At first I was going to haggle for some additional effect on the new cavalier feat (something rated black or lower so's I feel like I'm coming out on top). Then I actually saw the feat.

I can't haggle in good conscience anymore. That is quite a bit of healing, like some kind of proactive shielding aegis that automatically revives downed allies.

>>9195
wut

>items of value

>>9200
>"You never needed a crystal skull; you had a skull inside you all along."

>>9203
Everything went better than expected.

You guys need to add the extra +1 AC because of Torinn's Devout Protector Expertise feat.

Also,
>that feel when 22 AC with armor +2 and 1 shield AC.

>>9206
AC bonus off of primary stat

>>9207
Not fair, you guys get a lot of stuff from spamming a single stat.

>>9206
heaviest heavy armor
also, if you want to boost wis and str, you need to start wearing scale mail, which costs feats and hurts mobility

>>9209
Actually, do your radiance thing also mark the enemies?
If so, I could reach a max of "22 AC + 5 all defenses" because of attack penalties with harmony blade, predator's hide and a mark on the enemy. It gets even better with Blade Dancer stuff.

Sureiya emo! Update tonight. Sorry about lack of update last night, I got into act 4 of Diablo 3 and just couldn't stop playing~

>>9213
He still don't get over it ok.

someone else post ok, sureiya sad right now

I spy with my little eye a new Shaman power in the Dungeon Survival Handbook.

>>9221
Annnnd warlocks just got a save ends dominate for con/cha builds at level 9.

It's fine, Faerun is a fairly high-magic setting compared to the default, so it's not out of place that they have more powerful magical contraptions~

rp time
stop busy ok

sorry, can't think straight very well right now, I will post once I feel better

If anyone still watches charop now and then, lordduskblade is back and apparently updating his guides again~

Sure is weird how everybody else seems to be milling about the ship doing nothing~

So, um... what the heck is going on? Should I just move on or what?

>>9242
I´m sorry ne, this week was brutal.
About the rest ... I wonder where riri and hide are.

Just when I was going to post something! Well, my own fault.
Not much else to do now, so my schedule will be much more easy-going now.
Hide, Riri, please report ne.

Ugh. Looking at DnDNext, here are my initial thoughts:

1. They took what worked in 4E and made it worse. (We still have healing surges, but we have a lot less of them and we have to roll for them).
2. They took several flawed aspects of third edition (>implying there were any that were not flawed) and brought them back. Monsters are boring again, so are martial characters, and spell casters are playing a whole different game (recipe for disaster).
3. Some of the stuff they removed worked. Why are we back to relying more on saving throws? If anything, I would've liked to go even further in the other direction and make you have LESS rolls when it's not your turn. I liked it when the attacker was doing pretty much all the rolling, not the defender. Now we're back to what it was in 3rd edition: arbitrary for no good reason.

Suffice it to say I have no interest in running in or playing in any DnDNext games at the moment.

>>9256
And none of this is part of those optional rules I heard about? This is all mandatory rules stuff?

>>9257
I haven't seen anything in here about "optional rules."

>>9258
I saw it in the rule of three articles. Maybe I misinterpreted it?

>>9259
Well, there are no optional rules included in the package that I see.

It looks to me like they're just trying to lure third edition fans back with this, but I don't know why ANYONE would want monsters and martial classes to be that boring again.

DMing in 4E is fun for me because I can make fun and interesting mechanics for combat encounters. A lot of that comes through the monsters and through creative use of the rules. In this edition, none of that would come from monsters because almost every single monster they've included in this package is boring. I'd have to wing it with terrain and "outside the rules" stuff a lot more to even make encounters a little interesting (you know, like in 3rd edition).

>>9260
in all fairness, at least Neverwinter Nights games are fun. Though that required a lot of tweaking so that it would pause each time a character's turn came up.

Sneak attack/crit immunity can also go eat a bag of dicks. As with any other mechanic that makes a character class ineffective like that. You may as well just tell the player they need to roll a new character if you're gonna neuter them.

tl;dr at least the vidya games had redeeming qualities

>And why the heck does Magic Missile have a "special" line? Since nothing is standardized, everything is "special."

This cracks me up~ Exactly my thoughts on the "new, fluffy" (and dumb) descriptions for spells in DnDNext~

>>9256
So we're agreed. Disappointing playtest material. Wizards rolling a CON Save on being hit or else they are disrupted... please go away, Wizards.

>>9263
The worst part is that it's rather ambiguous. The part about being "disrupted" is only mentioned on the character sheet, and it's unclear. "If you take damage, you become disrupted on your next turn." Is that any time you take damage? What about if you get damaged during your own turn? Why is this only mentioned on the character sheet and not anywhere in the "How to Play" rules? I searched the entire document for "disrupt" but found nothing. I get that this is a play-test, but this is sloppy.

