No. 2

The culprit was dressed like Jessica.

No. 3

>>2
What does that have to do with the scene in the rose garden with Maria, Rosa, and Beatrice?

No. 4

>>3
Jessica dressed up as Beatrice would be dressed like Jessica dressed up as Beatrice!

No. 5

>>4
You already know who was dressed as Beatrice. It said so in the story!

No. 6

>>5
Well I forgot.

No. 7

>>6
Or you just want to keep saying Dyke is responsible.

No. 8

>>7
She is responsible!

No. 9

A witch did it with magic.

No. 10

>>8
What kind of blue is that. Jessica has nothing to do with the scene in the rose garden.

>>9
No magic was involved.

No. 11

>>10
>Magic denied in red
>Magic scene
Well, apparently we already solved the first mystery~

No. 13

Oho~ I thought you felt unseasy with cussing Rosa~ But Battler is quite badmouthed~

No. 14

>>13
I am uneasy with cussing, I don't like it. However I try to keep the characters in character. I try to have the characters write their lines for themselves, I try not to let my own personal opinion and views cloud a character's motions and dialouge.

No. 15

>>14
Oh, so it was actually that one. That scene was the one that amazed me the most.

No. 16

While I've denied magic, by accident. Explain how this scene is possible for humans.

No. 17

My bad Rosa, I don't remember that scene too much. Aside from Shannon dressed as beato what else is to explain?

No. 18

>>17
At Beatrice (Shannon's) command a flock of golden butterflies appeared in front of Rosa and Maria and both of them clearly saw them go straight to Maria's rose, ignoring all the other roses.

Since I denied magic, I'll say they were Ghost Butterflies. And Shannon made a pact with the spirit world so she could control them. (Ghosts are paranormal not magic)

No. 19

>>18
Rosa is crazy, or maybe delusional.
If not then maybe the "ghosts" were just a well made effect that tricked Maria, and her mother just didn't wanted to end with her fantasy

No. 20

>>19
Rosa and Maria had objective POVs during this scene.

Rosa can not explain what happened, and believes it to actually have been magic.

No. 21

Shannon aka Beatrice is a herald of the Ogdru Jahad. The 'butterflies' were cosmic bats with a taste for roses covered with loli saliva.

No. 22

>>20
Having an objetive point of view doesn't mean they cannot be tricked!
Hell, maybe Rosa was somehow drugged, or maybe she is not very intelligent.

No. 23

>>21
No cosmic bats exist in this story.

>>22
Of course a person with an objective view can be tricked. Having an objective point of view just means they can't see fantasy.

Rosa was not drugged. Rosa may not be that smart, but that doesn't explain this by human means. They have an objective POV while they can be tricked into thinking it was magic or so on, they had to have seen something.

No. 24

>>23
Shannon had a complete year to think in some cheap special effect, using light effects, or maybe she used real butterflies; they went right to Maria's rose because Shannon added pollen or something that attracted them

No. 25

>>24
Oh? They were also swarmmed around Rosa and landed on her in mass numbers, and how did the vanish from the garden?

No. 26

>>25
Don't make me say it.
Trained butterflies
Anyways, Shannon could have sprayed something into Rosa without her to notice. They could be attracked to sugar, like Maria's Candy.
About the vanish, They just dissapeared from Rosa view, it was really dark and it was raining. Heck, maybe Shannon made them hide in the bottom of the garden.

No. 27

>>26
You more or less have it.
Butterflies can be trained to only land a certain colors. These butterflies were trained to land on the color of Maria's dying rose. Rosa was also wearing that same color, so they landed on her. They were attracted to Rosa's new sweet smelling perfume that she was using. And Shannon used the same sweet smell on the rose to make them go right to it. While Rosa was reading the dropped letter Shannon sprayed more sweet perfume to make the butterflies follow her out of sight.

Next Mystery: The First Twilight.

No. 28

>>27
Alright, if I remember correctly the letter in the parlor was not found until the end, so until you deny it this is the truth!
Somebody from the mansion was the culprit, he/she or they locked the doors using the resting master key than they later put on the third letter
Also, if you wanna make me believe in magic/ghosts/make my bite my navel, it would be nice if you confirmed in red a list of all the keys involved in this closed room, and their positions.

No. 29

>>28
At 6AM each key was in the following location.
Shannon's key was with her.
Kumasawa's was in the bag inside the guestroom.
Gohda's and Genji's were inside the bag in the kitchen.
Kanon's was inside the letter in the guesthouse.

No. 30

A game without knox nor dine leave too many loopholes!
It's either posible to lock or to open a door without a masterkey. Examples:
Secret passways.
Not so secret passways.
Aditional keys.
And everyone favorite, method X!

No. 31

>>30
There are no secret passages in the kitchen, guestroom, lounge, or chapel.

There are only 5 master keys, and 1 of each for said room.

Method X is forbidden, explain a possible method.

No. 32

>>31
And here we go again.
Using fishing rod or a similar trick.
Locking to door from inside while the door is open.
Removing the door, or maybe changing it.
Damaging the door and then repairing it.
Also, what about the individual key for each room? Was each key on the same place where they were by the group at 6am? One of these was not.

