blocked the back door before leaving.

No. 159

>>158
This doesn't explain how the culprit left. If they blocked both doors how did they leave?

The culprit did not take Kinzo's corpse from his room.

No. 160

Then it's even more simple!
If Kinzo corpse was not inside of his room then the keys inside the boiler room mean nothing!
Also, the culprit could have done something to make the door become blocked as soon as he closed it! Glue? some strange mechanism that nobody noticed?

No. 161

>>160
It may be simple, but think about the overall puzzle.

Glue was not used.

No. 162

>>161
Uwa ... looking at a mystery as a complete self is usually something very hard to me. Returning back in ten minutes.

No. 163

I am still puzzled by the story hidden in your gameboard Rosa, I gotta say you have done a great work concealing it.
Even if the whydunnit has to be revealed yet, I have no means to explain it. So I will continue with the howdunnit.
Please try to repel this.
Something was stuck between the door and the wall around it.
Something was done to one of the doors from the outside, incapacitating it from being normally open.

No. 164

>>163
Something? That's really vague. Give an example, right now it is basically a devil's proof. And I'm not allowing that.

No. 165

I'm still lost for the door trick, and the "list all the posible materials" it's not my style, so I'll try this for now.
The culprit used the kanji to frame Rosa!
Rosa was the only one who knew that kanji from the start, so to avoid problems, she went and destroyed the page in which that kanji was!

No. 166

>>165
Nothing was stuck between the door or the wall around it.

Nothing was done to one of the doors from the outside, that would prevent it from openning.

The culprit did not use kanji to frame Rosa.

This is correct.

No. 167

The doors were severed from the inside using the cleaver or another tool from the boiler room!
It's posible to severe one door while it's being open and then closing it!
The severed doors got stuck on the wall so it become imposible to open them with a key!

No. 168

>>167
No door was cut into pieces.

No. 169

Ok, that was a smaaall misunderstanding from my part.
What I meant to say is than
The doors were damaged from the inside using the cleaver or another tool from the boiler room!
It's posible to damage one door while it's being open and then closing it!
The damaged doors got stuck on the wall so it become imposible to open them with a key!

No. 170

>>169
That is correct one of the doors was damaged. Resulting in it being no longer able to be used. However it was damaged from the outside, not the inside.

No. 171

Let's See next is Nanjo's death and Erika's dissapearence.

No. 172

What to explain here? It's obviously than magic did it.

The door to Nanjo room was not closed, ergo there's no mystery! Nanjo doctor was probably tricked by the culprit and murdered when he left his guard down. This could mean that erika accident was planned by the culprit of the past twilight!

Also, if you don't mind a blue from Eva mystery:
Eva was drowned, the hint was the giant boat.

No. 173

>>172
When Erika and Nanjo entered the room, Nanjo closed and locked the door behind. The next time the door was unlocked was when Battler and CO found Nanjo's corpse.

Eva and Hideyoshi were not drowned.

No. 174

>>173
Ohh~ that sound interesting. Let's see if you can repeat this.
When you refeer to "the room" you are talking about Nanjo's room.
Nanjo's room has had only one door during this gameboard.
During the time Nanjo and Erika entered Nanjo's room and the time Battler and CO found Nanjo corpse, no window in Nanjo's room have been opened nor closed.

No. 175

>>174
When I refer to “that room” I am talking about Nanjo's room.

Nanjo's room has only 1 door that leads outside the room. The other two doors lead into the bathroom, and the closet.

During the time Nanjo and Erika entered Nanjo's room, and the time Battler and CO found Nanjo's corpse, no window in Nanjo's room was opened nor closed.

No. 176

>>175
Nanjo have more than one room!
It's posible to leave the Nanjo's room from either the bathroom or the closet!
It's posible to open Nanjo door even when it's locked!

No. 179

When I say Nanjo's room I mean. The bedroom, the bathroom, and the closet. No other rooms exist except these in Nanjo's room.

It is not possible to leave the room from Nanjo's closet. It is only possible to leave the room from the bathroom using the window.

While the door is locked, it loses its ability for someone to use it.

No. 180

>When Erika and Nanjo entered the room, Nanjo closed and locked the door behind.
Please repeat it in red
In this red 'The door dehind' refeers to Nanjo's room main door, the one who leads to the passway.

No. 181

In this red 'The door behind' refers to Nanjo room's main door, the one that leads to the hallway.

No. 182

>>181
Are you mocking me~?
When Erika and Nanjo entered Nanjo's room, they didn't closed the main door.

