-==SECOND TWILIGHT, THIRD TWILIGHT, AND FOURTH TWILIGHT==--

Everyone but Natsuhi went to the parlor, after hearing Jessica also died.

Natsuhi went to where Jessica was, then sobbed on Jessica's chest.

Time passes, and Natsuhi fell into a peaceful sleep.

It becomes the evening.

Everyone but Hideyoshi, Shannon, Kanon, and Kyrie were in the parlor, the rest went outside to cool their heads.

Hideyoshi brought Shannon, Kanon and Kyrie with him to check Natsuhi.

They walked to Jessica's room, where Natsuhi said she'd be.

They opened up the door, which was unlocked.

Once opened, there, they saw Natsuhi sleeping.

Hideyoshi, Kyrie, and Shannon were in the room, only to here a slam and a clicking noise.

They were confused and ran for the door, but started to feel woozy and lost their motor skills.

They all saw a witch, cackling at them.

Then, they realized that Natsuhi wasn't sleeping, she was dead, and they couldn't do anything about it.

Shannon, Kyrie, and Hideyoshi's last thoughts were curses of that witch.

And the last thing they heard was the cackling of that acursed witch.

-==FIFTH TWILIGHT AND SIXTH TWILIGHT==-

Eva was getting hungry, so she went to the kitchen to get some food.

She didn't get any food, she got a whole bunch of death, not to her though.

There she saw Kyrie, with a demonic stake in her head, and Gohda, with a demonic stake in his chest.

The scene looked like it had a fight, pots and pans knocked over, and various cut marks on the surroundings.

Eva immediately ran out of the room then felt a sharp pain in her stomach and died.

...

The surviving cry about the dead they just discovered and decided to sleep together.

...

[Stop BGM if it's still playing...]

-==DAY TWO==-

-==SEVENTH TWILIGHT, EIGTH TWILIGHT, AND NINTH TWILIGHT==-

The three survivors woke up together, then opened the door to the hallway...

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As soon as they did, they screamed and saw Shannon sitting next to the door, bloody with a demonic stake..

On Shannon was a note, they glanced at it: "I am the Golden Witch, Beatrice. I killed your family with magic, and will kill you with it."

The demonic stake was in her Knee and a gun wound on her heart.

They couldn't take anymore and just ran, Kumasawa stayed thinking she could stop the culprit.

The two survivors just let her do that and ran ran ran!

Then, the two locked themselves in a room and died.

The golden witch cackling.

[[End of Core]]

I decided to drop the redicuously hard and make it solvable with everything there, this is a mystery, not a red and blue game until you're completely stumped.

2o, 3o and 4o Twiligth:
Natsuhi commited suicide.
Shannon, Kyrie and Hideyoshi were poisoned by venenous gas.

>>4856
I want an overall theory, not a red and blue game. If you're really stumped, then we may start it. But before that, at least give me an overall theory.

>>4857
All of that would be much too boring. I deny all your blue.

>>4858
Kyrie, Hideyoshi and Shannon died by food intoxication.
Natsuhi died by a trap inside the mysterious lamp.

>>4863

Denied.

Don't just think of the clues I gave.

Think of the plausible and what might have happened.

You gotta use your heads for this one, because this isn't a game that will be generous with red, excluding misunderstandings!

I demand you provide explanations to deny any of my blue, nyeh.

To start, nihihi─ the first mystery, the six deceased. Those six that deceased ate of a particular dish, which contained a venom that spurred on hallucinations, nyeh. As a result of these hallucinations, the six commit suicide in the middle of the night. Since the venom was served by another person, or put into the dish purposefully by someone, it is to be considered a premeditated murder: actions taken to kill, nihihihi─

>>4905

A venom that could do such was not used to "kill" the six who are currently dead.

>>4906
Since the "murder" is actually a successive string of suicides caused by a hallucinatory drug, nyeh.

>>4907

Denied.

C'mon~ We both know I killed them.. WITH MY MAGIC OF COURSE!!! *CACKLE* *CACKLE* *CACKLE*

>>4908
Beatrice does not exist.