Also, the mechanic itself strikes me as anti-fun.

>>9264
The fluff isn't very sensible either. "After you cast a spell it vanishes from your mind until you can prepare spells again".

So... wizards are hackjobs who can't even remember their spells? What?

"Quick! Cast feather fall!"
"I would, but I've forgotten how to cast it."
"... you're twenty-five and you cast it JUST FIVE MINUTES AGO!"
"... I know, I just can't remember how I did it."

In any case the opposing rolls are annoying. As a wizard you have to auto-roll your CON save to avoid getting disrupted, and being disrupted means you can only use Cantrips. Why would you DO this? I get nerfing wizards so they're not I AM GOD, but making it so that a DM with a minion who does 1 HP damage could potentially kill a wizard by itself without fear of reprisal is...

>>9265

Obviously they forget spells because of all that crippling brain damage from constant disruption.

>>9265
Then what does that say about sorcerers?

>>9265
Well, the part about a spell vanishing from your mind until you can prepare spells again is a holdover from the magic system of third edition and before. I never particularly liked it, but it was meant to be a limiting factor that you could only cast X spells per day, and you had to prepare every single one of them.

Still, the number of spells per day a wizard can cast at low levels seems cripplingly low. Furthermore, they don't seem powerful enough to me to justify placing such high limitations on them. Clerics aren't subject to disruption apparently, and are tougher and get better armor. Are wizard spells so much more powerful than cleric spells that they deserve the disruption mechanic? I don't think so at a glance.

Working on the map, so update may not be as quick as the last few, but I promise to have it up in a day or so. In the meantime, feel free to continue conversing~

>not wanting to give out real names

What, are you worried they're internet stalkers???

>>9287
Hahahahaha, I was thinking the same thing.

>>9288
>Torinn
>Plan
Pick one

Google image searching for "octopus overlords" yields some weird results.

>>9291
I forsee a purple octopus who loves cracking jokes in our immediate future.

Also, that speak ever language hat is on my wishlist, obviously.

aw yiss, dip spiich

>>9287
>>9288
Maybe he thought they had Death Notes.

Figure we'd get to the meat of this in the most difficult part of the week for me. Don't worry, though, I'll have something up in a bit, and we'll probably begin an encounter sometime over the weekend~

I propose a solution to our problem that involves unleashing a gratuitous amount of murder on the people before us.

They seem like nice people, let's stay here for a couple weeks.

They are clearly not summoning a goddamn kraken to kill us.

Aren't mindflayers like... Time travelers from way in the future or something?

>calling them a cult to their faces

>>9314
>smooth
You're calling them out on lack of "smoothness" after that~?

>>9315
So wait, they actually were willing to continue talking and were not about to jump us?

>>9314
>>9315
The worst part is the diplomacy check being so low.

>Sariel
>socially retarded
Sounds about right.

>>9314
I'd point out the irony but Rin beat me to it~

Unless I am mistaken, you are provoking three opportunity attacks with that movement--and you might not like the mind flayer's melee basic attack~

>>9322
Actually, nevermind that, I'm nixing Torinn's move. You already used your move to mount and stuff, and when I said I was going to let you position yourself, I didn't mean I was going to let you just jump into the middle of enemy forces. I'd rather not have to resolve any opportunity attacks here.

>>9323
Sorry, I thought I had a full set of actions left over.

>>9324
>You're allowed to draw weapons and reposition yourself but no other actions
>I guess that means I have a full set of actions :D

Did Myn never level to 7? His HP is the same.

Oh, and it might be a good idea to familiarize yourself with the rules for aquatic combat for this dungeon. Just FYI~

George never updated his sheet for some reason.

>>9333

Oh right I forgot to do that.

>>9336
Ultros mid boss ok.

I need to get some better initiative mods, always being at the bottom is becoming annoying.

>>9337
I don't see a lvl 7 encounter power. Or those power swaps for zones.

>>9342
anon at the start was useful ok, two minions down

Also, Rin, did you account for Combat Leader's initiative bonus?

>>9346
Yeah, she did.

Also, what the hell did you do astaroth?

>>9348
Wasn't sure how being half on-land half on-water would work so I had Rutger run along the side of the pier.

I thought I updated my Folka sheet, but the only thing I forgot to add is the Cloak of Resistance +2 that I purchased or upgraded or whatevers if I remember correctly. So my NAD stats til I am able to double check, confirm, and update, are +1 to what the sheet says.

>>9350
Huh, can't you edit your sheet anymore?

Sorry about the delay, I was super tired after work today so I didn't trust myself to handle all the monster turns well. Also I don't understand how Torinn is being at R/S-13/14 and attacking the eladrin, so I'm gonna put him at RS/12-13 instead. I think that must be where he meant to go.

Anyways, here's the latest development!