No. 183

>>182
No I'm not.

When Erika and Nanjo entered Nanjo's room. They closed the main door. The one that leads into the hallway.

No. 184

Alright, another classic.
The Nanjo's murderer was still inside of Nanjo room when Battler and CO found "Nanjo's corpse"!
Nanjo was not dead when Battler and CO found "Nanjo's corpse".
Erika murdered Nanjo

No. 185

>>184
Nanjo died within seconds.

Neither of those explain how Erika vanished from the room.

No. 186

>>185
So Nanjo was still not completely death?
Okay, please go back in time, one second before the Battler and CO entered Nanjo's room.
Please list everyone who is inside Nanjo's room, whenever his life status is.

No. 187

>>186
Okay, please go back in time, one second before the Battler and CO entered Nanjo's room.

Please list everyone who is inside Nanjo's room, whenever his life status is.

At this time. Nanjo is inside the room, he is dead. No living beings exist inside the room, and no more than 1 dead body exists.

No. 188

Getting stuck so easily? anon you suck!
The culprit and erika escaped from the bathroom window. It was open at the start and it was left open.
During some point in time, another way of exit exited aside from the main door and the bathroom window!

No. 189

>>188
During this game the window in the bathroom was never open.

During this game the only exists and entrances that have existed in Nanjo's room are the main one, that leads into the hallway, and the windows.

No. 190

Congratz to Cake who figured out the answer.

The door was removed from the wall. And the culprit left the room this way. The red refering to how the door was locked and so on is pointless, since the door actually isn't blocking anything.

Next mystery: Krauss and Natsuhi's bodies vanishing.

No. 191

Oh derp, I totally forgot to check the remove trick on the door.
Anyways, did this point finally went to Beato?

No. 192

>>191
Yep, Beato got a point finally.

No. 193

The dissapearing bodies huh?
The guest room was alone for a long while, and it have plenty entraces, such as windows doors and probably others~
Also, who says the bodies are not still in the guesthose?

No. 194

What about Battler's account of the bodies when they entered the guesthouse again?

No. 195

Maria triggered some kind of bow when she got near of the rose, the arrow pierced her.
Bunnies came from nowhere and bitted Maria to death.
Maria was poisoned.

No. 196

>>195
Maria did not trigger a bow.

Bunnies did not attack Maria.

No. 197

Maria was poisoned from before than going to the Rose garden.
Some kind of mechanism or physical trap was stinged with poison, and it hurt Maria when she was near of her Rose.

No. 198

>>197
Maria was not poisoned before going to the rose garden.

Since Genji wants me to use these.

Knox's 4. No hitherto undiscovered poisons may be used, nor any appliance which will need a long scientific explanation at the end.

What is this mechanism or trap?

No. 199

Hoh, knox makes things more fun.

No. 200

Rosa perfume was used to poison Maria

No. 201

>>200
Rosa's perfume was not used to kill Maria.

No. 222

Alright, the most obvious one.
Erika was killed by either Rosa or Jessica! They were both suspicious of her.

No. 223

>>222
Knox's 8th. It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented.

Are there any clues that would lead to this assumption?

No. 224

Oh come on, this was not even subtle!
First than nothing, Erika dissapeared in the meta world, so I will for now assume she was murdered.
Now, Jessica is suspicious. She believed she witnessed Shannon killing Eva when her corpse was in Natsuhi room, also fantasy everywhere.
Then Jessica-like thing appeared and attacked battler and maria inside the delusions.
Futhermore Jessica was really angry with Erika and she had exclaimed she would kill the murdered.

On the other side, Rosa apparently have problems controlling herself, her name appeared inside of the boiler room and she pretended to don't understand that kaiji. Lastly, she found the gold (apparently), and talks with imaginary people (maybe).

No. 225

>>224
Neither Jessica nor Rosa murdered Erika.

No. 226

When the clock struck midnight the following pieces were still alive.

Rudolf
Rosa
Jessica
George
Shannon
Erika

No. 227

You see, this game was quite fun, but it would not be respetable from my part if this gameboard didn't ended some day.
I was a bit stuck with the mastermind from the start, but after a pleasant night of thinking I got unto something, better than keeping in silence I think.