A Substance X in a particular dish only the six who died have partaken in caused an allergic reaction which spurred on the actions.

>>4909

Denied.. Denied.. Denied denied.. Denied denied denied denied denied denied denied denied DENIED DENIED DENIED DENIED DENIED DENIED AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

>>4910
Small bombs in the food got stuck in their throats and exploded during the night.

>>4911

Aww, looks like you got it.. WRONG!

>>4912
Of course, nyeh! It was medium-sized bombs!

>>4913

Denied, come on man. ;_;

>>4914
Well, from the story, there is attention called to the food. No self-respecting author would call attention to an item or fact that will not be of import to the story, therefore, it's beyond probable that there was something peculiar about the food, nyeh.

Considering the possibilities, either the food was drugged, caused an allergic reaction or contained equipment that would cause death. Unless you want to suggest the food was contaminated with a virus that would cause hallucinations, à la Hinamizawa Syndrome, or event X triggered the Hinamizawa Syndrome in the victims, which led to their deaths. Nihihi─

>>4915

Oh no, whatever will I do~

DENIED

>>4916
Well, obviously, there was a knife in the food. Eating a knife causes you to die.

>>4917

DENIED, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTICED IMMEDIATELY.

AT THIS RATE, MAGIC WILL BE YOUR ONLY OPTION~

>>4918
You doubt the breadth of my imagination, nihihihi─?

There were creatures in the food that, upon being digested, started laying eggs and made the necks itchy!

>>4919

DENIED AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!!

YOU DOUBT THE WIDTH, HEIGHT, AND VOLUME OF MY IMAGINATION!!! *Cackle* *Cackle* *Cackle*

>>4920
Not really. Gameboards are known to be ridiculously silly. The six just felt itchy and wanted to scratch their necks, but being Japanese the concept of moderation is alien to them. Ah, the tragedies of being a foul people, useful only for their animated porn, nyeh.

>>4921

Denied.

I killed them using my magic, silly magical talking bunny rabbit with humanoid form.

>>4922
The lamp fell over. Blinded and shocked, Jessica immediately committed Ritual Seppuku like a true nihon-jin would do. George, upon waking to the noise and seeing it, realises that Jessica is shamed to have her suicide witnessed, and the dishonour can only be solved by more Seppuku.

Maria wakes, but thinks it's a game and also goes along. Battler, being an inattentive jerk, just snores through the entire ordeal.

Somewhere in the mansion, Rudolf senses a disturbance in the force, and claws open his throat to make the energy flow out. Sadly, so did his blood.

Krauss, finally, just decided to go for the hell of it and found it a nice night for suicide.

>>4923

First: Denied.
Second: You made me laugh so hard I almost choked on my ramen. You silly murderer, you can't kill the Golden Witch like that!

>>4924
Oooooooh? Is it too much for you? Why don't you just go bite your navel and die, nyeh?

The lamp fell over. Instinctively, Jessica knew that the time had come. It had been a long road, naturally, to master and perfect this most sacred skill she had observed in a game of Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni.

It was time! The time to claw! She clawed her throat open, because she is deluded enough to mistake a girl for a boy (or vice versa, silly Yasu) and then try to court said gender-confused trap.

George, being in the same boat, also becomes a failure of life and dies.

Maria, again, participates in the game.

Rudolf and Krauss, after having a disagreement, decide to settle it with a contest of who can scratch open their throat fastest. Sadly it was a tie.

>>4925

Denied.

The lamp contained chemical X. On falling it caused either an allergic reaction or maddening hallucination that led to the gruesome deaths.

>>4927

Denied.

Watashi wa Daaaareeee?

>>4928
Yup, I yield. Too much guesswork.

>>4929

It's not that much, maybe a few items that could've done it. Think of what's plausible, before dinner. Just think.

>>4930
What, there was something in the beds?

Gah, fine. Mercy red, you deserve it.

The victims scratched their throats to death.