Should I Powerful Warning Sureiya?

>>9356
Also if Spiteful Glamour hits, George gets +8 damage from my Resourceful Presence. Otherwise, +6 temp HP.

>>9357
Also nvm the warning Sureiya out of range lol

>>9357
That's fine, but as far as I can tell, he aimed it at a minion. So the damage bonus doesn't matter much~

>>9360
>spends an action point to kill a minion
>lili no orzu

Meant 7 HP, not 8 HP.

Would pushing a drown break his grab?

>>9364
It breaks the grab if you push it out of reach of the grabbing attack, so if you push the drown such that its 2 squares or further away from its target, it would break the grab.

>>9365
So currently thinking of teleporting out of my own grab and using Beguiling Strands to break Sureiya's grab. Unless anyone has other ideas...

>>9366
I don't mind you editing it since you haven't actually used those powers, as long as you meant to do it. I trust you guys.

Did I use Healing Radiance properly?

>>9368
I don't think so. It's only supposed to work if an enemy you damaged with righteous radiance attacks. The drown you damaged with righteous radiance didn't attack anyone.

>>9369
Shoot. Ignore that post, then. Pretend I used Shield of Devotion on Sureiya instead.

I think I said somewhere I was going to but never got around to doing it, but searching the threads I can't find it anywhere.

>>9371
Did you try Google?

Wait what drowns aren't minions.

>>9373
It would be silly to fight a single elite and a lot of minions ne.

>>9374
Are you sure that guy's an elite?

>>9375
Oh, it only says level 7 controller.

I was gonna ask Rin some questions, but Rin was away forever, then was offline. I'll just post my question here and then continue my turn tomorrow.

Use Spinning Leopard Maneuver, shift 6 squares (1 north, 1 west, 3 south, (taking the argent rain 5 damage only once on my entire turn),1 southwest. I assume the only targets I am able to attack are Drown 3 on the first shift, cult zealot on the second, Drown 2 on the final and not Drown 3 on the first shift, drown 3 (again) and zealot on the second, zealot again (if it's alive), then drown on the final shift.
(Probably going to slide away the last drown I attack away from Sariel with flurry of blows.)

If my turn was before myn's, I would have done this to a lot more targets, but ehh.

>>9377
You can only attack a given target once with spinning leopard maneuver. Otherwise you could just shift a circle around a target and attack it 6 times.

Sureiya's the only party member who's really capable of burst damage. Which is why I was against him rerolling.

>>9379
Myn also helps with that, but lolgeorgeuseapandencounterpoweronaminion

>>9380
Eh, not really. Warlocks aren't particularly great at it either without a very careful selection of powers. Rangers get attacks that hit the same target more than once, minor action attacks, and out-of-turn attacks. Warlocks have a few out-of-turn attacks and dailies that grant minor action damage, and there's maybe one monk power that gives an immediate interrupt attack to being attacked, but that's about it. It's not just about DPR, but about how much you can unload on a moment's notice. And unless you're investing in the charger package, those are pretty much the only ways to get respectable novas.

At least, according to charop.

>>9380
In this case, George using Argent Rain against minions is actually a good call, since the auto-damage basically ensures a kill. Using an action point to Spiteful Glamor a minion, on the other hand...~

>>9382

Of course this was under the incorrect assumption that the Drown was also a minion and would die with Argent Rain..

>>9381
Rangers are just OP ok.
>>9383
Hahaha, it's okay. If anything I was just trying to say Myn is not a bad character.

>>9384
See also rogues, barbarians, slayers, and scouts.

>>9385
I wouldn't change Sureiya for any of these classes, but that's just me.

I forgot to put this in post, but +1 to ac and reflex from shifting cause boots.

also, as for that other discussion, warlocks etc can be fine and it should be about fun, not what charop considers good and i am sorry about harping on somepeople about stuff.

also, mostly updated and fixed sheet

So:

Move closer to Sureiya
Beguiling Strands to break his grab, maybe kill the last minion
Inspiring Word on Sureiya as well?

Unless there are other requests I will be doing this. George can fend for himself. '3'

sounds like a plan

>dem rolls
Well I can't say I expected something different.

flurry of blows damage should be 4 total btw. Also, sorry for dem rolls, Riri. You just have the worst luck from the dice gods. I got a chuckle about George fending for himself though and couldn't agree more. Moving away from the party just makes us less able to help him if there were more lurkers or something nearby.

I also got a good laugh out of the description of my attack for that turn, punting the minion into the water, breaking teeth, etc.

>>9396
heh, that daily worked pretty well

>>9396
I'm trying to improve the descriptions for attacks and such to be a little less dry, particularly when I have plenty of time to do it.

>>9396

Generally moving towards the enemies rather than away is a bad strategy for a ranged attacker. I also have to move three squares per turn for Hidden Sniper, and I'd prefer not to take opportunity attacks for that.