No. 33

>>32
Nothing could slip under any of the doors, or between the windows.
The doors in all of these rooms must be completely closed for it to be able to lock.
The door from any room was never damaged.
The door from any room was never removed.

No. 34

>>32
Whoops forgot one.

At six AM the only key to the kitchen was inside the bag in the kitchen.
At six AM the only key to the guesthouse was on the table in the guesthouse lounge.
At six AM the only key to the guestroom was inside said guestroom inside the bag.
At six AM the only key to the chapel was on the table in the guesthouse lounge.

No. 35

Shannon key was used by someone else to perform the crimes. It was returned to her before 6AM to make her suspicious.

No. 36

>>35
Shannon never lost possession of her key during this game.

No. 37

>>36
Then define "lost possesion"
If shannon directly gave the key to someone she wouldn't lose possesion of her key.

No. 38

>>37
Shannon held onto her key the whole time during this game. She never didn't have it.

No. 39

Can you state in red that the keys found in the bags and in the letter were the only keys able to open those doors? And that those ones were in fact the real keys?

No. 41

>>39
By the time it became 6AM, only either a master key or said key opened said room.

The keys mentioned refer to the real actual key.

No. 43

Alright, lets continue with this!
At least one of the doors of this closed room were locked by Shannon! She could have been asked to do it without her being involved!
And if that doesn't works ...
One of the doors was locked from inside!

No. 44

>>43
Shannon was never asked to lock one of the doors until after 6AM.

How do you explain it? Suicide is forbidden.

No. 45

>>44
Oh come on, if magical ghost are real it should not be so hard to deny, right? Shannon keys were involved in this twilight!

No. 46

>>45
Shannon's keys were not involved in this twilight.

No. 47

>>46
You replied to it without any problem huh ... Oh wait a second, wasn't I suposed to prove Shannon innocent? Don't mess with my mind!
Anyways, I will now ask for a simple diagram for the rooms in which the corpses were found. Including of course any way to enter or exit in those rooms. (doors, windows, holes, non magical holes)

No. 53

Uwaa ... they are quite elaborated.
Well, considering how detailed you were I believe you should be able to repeat than:
All the windows were in perfect shape.
No window was removed during this gameboard.
All the windows were closed from inside before 6AM.
The windows cannot be opened from the outside if they are locked.

No. 54

>>53
All windows are in pefect shape.
No window was removed.
All windows were closed from the inside at 6AM
A window can not be open from the outside if it is locked.

No. 55

>>54
Is posible to enter or exit a room from other place aside the windows and doors you showed me in those diagrams!
Not all the doors were properly locked!
Something could slip over or around the rear of a door.
Something small could pass through the border of a window.

No. 56

>>55
The only way for a human to leave any of those rooms is from a door or a window.
All the doors were probably locked.
Nothing physical can go over or around the doors.
Nothing physical can pass through the border of the windows.

No. 57

>>56
>All the doors were probably locked.
Oh come on Rosa.

No. 58

>>57
That was an accident. I meant to say. All the doors were properly locked.

No. 59

It's possible that the letter in the guesthouse was in Shannon's possession. This qualifies Kanon's key to be Shannon's at the same time.

No. 60

>>59
You're getting things a little mixed up, Kanon's master key will always be his no matter who holds it. It will still stay his. But this is correct.

The culprit still has Kanon's master key with them inside the envelope which they at 6AM have with them, and since they are in the guesthouse it matches up with the location I gave.

Next Mystery: How the corpses vanished.

No. 61

>>60
On a similar note, Jessica is Kanon.

No. 62

>>61
Jessica is not Kanon.

No. 63

It was a cold morning, so the corpses decided to walk to their respective beds.

No. 64

>>63
I don't understand at all.

No. 65

At 6AM, Genji, Gohda, and Kumasawa were dead.

No. 66

What about this.
At least one of the corpses of the first twilight than the family members found was fake. That person or an accomplice moved the corpses using the corpses using one of the master keys.

No. 67

>>66
Remember while Shannon wasn't in the kitchen it was locked. And the guestroom was locked when the everyone went to check on Kumasawa's corpse.

And Gohda's, Kumsawa's and Genji's master key were found in the bags.

No. 68

>>67
Is easy to create this ilusion if someone was hidden inside of any of the rooms. Anyways, they didn't found the last letter until all the corpses were gone!

No. 69

>>68
Ahh I see.
While Shannon was in the kitchen no one was hiding in it.
The letter was placed in the lounge before the corpses vanished.

No. 70

>>69
Please elaborate:
"in it"
"the corpses"
and "the letter"

No. 71

>>70
'In it' refers to the kitchen. Meaning while Shannon was in the kitchen no other living person was in the kitchen.
'The corpses' refers to Genji's, Gohda's and Kumasawa's corpses.
'The letter' refers to the letter Erika finds with Kanon's master key in it.