This is made to be solvable, only if you think however. I want this to be solved.

>>4932

Also, it was not suicide, technically.

>>4932
I already knew they scratched their throats to death, that was obvious, nyeh. To imagine a hundred murders and then narrow down which method was used takes time, nihihi─ I just have no way to definitely cross off a method.

The six were poisoned with a venom that caused the gruesome deaths at point X in time through method X. As for method X, take your pick:

- Slipped it into the food.
- Injected it with a needle after using knockout drops.
- Sprayed it in the air at some point.
- Put it on flowers which the six smelled.
- Rubbed it into the plates the six used.
- Rubbed it into their bed sheets or other bedwear.
- Rubbed it into their lamps or attached a mechanism to the lamp that would inject a venom.
- Poisoned a needle on which they all pricked themselves.
- Spiked a drink, any drink, with the poison.
- Rubbed it into one's own hands, infected the six, then washed it; after having taken a vaccin against it.
- A blowdart gun.
- A mosquito carried it from one victim to another.
- A kiss sealed death by way of poison on the first kisser's lips.
- Applied it to the victim's clothing.
- Put a syringe under the pillow which somehow stabbed them.
- Venom in the waters, which only those six came into contact with.
- Venom on the cups or the silverware.

Do I need more?

>>4934

Discard all thoughts of venoms and poisons.
Think about the food itself.

>>4935
More lists.

- Allergic reaction.
- Fishbones in the food that got stuck in the throat.
- Object X that got stuck in the throat.
- Food poisoning that caused a burning sensation in the throat.
- A specific herb that caused a burning sensation in the throat.
- A specific concoction that caused a burning sensation in the throat.
- A disagreeable combination of foodstuffs that caused a burning sensation in the throat and/or the victim to throw up.
- Alcohol in the drinks, sufficient to cause panic attacks.
- Medicine in the food that causes hallucinations.
- Aphrodesiacs, the unbridled lust giving rise to desperation and suicide.
- Nightmare inducing herbs.
- Nightmare inducing concoctions.
- Reverse-laxative concoctions or herbs.

>>4936

Two of those had a part.

The victims each had a horrible stomach ache.

>>4937
A stomachache so bad you could die.

>>4938

Denied, the stomach ache assisted the murder.

Come one, try harder. Everything is there. Look at everything.

Kinzo is mutating.

Before I start, I'd like to have a confirmation of the following part of the narrative if possible:

All the family members arrived (Ange didn't go with them, of course) to Rokkenjima safely.

George, Battler, Jessica, and Maria talked and played around until they had to go inside.

Kanon and Nanjo greeted them, and took them to the guest house.

Gohda decided to make a special dinner, so started soon after lunch.

All of the Ushiromiya family on the island ate dinner.

Kanon and Genji were the attending servants.

Shannon and Kumasawa were doing laundry and other servant-related things.

Eva, Natsuhi, Battler, Jessica, George, Maria, and Rosa didn't eat the main dish, they weren't very hungry.
The rest of the Ushiromiya family on the island ate sparsely, but much more.

George, Jessica, Maria, and Battler went to the Guesthouse, with Shannon escorting them.

Krauss, Eva, Rudolf, Rosa, Natsuhi, Hideyoshi, and Kyrie talked about Kinzo's assets and if he died.

The servants went back to their quarters soon after everyone fell asleep.

They eventually were all asleep in their respective rooms.

Actually, no, I won't wait for verification. I'll just take my guesses now and roll with it.

The food contained tapeworms.
The food contained bits of something sharp (glass, metal, etc.)
There was a drug placed in the food that caused the people who ate it to hallucinate.

And taking a shot in the dark,

The victims did not scratch out their own throats.
The victims attacked each other.
There was something in the drinks that led to their deaths. It was diluted enough as to be undetectable.

But I'll take that one step further, as I say the food or drink contained the antidote to something, and not consuming it caused the afflicted to die.