Astaroth, my Resourceful Presence grants a +8 bonus to damage, not a +7. Half level, 7 / 2 = 3.5. +int mod, Int is 5, 8.5 != 7.

>>9405
I only added +3 for some reason.

>>9406
Resourceful Presence is godtier OK. Use an AP, do Striker-level damage.

>>9407
+8? Oh god I'm using it with my new encounter power.

>>9408
Well, under ideal conditions you'd let me use my Adaptive Stratagem Utility first. It's once per encounter +5 bonus to damage and +3 bonus to saving throws... and Adaptive counts for everything.

So. +15 for standard+minor attack, then +13 for your AP attack, and if that attacks twice it's +26, for a total of +41 damage off of buffs assuming all attacks hit and you use a double-attack with AP. You can get another +5 if you downgrade Move to Minor for Sohei Flair + Off-hand Strike combi, resulting in +46 damage off of my buffs alone, ne.

I haven't got the feat that buffs my Resourceful Presence to +10 damage bonus yet. (it adds a flat +2 to both bonuses) Things'd be crazy damage-wise.

>>9409
Also, Destructive Surprise lets me give someone a Free Action to shift 2 and do 3[W] + Str/Dex damage, although I might retrain it to Lead By Example; LBE lets two people use a melee basic attack, ne, which could be stronger in some situations?

>>9410
Two people? I wonder, but the shift is usually pretty sweet.
>>9409
That sounds pretty sexy, a shame I already used my minor action attacks. However I can still twin strike + Lashing Leaves.

>>9411
I like my build since I can grant stuff a lot. For encounters, I have, and these are all on hitting AND damaging an enemy:

+3 to attack rolls until end of next turn
automatically succeed on any one saving throw
roll twice for any one attack until end of next turn, use either result

The first two slow, the last one knocks prone as additional effect if I hit enemies, but they apply their effects without me effecting a hit. (although you guys need to)

I also can grant attacks in a pinch, ne.

Ya well I can shoot stuff with magic.

Fun fact: if you get dazed after taking an action (such as crawling away from impending doom) you can't take any further actions

>>9413
I do everything while shooting stuff with magic okay.

>>9415

You with your bells and whistles.

No worries, I can just charge him instead-
>slowed
oh, right

If the drowns try to grab me I'll use disruptive ok.

If the drowns kill George I want to take a Free Action to drop prone and then a Move action to roll around and then a minor action to choke in laughter, ne.

>>9420

>>9420

Hidoi sugiru.

>>9420
"Here lies Myn. He moved out of the party's range and died. Enough said."

>>9423
Well he does have darkspiral aura's interrupt. So if he can bear to part with it, he's immune to at least one minion attack.

>all the times you can use Powerful Warning
>no allies in range
Well poop.

>>9424

Actually my aura is zero at the moment. On the other hand, these minions hit like little girls, and I have a close blast that targets will in an emergency.

>>9428
Pretty sure it starts off at 1 even at the start of the day.

>>9429
Oh, it did change it. Nevermind.

>Myn uses life siphon when Torinn is hit, regaining 4 hit points. However, this provokes an opportunity attack from the nearby zealot, which hits for 6 damage.

>>9432

>>9433
wasted shift, ne

>>9432
Why the hell does Life Siphon have a Ranged 10 anyway? It doesn't really effect anything beside yourself!

>>9435
The life siphoned has to come from somewhere, right?

>>9435
Well, it's for the person who gets damaged to be within 10~

>>9436
I guess they'd assume warlocks wouldn't be near melee~!

>>9437
Except for hexblades and eldritch strike users. Though I doubt those were a factor when Arcane Power was published.

Why haven't the cbuilder people fixed the elementalist yet?

>>9438
Because Eldritch Blast is ranged and doesn't require them to be in harm's range (plus can be used as an RBA), or at least that's what I think.

>>9440
Eldritch Strike is a MBA, though if it didn't have the slide it'd just be a plain MBA using Charisma~

>>9441
>>9440
Which is why it's probably the most frequently stolen power through dilettante behind Twin Strike. A slide on an attack that can be used on an MBA is really, really strong in the right hands.

Anyway, since warlocks are secondary controllers, I just think it's somewhat disappointing that eldritch blast is just a magic version of a superior crossbow basic attack against reflex, something that a superior crossbow can do later on anyway. It didn't do anything special in 3.5 either, but on the other hand, you could add stuff on to it like status effects and multi-targeting and such. It's just so plain in 4E that there's nothing particularly "eldritch" about it unless you go out of your way to invest in what little support it has. Even Magic Missile can slide if you use a specific wand with it, but off the top of my head, all the support Eldritch Blast gets is some keyword changes and maybe more damage. Combining that with Prime Shot, but without the nice damage bonuses rangers can tack onto it, and use hunter's quarry's restrictions on a strictly ranged class, only able to curse the nearest enemy instead of, say, the one in the back that they can hit due to being ranged, it feels sloppy.

