By the way, if you guys want to open the door to the room to the east, I'll need a post saying you're doing it. It's filled with dragons, after all.

>more dragons
Myn goes first

>>4763
Heads for the head god! Necks for the neck throne!

>>4764

I'll beat all of them with my dagger and level up three times ne.

>>4768
Right, you go in first, then.

You know, there's one easy way to determine what could be in that other room (or ahead, for that matter) that I haven't heard suggested yet.

>>4771
>Ask cultist
>Use scrying ritual

What do we want the rabble to do anyway?

hey you're the one who called him idk

>>4771
Perception?

>>4779
or sending book imp or spiri-no only 10 square range.. Hmm.. Stealth from anon? (Real risky though).. Sending the minion ahead possibly? (Not that i'd approve)

>>4780
They have a 20 square range, not 10. Also, my idea for finding out what was on the other side of the door involved "ask the cult rabble."

>>4782

No that's a totally unreliable and dangerous plan ne.

the bakas to the east, search the room etc.

sureiya should bring books etc

So CB has updated with the new feats. Are they legal, do they invalidate current houserule feats etc.

>>4795
IF the bard feat doesn't work with implement etc, I think that might be a bug on the coders side of the cb.

Text says "with the weapon" so it might be correct. Weapon, not Implement.

wat u mean useless. cant scroll be used almost immediately. we can use for our surge issue

of course you realize it just as i post

>>4823
no i was trollan

Currently, surges left:
Torinn 3
Sureiya 0
Michael 3
Sariel 4
Bernkastel 5
Myn 5

Redistributed according to my arbitrary prioritization:
Torinn 5
Sureiya 4
Michael 3
Sariel 3
Bernkastel 2
Myn 2
Surge tax 1

>>4825
Do we have that ritual?

>>4827
we found the ritual and some scrolls scrolls can be used instantly etc>>4825
sounds good etc

>>4825
I have no problem with this.

>Elven Chain Shirt - Level 9/19/29 Uncommon
>Wonderous Item
>Property: You gain +1/+2/+3 item bonus to AC while wearing this shirt with light or no armor.

Eye'm upstairs no surges for you people.

>>4835
Hence the "drag" part.

hmm, i think there might be an error with my cbuilder when trying to update stuff today. Didn't help that on the first launch (cbloader launched before merging was finished), it crashed etc.

Maybe I should have grabbed Shadow's Apathy instead of Chilling Smite. Weakening's a pretty strong effect, and it's reliable, too.

i think its the feats section which was giving me errors, gonna try deleting that and see if it fixes it.

Yay, it work. Now, I'm still confused on what is best for equipping monks with etc. I know daggers and sometimes ki focus are good, but i still confuse.

here rin etc

====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
level 6
Human, Monk
Monastic Tradition: Centered Breath
Human Power Selection: Bonus At-Will Power
Background: Auspicious Birth, Missing Master (Auspicious Birth Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 11, Dex 21, Int 8, Wis 15, Cha 10.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 11, Dex 18, Int 8, Wis 14, Cha 10.


AC: 22 Fort: 17 Reflex: 21 Will: 19
HP: 58 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 14

TRAINED SKILLS
Insight +10, Acrobatics +13, Athletics +8, Stealth +13, Perception +10

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +2, Bluff +3, Diplomacy +3, Dungeoneering +5, Endurance +3, Heal +5, History +2, Intimidate +3, Nature +5, Religion +2, Streetwise +3, Thievery +8

FEATS
Human: Unarmored Agility
Level 1: Deadly Draw
Level 2: Superior Implement Training (Accurate dagger)
Level 4: Improved Defenses
Level 6: Superior Will

POWERS
Bonus At-Will Power: Crane's Wings
Monk at-will 1: Steel Wind
Monk at-will 1: Five Storms
Monk encounter 1: Drunken Monkey
Monk daily 1: Masterful Spiral
Monk utility 2: Swift Flight
Monk encounter 3: Eternal Mountain
Monk daily 5: Spinning Leopard Maneuver
Monk utility 6: Centered Defense

ITEMS
Monk Unarmed Strike
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>>4844
If you don't have access to Starblade Flurry, I'd probably go the staff route instead of a dagger. You can get an accurate staff just as easily as an accurate dagger, and Staff of Ruin is an excellent weapon. Plus you have access to Staff Training and Hafted Defense, and the awesome Staff Expertise.

Starblade Flurry is pretty much the only reason a dagger is at all popular for a monk.

>>4845
I see. What about armor and such

>>4846
Flowform armor is generally the best cloth armor for any given situation. Kinda makes Steadfast Amulet redundant, though, so I'd say personal choice on neck item.

Depending on your starting level, though, you might not have a wide selection and may need to make do with what you have available.