Is that enough? Oh no, I got something even crazier in mind. Recall how there is no detective in your game, yes? The sparsity of the red truth so far clouds the entire board in the witch's darkness where rules can't reach. So allow me to make this proclamation : Battler died from the same thing that killed Jessica, George, Maria, Rudolf, Krauss, and Rosa! Battler was a seventh victim!

What say you to that?

>>4942

All of those theories are denied, you're getting closer. Battler may or may not be killed on the tenth twilight, which is where the truth is seen.

I'm new here, but have lurked around some, so I'll take a shot at it. First I want clear up a few points which are a bit difficult to understand, because of your style of writing.

When you say denied, are you refusing to give an answer, or are you actually denying the statement.

Let's start with some things that you shouldn't mind clearing up. As these truths don't deny witches I won't use blue.

Everyone on the Island with the exception of Kumasawa and Kinzo is dead.
(Kumasawa and Kinzo may be dead as well, but the narrative never said they died)

Battler, Kyrie and Natsuhi did not find anything wrong with the first twilight victims hands when they inspected the body besides the fact that they were in an odd position.

>>4855
Could you clarify exactly when Gohda wandered off from the other survivors?

And here is my theory. I would appreciate a red truth besides DENIED to kill it.

Kumasawa is the culprit. She poisoned/meddled with five random dishes which happened to belong to Maria, George, Jessica, Krauss and Rudolf. She also spiked Gohda's personal dish during this time. Rosa felt peckish, so she called Kumasawa to deliver some food to her, and during this oppurtunity Kumasawa killed her. (not through poison). When everyone was discussing things in the parlor, before they noticed Rosa died, she set up a device in the cousins room that would poison the occupiers when the door was closed. This device killed Shannon (who is also Kanon), Hideyoshi and Kyrie.

When she was sure the bodies were dead, she made the neccesary arangements for people to discover them. She was with Eva when she discovered the bodies, and decided to silence her on the spot (with a gun) as she wasn't finished with the preparations yet.

She killed either Genji or Nanjo while the rest were asleep, which prompted everyone to leave the room. She also set up Shannon's corpse during this time.

She directed the remaining survivors to the poison gas room to escape. She closed the door and they died

>>4944

Welcome to /seacats/, and my game!
I'm new here myself (Less than a week).

Glad to meet you, I am Beato, she resembled my personality so I decided to use her as my avatar.

Anyways, trollface, and a gift.

>When you say denied, are you refusing to give an answer, or are you actually denying the statement.

The purpose of it is to not spoon-feed my opponent the truth, I use the red truth as a denial for their theory, so they may think of another that fits the conditions. If no one thinks of anything, or starts shotgunning... Then I'll give out hints and red, but keep the truth obscure.

The clues are there, just gotta think of the plausible, and what could have happened realistically.

The first twilight is technically a murder.

>Everyone on the Island with the exception of Kumasawa and Kinzo is dead.
(Kumasawa and Kinzo may be dead as well, but the narrative never said they died)

The Ushiromiya family (To clarify, Kinzo's grandchildren and their spoused/children) are all dead except Battler. All of the servants are dead. Nanjo is dead.

>Battler, Kyrie and Natsuhi did not find anything wrong with the first twilight victims hands when they inspected the body besides the fact that they were in an odd position.

It goes without saying that the victim's fingers were bloody.

>>4945

Before Shannon, Kyrie, and Hideyoshi were murdered.

>>4946

Kumasawa is too old to kill, she can barely manage her job. A gun would be too loud.

You're good at this, have you been at any other Umineko Theory boards?

And for a kicker

This story was not written by Beatrice There is no love in this story, it is all bare bones. There is nothing compelling to drive it.Beatrice would never write a story without putting a piece of her soul into it

>>4947

>You're good at this, have you been at any other Umineko Theory boards?

Oh me and my red truth typo.

Let's shorten that down to You're good at this, have you been at any other Umineko Theory boards?

>>4948

...

Without love, you cannot see the truth. I guarantee there's love in this story.