Though warlocks are at least better than the sum of their parts.

>>9443
>I SEE EVERYTHING
But can he see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

>>9444
Booo! Get better material!

>>9442

Eldritch Blast happens to be the best power in this game.

>>9446
Wroooooooong.

>>9447

I don't see a darkspiral rod in there anywhere.

>>9448
I don't see one on Eldritch Blast either, and yet...

>>9449

It only works for warlock powers, and it's the only warlock RBA, right.

>>9450
Fair enough. Except Hexblades get Eldritch Bolt, which is Eldritch Blast with the force keyword.

>>9451
That's not necessarily strictly superior, if you were to somehow encounter an enemy with force resistance~

>>9453
I'm searching the compendium and not finding anything. Meanwhile, force attacks do full damage to insubstantial creatures, so I'd say the pros outweigh the cons.

I'd like to use Fearsome Command, since if Astaroth hits one of its targets he automatically saves against daze at the end of his turn. Want to follow up with a Heal on Torinn which depletes my curing resources, but nothing to do.

Unless someone has other requests I will post this set of moves.

Other possible moves:
Adapative Stratagem on Torinn to give a +5 to damage and +3 to saving throws (minor action), Fettering Glare to kill minion, Reorient the Axis to move George closer to the fight, Sureiya to the fight, etc.

>>9455
Actually I just used my amulet's daily power and saved with that, so no worries about dazing~

New idea:

Teleport adjacent the drown
Commander's Strike to let someone attack with a +5 bonus to damage
Minor Action heal Torinn

>>9457
Sounds like a plan.

>>9458
Little worried about the burst 2 attack that'd plunge us into the water, I kinda wanted to have my teleport handy for that.

Tempted to just Fettering Glare the minion.

>>9459
That's an option too, I guess.

A critical roll on check seems like it would be a hit regardless, or at least give a general idea.

>>9463
Its stealth check was higher.

>>9465
I get that, but a critical hit should still do something. Just like how a critical hit on an attack, even if it's defenses are higher, is still a hit.

>>9466
But then you'd have to allow critical misses.

>>9467
I'm okay with that for skill checks. If you critical miss during a skill check anyways, you're probably not likely to pass. It's already a critical miss for actual combat.

>>9465
I guess that just means there's no use in any of us actually trying to roll perception to try and beat the Drown's check, since only Sureiya can possibly get higher than 30 by 2.

>>9469
I guess the drown rolled pretty high?

A few things: as anon surmised, this is not a set DC to beat, the drown makes a stealth check when it hides, and as a lurker with Stealth trained and high Dex (20), it has a pretty high modifier. So yes, it rolled very very well. The others haven't rolled this high and would've been easier to spot, but this one in particular did get rather lucky.

The problem with including a "critical" to skill checks or the like is that there is actually a special rule when you roll a natural 20 on an attack roll but the resultant value isn't high enough to hit the monster--the attack hits but does not critical. There's not really a way to apply this to most skill checks, as in this case, you either know where the monster is or you don't. I mean, I could give you a general clue of where it is--somewhere several squares below surface level west of where Folka was before he moved--but it doesn't do a lot to prepare for its action.

On the other hand, it's of course possible to ready actions for when the drown surfaces and the like to try and catch it off-guard if you wish. And as a lurker its "combo" takes at least one turn of set-up and one turn of execution to pull off, so I don't see it being a huge threat this encounter given how you've blown through most of the baddies already.

>>9459
Also, I ironically and accidentally made the Tsunami attack less dangerous when I widened the piers from 3 tiles to 4 tiles wide, since it can't actually plunge you into the water anymore. You can still be pulled in by the drown's drag to depths power, but only if it can use a standard action while it's grabbing you.

I did it for aesthetic reasons and then forgot that the 3-tile wide piers had a purpose~ Oh well, starting off with an easy encounter can be okay.

I don't think I'll ever get to enjoy DnD here.

>>9474
It'll get better when you find some Dice of Auspicious Fortune or a Stone of Spirit or somesuch thing.

I roll all right for non-combat stuff, it's just whenever combat happens the dice go "lol ^_^", making Sariel incompetent at fighting period.

>>9478
Taking suggestions for turning it into a character feature. How will Sariel justify her failure to pull her weight?

>>9479
Eyes clouded by prejudices throws off her aim?

>>9474
Wow, I haven't seen a streak of rolls this bad since Tycho from Penny-Arcade in the second DnD podcast.

The capstone of which consisted of him rolling a natural 1 on his daily, being granted a reroll by his ally Will Wheaton, and then promptly rolling a second natural 1. There was much screaming and banging on the table.