So, wrist razors are considered simple melee, but also arm slot items? How exactly would a monk go about getting one etc or considering it arm slot and adding ki weapon, rhythm weapon, or shielding enchant would be fine

>>4852
Hmm, monks have a pretty pathetic attack bonus though they do mostly target reflex, fort and sometimes will.

>>4856
pffthaha

why is everyone else a fearless paragon of courage do they have nothing they're afraid of that's not fair

>>4858
my character was planned terribly and i didnt put much thought and had trouble figuring out how to develop it etc

>>4859
and it was my first one too

>>4860
add some fears now ok

like dragons

>>4861
2 l8

fey stepping etc, ofc sariel knows no fear she's lina inverse

here rin, rate etc. Done with the estimated level 6 items etc for that level. some of the gold from unchosen level 6 I think it was put towards armor/staff and whatever gold I had on me if that was allowed.

====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
level 6
Human, Monk
Monastic Tradition: Centered Breath
Human Power Selection: Bonus At-Will Power
Background: Auspicious Birth, Missing Master (Auspicious Birth Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 11, Dex 21, Int 8, Wis 15, Cha 10.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 11, Dex 18, Int 8, Wis 14, Cha 10.


AC: 24 Fort: 16 Reflex: 21 Will: 19
HP: 58 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 14

TRAINED SKILLS
Insight +10, Acrobatics +13, Athletics +8, Stealth +13, Perception +10

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +2, Bluff +3, Diplomacy +3, Dungeoneering +5, Endurance +3, Heal +5, History +2, Intimidate +3, Nature +5, Religion +2, Streetwise +3, Thievery +8

FEATS
Human: Unarmored Agility
Level 1: Hafted Defense
Level 2: Superior Implement Training (Accurate staff)
Level 4: Deadly Draw
Feat User Choice: Staff Expertise
Level 6: Superior Will

POWERS
Bonus At-Will Power: Crane's Wings
Monk at-will 1: Five Storms
Monk at-will 1: Steel Wind
Monk encounter 1: Drunken Monkey
Monk daily 1: Masterful Spiral
Monk utility 2: Swift Flight
Monk encounter 3: Eternal Mountain
Monk daily 5: Spinning Leopard Maneuver
Monk utility 6: Centered Defense

ITEMS
Monk Unarmed Strike, Flowform Cloth Armor (Basic Clothing) +1, Accurate staff of Ruin +1, Adventurer's Kit, Climber's Kit, Everburning Torch, Fine Clothing, Footpads, Sunrod (10), Travel Papers, Rushing Cleats (heroic tier), Bracers of Brachiation (heroic tier), Blurred Strike Ki Focus +1
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>>4862
>>4863
hax

Full Discipline definition is confusing. At least the encounter part.

Just a heads-up, there's gonna be a bit of a delay today while I work out the rest of the dungeon crawl in advance so that future updates will come more smoothly. I only have a rough outline right now, and it's been a bit of a bumpy ride on my end.

>>4871
Rate
>>4864
etc

>>4864
Even nerfed as it is, I think Melee Training is essential for a monk that doesn't favor Strength. Aside from that, it seems solid enough.

Bernkastel, if I might suggest a feat to strongly consider in the future so these particular challenges are less scary?

>>4875
Rin would just raise the DCs, right.

>>4876
Don't be silly, I follow the guidelines for skill DCs based on the table in the Rules Compendium.

>>4877
Really?

... Even for DCs against insight and perception?

>>4876
I don't believe Rin is actively conspiring against us to make things like skill challenges harder. And it's worth 2 Aid Anothers at the moment, which is kind of a big deal.

>>4880
If a character's bonuses are left unchecked in favor of DCs and opposing checks based only on levels, it could eventually become impossible to hide anything from the character's passive insight and perception.

Well, maybe I'll have room for that in mid-paragon.

>>4881
I don't think arbitrarily raising the DCs is justified even then. You'd need a darn good reason to make it harder than it would normally be.

>>4882
Good reasons aren't too difficult to come up with, right? For example, I want to guess at a person's motives with an insight check, but that person could secretly be a level 30 dragon with high level-based bonuses to every skill. Naturally, I would have no chance, but if my skill bonuses ever became on par with a level 30 dragon's, we'd simply end up encountering more of such.

>>4883
>everybody is a level 30 dragon in disguise
>we somehow end up running into a lot of people who are level 30 dragons in disguise
That is extremely improbable.

>>4884
everyone is valanor and valanor pet

>>4885
>"no adventurers, you are the valanors"

>>4888
>not taking 10

difficult DC etc, taking 10 probably not enough only get 26 not 30

>>4890
"Hard" DC should be 22, according to
>>4877

>>4878
Obviously, I meant that for checks you were MEANT to be able to pass.

>>4893
What if we succeed on checks we weren't meant to pass?