>>4947
Oh you replied!
I have only been to animesuki, for discussion. Is this your first shot at writing a mystery. The last statement was only for fun, I didn't mean to offend.

This story is based off the premise that you know at least most of what has happened in the Umineko Visual Novels. There is love, in this story.

I don't know what I did to you, but don't insult my story.

>>4951

Also, yes, this is technically my first shot at writing a mystery. I would put more into a book, than this. I concocted this up over night.

>>4953
I retract my statement. When the story is bare bones it is easy to get frustrated.

Kumasawa is too old to kill, she can barely manage her job. Again to clarify, this is in regards to direct methods right? Therefore it denies the acts of killing Rosa and Eva.

The Ushiromiya family (To clarify, Kinzo's grandchildren and their spoused/children) are all dead except Battler. All of the servants are dead. Nanjo is dead.
So that means that Battler was not one of the survivors based on your narrative as he did not die in the final twilight, and is not Kumasawa.

For this blue, I'll take the red about Kumasawa literally as if it read "Kumasawa is not a culprit."
Genji is the culprit. He poisoned/meddled with the dishes belonging to Jessica, George, Maria, Rudolf, and Krauss. He also spiked Gohda's personal dish during this time. Rosa felt peckish, so she called Genji to deliver some food to her, and during this oppurtunity Genji killed her. (not through poison). He asked Kanon to check on Rosa in order to frame him.

When everyone was discussing things in the parlor, before they noticed Rosa died, he first set up poisoned appetizers out for the family. The poison was of a different type then the one used during the first twilight. The only person who touched the food was Eva. He then set up a device in the cousins room that would poison the occupiers when the door was closed. This device killed Shannon (who is also Kanon), Hideyoshi and Kyrie.

When he was sure the bodies were dead, he made the neccesary arangements for people to discover them. When Eva discovered the bodies the poison kicked in causing her to get severe stomach cramps. Genji noticed the moans and killed her using weapon X. (which is not a gun).

During the second to sixth twilights, Battler works on the epitath and is able to solve it. He decides to stay in the gold room. Genji, Nanjo, Kumasawa are unable to find him.

While Nanjo and Kumasawa were asleep, Genji set up Shannon's corpse.

He directed both Nanjo and Kumasawa into the trap room. Kumasawa, sensing a trap, refused to enter. When Nanjo and Genji entered the room, Genji blocked the entrance and they both died.

Battler then decides to tell everyone that he found the gold. Seeing everyone dead he goes into a panic. As Kumasawa is the only one left alive, he shoots her for all the pain she has supposedly brought on his family.

Genji's motive was his contract with Kinzo. In his will he stated that he wished that his entire family would join him in the afterlife. Genji fullfilled this request by killing everyone on the island.

Just realized that the gas room idea is wrong via Shannon, Kyrie and Hideyoshi were not killed by venemous gas
To counter
Natsuhi, Shannon, Kyrie, Hideyoshi, Genji and Nanjo were killed by trap X which activates upon closing the door. The trap is gaseous, and is usually non-toxic, but since there was a large concentrated amount it ended up being poisonous as it removed all the oxygen in the room.

>>4954

None of the food itself was meddled with in any fashion whatsoever.

Shannon, Hideyoshi, and Kyrie were not killed by poision.

Battler was with the survivors at all times.

Someone else setup Shannon's corpse.

Following your theory, Genji's theory is loveless.

>>4955

No one in this game died a gaseous death.

>The three survivors woke up together, then opened the door to the hallway...
>They couldn't take anymore and just ran, Kumasawa stayed thinking she could stop the culprit.
>The two survivors just let her do that and ran ran ran!
>Then, the two locked themselves in a room and died.
Battler was with the survivors at all times.
The Ushiromiya family (To clarify, Kinzo's grandchildren and their spoused/children) are all dead except Battler. All of the servants are dead. Nanjo is dead.
Where was Battler during this time period and did he enter the room?

Battler is not considered a survivor. Therefore he is the culprit.