>It seems to quiver a bit, as if it feels a hint of fear from the display and its own inability to affect him.
Oh hell yes.

>>9482
>I've only see one other person have rolls as shitty as you
You sure know how to make someone feel better.

>>9484
It's not like dice rolling has anything to do with skill, it's hardly your fault! I'm not trying to rub your face in it or anything. I just hope things go better for you, I'd actually really rather you had fun in the game. I just can't, in good faith, manipulate the dice.

>>9485
It'd be more bearable if I wasn't a special case of extreme suckage with the rolls. It's just difficult to justify a character being somewhat strong if there's no evidence in battle to back it up.

Like an RPG hero who's very strong in rumours but is just mediocre when he joins your party.

>>9479

You could buy glasses.

>>9486
And I know the dice can't be manipulated without showing favouritism, but either way I don't think I'll continue if I keep having such crap luck in combat. I like the out of combat stuff, but it's seriously not fun for me if I can't have my moments of feeling good about my combat performance.

There've been moments I've hit, but they were always just minor things (excepting the one time Dim Vort hit) and it looks like that it continues. Tower, Sankis AND Water Temple would really just break my interest.

... that's just terrible

Maybe we'll find something in this dungeon that can help?

>>9490
I already gave her armor that allows her a daily reroll. I'm trying not to show a lot of favoritism here, I try to balance out item selection based on who hasn't gotten stuff before...

>>9490
The number of items that can remedy the rolls being really awful are limited. Getting a second shot at rolling a 1 isn't exactly all that useful either. D:

Can't immediate interrupt (IE disruptive strike) on your own turn btw, anon

>>9494
I know, I was talking about the drown turn

>>9491
>>9493

Just give her a bag full of potions of clarity or something.

Well... I guess there were some good things in that book after all.

Astaroth, did you factor in +8 for Resourceful?

>>9502
>check sheets
>you have the highest +damage bonus
Wow.

>>9502
Since it's his tiger, I believe +4 to damage without your bonus is correct~ The tiger doesn't get enchancement bonus to damage and such.

>>9506
I keep saying I want to quit what with these rolls, but the infinite optimist in me thinks that it can only get better from here on out.

>>9507
My first roll was a nat 1, ne.

>>9507

See even I can get 1's!

>>9511
Some sort of arcane interference?

>>9511
It's because you're away from the party, ne

You could have attacked the minion who was out in the open and defenseless you know '3'

>>9516
he was trying to kill the drown with 1 hp, ne

>>9517
Minion also has 1 HP.

>mind flayer will continue to stay dazed on my turn
this pleases sureiya

>>9521
Mind Flayer is already dead.

Well, that's one way to negate the attack other than boosting defenses~

>>9525
>>9522
... I didn't expect this happening

someone should also attack the drow in the water

omg voyager i'm strategy etc

>>9531
It doesn't seem as if you missed.

>>9532
Oh right, and it should be 20 damage instead of 15 because riri buffed me.

>>9532
If Templar's fist is a burst then it doesn't take penalties for concealment. I figure being underwater is worth cover, but that's still a hit.

Yokatta na, Lili-tan

If only Torinn had moved full five down on Reorient he coulda killed Drown and George + Tou-tan could've ended the minion without letting the enemy take a turn
o well
can't be helped ne

>>9539
The drown's in a bad situation anyway. If it attacks anybody else I can absorb the hit, and Sureiya still has disruptive strike to put it down.

What the hell how high is that thing's movement speed, 10 swim or something?!

>>9545

Maybe it's running!

>>9545
8 swim, runs at speed +2.

ure mom was an unpleasant creature ne

also stop spending surges when there's no battle standard out

Daibujou daibujou.

By the way, I was curious, as I don't know much about bards, but my impression was that cunning were more spellcastery, the other two I don't know too much about. (Or rather, the general impression I got is one is more involved in melee, another in ranged) Anyways, I was curious as how to build item wise a level 2 bard (for implemenets and whatnots), I think I have the general idea for spells, feats, and stats down for cunning bards, the others I just wasn't really sure about. (Oh, and the bard is a gnome, so chainmail isn't really an option imo, and the best sword that he could wield as an implement is a shortsword or something I think, as otherwise it'd be considered two handed.) The ability scores (obviously subject to change), are 8 str, 13 con, 11 dex, 16 int (+2 from racial), 10 wis, 16 cha (+2 again), the +2's not included already into the final stats obviously.

I guess along with tips to playing one. I gave him a light shield too, and have him wearing hide armor.

I guess it's not letting me delete any of those two posts for some reason either, so my bad.

>>9557
Cunning are the ones most likely to use implements, yes. Valorous use swords (mostly) and Prescient use bows (mostly). Also, chainmail is usually bad, unless you're getting Tactician's armor, but that shouldn't come up until later (and you want ringmail for that, not chainmail).