No. 72

>>71
Might need to reread that part, I sincerily don't remember all the scene~

No. 73

Kanon's key is in lounge.
It never left the bag until after the corpses vanished. (it: kitchen key)
The kitchen key was first taken out in the scene when the corpses are discovered to be missing.
When Battler and Shannon arrived at the kitchen door, both doors were locked.
Pantry door can't lock, and in the map I made for Anon, there are only 2 other doors.
When Battler and Shannon arrived at the kitchen door to find the corpses missing for the first time, all entrances to the kitchen were locked.
All windows are enterances and exits.
If a human corpse-mover Y exists, then Y would have been the one to lock the exit(s) Y used to move the corpses.
Why do you have a toad there?


The culprit (Jessica) had a key that could lock the kitchen door(s) after moving corpses somewhere else. She used this key to construct the closed room.
the culprit (Jessica) had a key that could lock the guestroom door(s) after moving corpses somewhere else. She used this key to construct the closed room.

No. 74

>>73
I can't deny that.

The culprit used a lock picking trick involving a hammer, and another key.

No. 75

>>74
Next Mystery: How Jessica left the guesthouse.

No. 76

Jessica left through a window in sunroom. They can't open, and have no locks. These windows were ignored by the person who boarded up the house, since they didn't consider anyone to think about them as exits.
Jessica took off the window and climbed out, and then re-glued the window back in place. Making it no longer an exit option.

No. 77

>>76
All windows are enterances and exits.

No. 78

>>77
All windows are not ALWAYS entrances and exits

No. 79

>>77
At the time this red was made 'the window' Jessica used wasn't an exit.

No. 80

>>78
For the red to be true, all windows must have, at some point, been exits. This includes your sunroom window.

No. 81

This is what is bothering me, ne.
The culprit used a lock picking trick involving a hammer, and another key.
How do that trick works? Well I might have an idea, but it implies you need another key.
And this one:
By the time it became 6AM, only either a master key or said key opened said room.

No. 82

>>81
You get any key that is sort of like the lock you are trying to unlock, and as you are turning it, you quickly smack it with the hammer if done correctly the lock with unlock.

>>81
No error here. IT was around 10AM when Body mover Y unlocked the door and moved the bodies.

No. 83

>>80
I'm afraid i'm not seeing the problem. Jessica used the window as an exit when she left the sunroom.

No. 84

>>82
I'm sorry Rosa, but the way that red is structured doesn't only refer to 6 am, but to the time after it. Or at least that's what I believe it implies. Can we ask it to Rin?

No. 85

>>83
Indeed. Next.

All windows that could serve as exits, were boarded up.

Since the sunroom window did serve as an exit, it goes without saying that it could serve as an exit, meaning that the sunroom window was, indeed, boarded up. However,

If a window is still boarded up a human can not leave through that window.

Jessica escaped through a window that was boarded up. Explain this, preferably without Jessica becoming a monkey.

No. 86

>>84
Magil says:
That expression would refer to before 6AM, by my understanding.

No. 87

>>86
Oh damn it, I was translating it incorrectly then, my bad.

No. 88

>>85
All of that can be summed up by clarifying. At the time the windows were boarded up that window wasn't an 'exit'. So it wasn't boarded up."

No. 89

>>87
Its ok; Rin said I should have been phrased it better.

No. 90

>>85
Rosa already went over this. The window was not always capable of serving as an exit.

No. 91

>>88
The wording says "could serve" and not "did serve" as an exit. In other words, as long as the sunroom window had the potential to serve as an exit, it should have been boarded up.

No. 94

>>91
In the person's mind it couldn't have served as an exit. (The person who boarded up the windows that is)

But fine I'll call it a logic error.

No. 95

>>91
Linguistical entrapment, your specialty. At the time though, the window did not have the potential to serve as an exit.

No. 96

>>94
We can't just call it a logic error. It's not that easy, if you were to admit it you automatically lose, the gameboard dies, eternal pain etc.

No. 97

>>94
>>95
Whether red based on the culprit's point of view is acceptable or not can be put on hold, for now... Does this rule out Jessica?

Next, then. While a window is closed a human can not leave through it. However, while the sunroom window stayed closed for the duration of the game, Jessica managed to escape through it. How would this be explained? Resolved

No. 98

>>97
The window became a window inside a window, for a very short time.

No. 99

>>97
"This one is easier"? If in doing this it's your intention to condescendingly play me for a fool, I am not amused. If you don't honestly believe this is a logic error, I think you've proven your point thoroughly enough. Please remember, this is Rosa's first time as GM.

No. 100

I would prefer to continue with the game. You said you would leave this for now Bern.

No. 101

Unless there are any further objections then, let it be known that this is not a logic error.

No. 102

>>101
I will humbly accept it. It should be understood that shotgun is a deathly weapon.

No. 103

>>101
No objections.

No. 105

I guess the next mystery is the Letter now, since Genji wants it to be done so bad.

The letter from Beatrice recieved on day 1

No. 106

You mean, the letter Shannon gave to Maria? What's the problem with it.
Person X ordered Shannon to give it to Maria

No. 108

>>106
Umm.. That isn't the problem. I should have explained it more.

The envelope was sealed, and had the seal of the head's ring on it. Yet the head's ring was inside the envelope.