>>4958

Why don't you back that up with some theories, then maaaaaaybe I'll give you a red~

I need to figure out what happened in the previous twilights but I'll give my theories for the final twilight.

Battler killed Kumasawa prior he Genji and Nanjo locked himself in the room. He disguised himself as her (somehow) and took her place. To kill Nanjo and Genji, he simply unlocked the door, and killed both of them using a weapon of some sorts.

More realistically: Battler holed himself up in the closet/similar hiding place before the survivors arrived. When they left, Battler exited the room. He first killed Kumasawa, who didn't try to run, and then killed Genji and Nanjo by simply using Kumasawa's Master Key to unlock the door

>>4960

Looks like I have to say it~

Battler is not the culprit. Battler is a survivor.

Well, we seem to have misplaced some pieces, huh. Actually it seems like everyone on the island misplaced Nanjo, since he didn't get dinner and no one summoned him to examine the 1st twilight corpses. Maybe he was killed before dinner by Kanon, who was the only person besides the cousins who saw him on the island. Or maybe he wasn't there at all~

As for Battler... Battler counts as a survivor, so he supposedly went into a room with Survivor X and died at the end. But, after that, he's still alive, and he's not the culprit. So the bit at the end is a lie. After finishing off Kumasawa, the culprit came into the room using her master key and killed Survivor X. However, Battler managed to successfully defend himself and kill the culprit.

>>4966

Battler really did die.

As Battler is alive
Battler remained with the survivors at all times and
>The two people in the room both died.
I conclude that Battler is disguised as Kumasawa.

How that works is beyond me. I'll try solving the other mysteries before tackling this one again.

No-one except the viewer was fooled by Battler's disguise because HE IS INCOMPETENT

>>4967
And I missed this. Ignore

Battler is not disguised.
Battler is a genius in this game, as well as super reliable.

>>4967
How fitting. Let me guess, you killed him and revived him with magic?

Battler was revived using CPR. The remaining survivor killed Battler and himself. Kumasawa heard the commotion and hurried into the room. She then managed to perform emergency CPR. Unfortunately, as she was so physically weak, she died from exhaustion upon reviving Battler.

>>4975

There is only one culprit. None of the survivor's are the culprit at that point of time.

I killed them with maaaaaaaaaaaaaaagiiiiiiiiiiiic~
*Cackle* *Cackle* *Cackle*

Tee hee
Thanks for making this easier!!

Battler and Survivor X died from Trap Y. Kumasawa was able to revive Battler using CPR, but died soon afterwards either from Trap Y or over exhaustion. The trap was activated upon the closing of the room.

Alternatively, the culprit is not considered a survivor. He/she faked his/her death, then killed the reamaining survivors including Battler and Survivor X. The culprit wouldn't even need to fake his death if he were either Genji or Nanjo, as it is unknown whether or not they died based on the narrative. Then Battler was revived either by the culprit him/herself or Kumasawa. If the culprit revived him the the culprit commited suicide immediately afterwards.


I've solved this twilight enough for my tastes, so I'll let it rest for now.

For the first twilight
All Ushiromiyas are allergic to a specific type of food. Everyone who knew their allergies avoided the food, but those that didn't (the five or six in question) suffered a sever allergic reaction which caused them to be unable to breathe. To rectify this, they began to claw at their own throats. Gohda is directly responsible for this, as he was responsible for making the food, but he might not have known the specific food was dangerous to Ushiromiya's.

>>4982

Not close enough to the truth. Denied.
Battler, and the survivor were killed not killed by an activated trap. (I mean they didn't activate the trap, then die.)

were not killed*

The food itself was directly related to the murder. Knowing what the dinner or lunch would strongly hint at how the culprit committed the murder.

Perhaps there was supposed to be a heavy duty sleep-inducing agent in the recipe to keep people from witnessing something they shouldn't.

If the victims had fallen asleep, they would not have died.

The victims' bodies were moved from the original locations of their deaths.


Or perhaps something more obvious. One of the items served to the family contained mushrooms. Hallucinations and such accounted for there, though I'd have to think about why not eating the main dish would lead to one's death.