Anyway, items at level 2 is kind of hard to say, since you're not likely to have a whole lot of items at that point anyhoo. If you still need an item list, I suggest looking here: http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/21106285/

>>9559
I didn't mean like magical items, just items in general. As so far, I suggested to get the wand implement when it dawned on me, dunno if shortsword should be kept, and was just mainly wondering if my stat build for it was okay. I know he was interested in some of the other builds, but I had no idea how to do it.

>>9561
I think the stats are fine.

>>9557
High INT is good, as bard riders tend to be powerful. As for implement, as a gnome I might suggest a wand, but another option is to take a dagger. Since a dagger doubles as a ranged weapon, it opens up some rather potent ranged weapon only powers that might not otherwise be options.

It really depends on whether you'd rather go with the easier-to-use wand with more limited power selection, or spend a feat for the dagger but gain access to a wider selection of potent powers. As for armor, I wouldn't go with chainmail as it places speed and skill penalties on you for inferior AC to hide or leather. I don't know what kind of items to suggest other than magical items, though. Mind the rituals, as bards get some special ones.

Ignoring what Sureiya said, Sariel should take two short rests to heal Myn and Rutger with a single surge.

So do we have time or not? If we do I can just Inspiring Word once.

>>9567
we have ne, go ahead and rest as much as you need

Everyone spent the surges they're gonna spend? Should I total them up? Well, I probably will tonight anyway, just making sure.

At the suggestion of some, I won't be tracking/awarding EXP all the time now. It'll be more of a "you level up at the end of the dungeon" thing. This might let me get a more natural number of encounters per dungeon (including non-combat ones). Though I will obviously still be using EXP to budget encounters appropriately (for five people rather than six, that may be one of the reasons the encounter appeared easier).

>>9569
Sariel is using her healing word on Myn and on herself. I don't remember about Rutger but I think Torinn has to spend a healing surge to heal him.

>>9569
Thank god,

and Sariel will Inspire herself and Myn.

>>9570
I guess I do have to spend a surge in its place.

How come no one's posting? I know that was a bit of a curveball, but I'm trying to make the dungeon a bit more than "encounter to encounter."

>>9579
Because I can't read elf.

Reading over peoples' shoulders is rude.

Pfft, I'm not being serious, but it's silly how some of our lower int party members are trying to solve it! (Torinn and Sureiya, rather. Folka's not even gonna bother.)

>>9585
Wisdom > Int. Deal with it.

>>9585
torinn sees that stuff in stories a lot so it's justified

>implying it's a riddle

>>9588
It's the most likely explanation.

>>9589

It's likely in a RPG sense, not in an in-character sense, right.

>>9590
But it doesnt even sound like some "cult text", it's a 4 lines text written in common.

>>9594
Actually, it was in elven.

>>9595
Oh right.

>>9596
>there appears to be no way to reach the ceiling or the hole where the remaining stairs would be, which apparently leads to another such chamber.
Spider-Rutger disagrees.

>Class Acts : Seeker
Well, it's about time.

I'm gonna draw a map for the next section, but I'll be pretty busy tomorrow and I'm too tired tonight. So apologies for the delay!

Um, guys. Should I attempt to open the door? Or should we ignore it?

>>9614
Open it. You know you want to.

Forgot my roll, locks doesn't know bout my natural 20 + 13.
http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3595046/

And perception check now (30) http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3595626/

Hey guys, are you there?

>>9630
Eye'm here.

>>9630

evry1 ded

Sariel, Torinn; save us ok

>>9640
Done. No thanks are necessary, but they are appreciated nonetheless~

>We don't have tentacles
Best diplomacy check I have seen on a while

Sariel doesn't need to reveal anything yet ne. Unless Torain's check isn't enough to convince them not to perforate us.

Considering full unveiling. Unless anyone has diplomatic solutions handy I think Sariel being of the Court of Winter's Night will get us an easier time getting these guys to assist.

>>9649
Fine by me.

>>9649
ne

>high rolls out of combat
Determined to make me hate combat, ne.

Sarinne of the Court of Winter's Night, please look at me as Sariel the nameless eladrin Wizard okay, I'm just cast magic so hail me for that instead of my affiliationnnnnnnnn! But clearly these Coral people are tight-lipped and we need more forces.

Myn and Torinn doesn't have names, huh.

>>9654
we're more important yayy

>I want to talk to them alone
>OK
>...
>Are you going to leave yet?

Let's not delay this anymore ne, can we assume everyone left?

:words:

Now I have my opportunity, Astaroooooooooth!

>>9663
What opportunity?

>>9664
To do words, clearly. All the walls heretofore have been yours! Or mostly. Words-kun, ne.

>>9665
I tend to have my speeches planned out beforehand. Or some gist of what I want to do anyway.