Anyways, this is the theory.
Krauss is the mastermind. The massacre started because Rosa found the gold. Because of the economics problems, they had already in search of it, but without avail.
Then stupid Rosa found the precious gold. And she escaped from an early death. There was no other way but too wipe everyone on this island.
Krauss, being the master of the mansion could easily lure all the servants and kill them without problem, Kanon become an accomplice with the promise of being admited to the family.
The first twilight was quite easy, the key and doors trick was already explained. How Eva and Hideyoshi died? I still have no idea, but they probably killed Kanon in self defense. Kyrie and Kinzo murder is no problem as well. Being the master of the mansion removing a door would be not a problem, neither using a trap to kill Maria.
Anyways, that's my first call Rosa! Otherwise Natsuhi could be the mastermind or an accomplice at least, using basically the same hints, even more Eva was find dead inside of her room!

No. 228

>>227
............
Neither Krauss nor Natsuhi are the mastermind.

No. 229

Not them? Geez that's troublesome you see.
I will first than nothing ask for the definition of mastermind.

No. 230

>>229
The mastermind is the one plots to kill everyone or almost everyone, and is the person who does most if not all the killings.

No. 231

If the money was not the problem then the problem was love!
The trigger point was the adults discovery of their child relationship!
If Natsuhi/Krauss is not good then there's other chance.
Either Jessica or George is the culprit!
And I gotta say, I am looking at you, George!

No. 232

>>231
The trigger point of the story was not the adults finding out about the cousins relationships.

Jessica is not the mastermind.
George is not the mastermind.

George is the detective.

No. 233

As my last try for tonigh please repeat this in red.
Battler died in the 7th or in the 8th twilight. He was then beheaded, and his corpse was found in the harbor, near to Maria's corpse

No. 234

>>233
>in the harbor

Battler died at the 8th twilight, his corpse was beheaded, and found next to Maria's corpse in the arbor.

No. 235

I think I got the culprit this time Rosa.
But I want no more mistakes, so I'm gonna reread the ep to confirm my theory.

No. 237

Another request.
The mastermind was still alive at the end of the 8th twilight

No. 238

I'm getting in despair you see, but this will my last stupid guess, if this is not correct I don't know what is right or wrong anymore!
You have already denied in red other people, but I want to summarize it on a single post.
Jessica is the mastermind.
George is the mastermind.
Krauss is the mastermind.
Natsuhi is the mastermind.
Erika is the mastermind. (derp)
Shannon is not the mastermind. (double derp)
Well, we already know that, but please deny it again, just to be sure.
Anyways, my new theory is this.
Ushiromiya Battler is the mastermind!
He could not handle to see Shannon being in love with George! Even Mach said it!
So he teamed out with Jessica, and it was mentioned Jessica knew something that could put Natsuhi in problems!
How was this hinted, well Battler doesn't have an alibi for several of the twilights, he doesn't have an objective point of view, when he was making the table of alibis he didn't included himself and more importantly, Mach hint.
Mach hint was about that game where the people bullying the demon are actually the demons, and he say this to Battler.

No. 239

Jessica is not the mastermind.
George is not the mastermind.
Krauss is not the mastermind.
Natsuhi is not the mastermind.
Erika is not the mastermind.
Shannon is not the mastermind.

Battler is not the mastermind.

The mastermind's motive has nothing to do with Shannon being in love with George.

Jessica is not an accomplice to the mastermind.

No. 240

I may need some help, I can't find any real hints for any other mastermind.

No. 241

Kinzo is the mastermind! He didn't directly murder but he ordered it!

No. 242

>>241
Kinzo is not the mastermind.

No. 243

Wordplay exist in the mastermind mistery!
Someone who used to be called Erika, Jessica, Kanon, Kinzo, Battler, Natsuhi or Krauss is the mastermind!

No. 244

>>243

No. 245

>>243
Fine then...

No one who ever held the name; Jessica, George, Battler, Natsuhi, Krauss, Shannon, Kinzo, or Erika is the mastermind.

No. 246

Kinzo really thinked than following the epitaph would allow him to meet Beato again, so he challenged his descendants to follow it to adquire the headship!
Kinzo death was faked!

No. 247

>>246
Denied.

Kinzo was dead by the 4th twilight.

No. 248

Listing down the possible mastermind:
Rosa
Kyrie
Rudolf
Eva (?)
Hideyoshi(His body was not found)

No. 249

Dont mind me I am just watching at the spectacle.

No. 250

Maria was killed with poison laced on the Roses.

Hinted via fantasy scene.

No. 251

>>250
I think I tried something similar.
Something like Maria was poisoned with a Rose

No. 252

>>250
>>251
You must be refering to.
Maria's candy was not poisoned.
Maria was not killed by poison gas.
Rosa's perfume was not used to kill Maria.


Nonetheless, Maria's rose was not laced with poison, nor was any other rose.