>>4874
I was going more for the defensive monk that goes into the fray and causes enemies to cluster up and whatnot for big multiple target damage or effects. I'll have to look at melee training

>>4895
Oh, I see what you mean now. Not going to hit much at level 6 with only +7 to attack. +12 sounds better but not sure what I should give up. Deadly draw is good, but so is everything else. That's the only thing I could really give up. My only problem defense is fort, and slightly will.

>>4896
With a decent Wisdom score, your Will defense should be fine at this level without any feat boosts. I took Superior Will on my Invoker primarily because of the level 1 daily that causes her to daze herself.

Any character is going to have 1-2 defenses that are weak, that just can't be helped, really.

>>4897
Oh, okay. But for a monk (tanky/well, more defensively/defenses) is it good? And the attack should be fine now that I switched deadly draw for that melee thing you talked about. (12 attack now)

wtb aid anothers

Update after I nap and have a chance to make the next part of the map.

>>4898
I think it's okay to not pay a lot of feat-service to defenses in the heroic tier, as it's not until mid-paragon that they start to fall severely behind expected math.

Remember, though, melee training just boosts your basic attacks, so it's more of in case you need to charge or make an OA or something. Your implement attacks will still have a lower attack bonus, but since they hit NADs they'll still be accurate.

>>4923
Oh. I guess it's not so bad then if I forgo melee training because 95% of the time I'll be using my at-wills etc anyway.

>treasure just sitting there
Totally not suspicious.

>>4931
Well, it is a hidden room.

>A monocle made from a polished diamond
lens in a gold frame, with hooked and pierced side-handle, but without a ribbon or cord (1000 gp art object)
That probably goes to Sureiya.

>>4943
what I wanted that

>>4944
Too late, I need it. I only have two Sunrods and an At-Will Light spell, clearly I need an everburning candle too.

>>4947
You can always grab it or come up with a quick solution in the meantime

darn your edits bern

Even if I desire that monocle to no end, the amulet could also help me plenty, specially since I already used the power of my robe.
The problem is that thing is like 1800gp worth, can i take that and you get all the other good stuff?

>>4950
It's fine for anyone to wear it, right. We can divide up the loot more evenly after we're done with the tower, but until then, we should utilize our combat resources etc.

Steadfast Amulet +2 is 3400 gp btw.

>>4951
>3400gp
that's like my whole fortune in a single amulet!

>>http://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/16264285#16264715

>You do realize that the sometimes the At-Will/Encounter/Daily paradigm is a narrative mechanic, not a simulation?

>How often does Conan pull an awesome move in a fight? As often as the story requires. The powers mechanic just gives the player a bit of control of the story by deciding when his fighter gets to pull his cool move.

My mind has been blown.

>>4966
ofc I already knew this.

anon mess it up 2: the revenge

Quick, make a stealth check.

Silly Anchan, my aura is 11.

FYI, Sureiya's perception of the enemies in the room is based on his PASSIVE perception, as he was only able to see into the hallway when he first made a Perception check (and was too far from the enemies to realistically hear them at the time).

whr bern

Move to... F-10? Isn't that way too far?

>>5010
Now that I look again, it is kind of far, isn't it.

>>5011
Well, all right, now I'd be asking for an attack but it seems like InvisibleCastle is not working. You attack the creature at F-10 at the start of its turn. I'll wait a little while and see if it works, but if it's more than a few hours I'll see what I can do otherwise.

Somebody please use a daily power when you can see a target. It'd be nice to take control of the fight from the get-go.

>>5013
People still have dailies left?

I could go ahead and advance and roll via DiceTool, but we'd just hit a brick wall again as soon as Jyoji had to take his turn. I'll hold off as long as I can for IC, but if I have to go somewhere I'll make a post before I do making a roll for Bern's OA with Dicetool.

Then if IC STILL isn't working when I get home tonight, I'll have to look into alternative websites, at least temporarily.

Temporary Dice roller website:

http://www.rpol.net/game.cgi?gi=44310&date=0

If you haven't registered yet, do so and request to join the game. I'll add you.

6:47 PM Voyager: Sureiya should see what was attacked
6:48 PM Voyager: blazing starfall illumination, what are we dealing with
6:48 PM troll: I'd give friend my dota2 or diablo 3 invite before I played them
6:48 PM witchin: I was going to sell the tyrael one for big money and use the beta key
6:48 PM troll: probably
6:48 PM Sakutarou: dead things
6:48 PM witchin: then while waiting for the card I got randomly selected for a beta key
6:48 PM Tohsaka: You see one of the same things he saw before
6:48 PM witchin: so that was fine
6:48 PM Hide: dota 2 i am on the fence about
6:48 PM Voyager: what about the other thing
6:48 PM troll: it looks fine
6:48 PM Tohsaka: And another thing that looks almost exactly like the ghasts you fought in the fell cavern
6:48 PM Voyager: what
6:48 PM Tohsaka: because it is the same thing