Thanks for the campaign so far, Rin-tan. :V I'm happy you're putting all this effort for us.

>>9669
This. I know I've said it before, but thank you for putting in the time and effort.

>>9669
>>9670
... I agree

>>9660
sure

and agreed with what riri said

Aww, thanks, guys~ Don't worry, it's been quite fun for me too, even if I know it drags at points and sometimes can get messy!

That lady looks familiar.

>>9684
He's had those questions since he got there.

I was going to try something better, but lol nat 3

gj torinn

Sorry, I had to do it.

Where strength roll to lift Sariel up, I'm pretty sure you're exceeding your weight limit in trying to carry her and all her gear.

>>9707
>failed roll
>"Wow, you're really heavy."

>>9708
>Heavy Load : Double the normal load number (that is, Strength x 20) to find a creature's heavy load, the maximum weight it can lift off the ground. While a creature is carrying more than its normal load, it is slowed. Carrying such a load requires both hands.
>Normal Load = 190 lbs
>Heavy Load = 380 lbs.
>standard load = 102 lbs. not counting items of unknown weight
>sariel's listed weight : 121 lbs
>equipment weight added : 31 lbs
>sariel's total weight : 152 lbs
>total weight holding Sariel : 254 lbs.

strength check:
http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3609769/ (19)

Can we move on now? Please?

>>9709
Geez, sorry, wanted to finish up the Civ game, but I'll move you guys on now~

>that face with a 21
goddammit

Sorry if the map looks a little rough, I did my best to try to go for a less "square block" type of map but it's hard to do otherwise~

Anyways, arcana would be appropriate if you want to divine the symbols or check for information on the doll-golems and their status, separate checks for those two ideas please~

Let's attack them at the same time ok.

>>9721
*Sid

What do you think this is, Final Fantasy~?

>>9722
sid and cid are the same person ok

where is everyone else? ...

Apparently the new seeker article was really, really good.

We could use it if there's ever a new parlor.

Heeeey, what's going on in here~? Some people haven't posted in quite a while.

Dimming the effectiveness of the sunrod? That's really really murky.

But every RPG worth talking about always has really nice stuff to be found off the beaten path, so unless I'm convinced that there's nothing down there of note - not even some really interesting fluff - I'm gonna go check it out. After tsking precautions of course. It's not like the rest of the party is going anywhere until the puzzle is solved (clearly based on the riddle).

Though I'd actually rather have Sureiya do it since he has better speed and perception, but I don't even know how that conversation might go.

Let's return and ask the elves about this room.

>>9753
Dungeons and Dragons is not necessarily the same thing as a video game RPG. Wandering off the beaten path often just ends up in areas the DM hasn't even mapped out~

Not to say you can't, but I haven't often planned to put treasure in areas that you could easily miss. That seems unfair to me.

>>9755
Well, I'm kinda sick of waiting around, I was hoping Lili would post (I know she's here often because of all the posts on /teaparty/), but unless there's some objection I'll send you guys back that way I guess.

>>9756
I know, but it's fun to explore the world created by the DM.

Let's go back, ne.

>>9777
Agreed.

Alright, I totally forgot of the way the gizmos were placed. I believe the answer is 3642 but I'm not sure where should we input each number.

>>9781
Damn, he already did it. So any ideas?

Let's hope we got the numbers right.

>The rug seems simple and not trapped at all.
That's some hell of a description.

sorry for missing quite a bit, with a job now, i pretty much get home, relax, play some games with friends, go to bed, repeat, then I was sick for a few days as well, I'll try to keep tabs whenever I can

Really? No one's going to get the treasure? Well, all right, just remember that if you follow the captain's instructions and seal off the vaults later~

>>9806
Riris is the only one who can get it without pain or something, doesn't she?

>>9807
Well, yes, though you could also try to dispel them~ And the fact that no one seems to be even talking about taking the treasure is mysterious to me~

>>9808
But that's time that could be spent turning squid faces into novelty masks and freeing the eladrin from their noodly appendaged oppressors.

Torinn full of righteous indignation, no time to grab shinies.

Riris, could you please take the loot?

>small room
Keep in mind that a person doesn't actually fill their entire space, and a square is about 5 feet across~

>>9812
I really don't mind it in D&D. It won't stop Sureiya from walking a few meters, though.

Riri, I think you need to give the Ki Focus to Folka.

Sorry, couldn't think of any better dialogue at that juncture~

inb4 traps and readied/immediate actions

>doesn't wait for results of knowledge checks
>eye'm despair

If we stay at one side we can hypothetically render at least one archer ineffective '3'

>>9845
Longbows have a really long range. 20 normal range, 40 long range. So I modeled the archers based on those stats~

>>9847

Long range is good enough!

>Don't stand near of the water.
>Immediately move adyacent to water.