>>4976
Hah. Before you talk about magic, you should account for the alibis of all those "victims" that Battler's group never saw.

It isn't confirmed that anyone besides Battler closely examined the 1st twilight corpses, or even really saw the corpses at all. So, it's possible that Kyrie, Natsuhi, Eva, and Hideyoshi actually believed they were just pretending to be dead!

This explains why, out of the four people who were alone with 1st twilight corpses, only Kanon was tied up, and he was taken along when Hideyoshi's group left the parlor despite supposedly being a dangerous suspect. He was actually untied once they had left the larger group.

Hideyoshi's group then went to Jessica's room, where Natsuhi had been told to wait for them. There wasn't any problem with her seeing Jessica's corpse up close, because that corpse wasn't in Jessica's room to begin with - it was in the guesthouse with the other dead cousins. Once Hideyoshi's group reached the room, Kanon shot and killed them all with a gun.

After that, he went to meet Gohda, who had left the parlor, and killed him. Eva stumbled upon him while he was positioning the corpses in the kitchen, so he shot her and left her there as well.

The next morning, he left Shannon's corpse outside the room where the remaining survivors were sleeping. Once they split up, he killed Kumasawa, and then used his master key to enter the locked room where Battler and Genji were hiding and killed both of them.

>>4989
Oops, forgot one last thing.
Battler is dead, but Battler is alive. So there are two Battlers, and Kanon is one of them.

>>4988

The food they ate directly assisted the murder.

None of the food was tampered with.

They all died in their beds.

They did not have any hallucinations!

>>4989

I guarantee that none of the deaths are mistaken!

Jessica decided to sleep in her own room, she thought the Guest house had ghosts at night!!!

IT'S MAAAAAAAGIIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!

>>4992

I guarantee that none of the deaths are mistaken!

>>4991

Kanon is not Battler!

It doesn't matter where Jessica slept that night. Battler found Jessica's corpse in the Guest room with Maria and George. Since you used the red, you have confirmed someone moved her body, thus outside interaction was used. The food managed to speed up the breathing rate of the victims. The culprit placed a plastic bag around the victims heads. Struggling to breathe the victims clawed at their throats to get the bag off.

>>4996

My red doesn't confirm that, and wroooooooooooong.

>>4992
So the first twilight victims died specifically because they did not eat the main dish. Is that what you're saying?

Hmm, a thought occurs to me.

The first twilight victims did not imbibe anything alcoholic during dinner.

>>4999

Nope.

Everyone but Maria had wine. The alcohol is irrelevant.

>>5000
Oho, so rather than follow a dead end series of inquiries, I surmise that there was nothing in the food that led to their deaths!

>>5002

Yes, nothing in the food led to their death. Be aware that does not include the food itself.

>>5004
Indeed! For the people were killed by somebody else, based on whether or not they ate the main dish!

>>5006

TAKE A LOOKY AT THE STORY AGAIN~

Since you seem to want to keep the focus on the food. When you say they didn't eat the main dish, they instead opted to eat something else. The food that at least some of those who didn't eat the main course ate was poorly prepared.

Maybe some of them had acid reflux so revere they clawed at their throats to stop the pain.

Still, the wording of other theories seems to cover all this. Can you confirm that all the people who didn't eat the main course didn't eat something else in its place? Or more of something else? Could it be that the reason they didn't eat the main course to begin with was that at least some of them were feeling unwell?

>>5007
Not so fast. Battler was spared because he was Battler. If he was not Battler, he'd have been killed. Only because of who he was did he not die.

>>5009

The food was prepared perfectly, compliments to the chef, Gohda.

They felt fine~ Irrelevant either way.

>>5010

Already said it, Battler died.

>>5014
But he was spared during the first twilight for the reasons I already mentioned.

In fact, I would say that Battler was spared because he 'succeeded' at something where the others had failed.

>>5016

Mere luck, the culprit wanted EVERYONE to die at that time, but stuck with the Ushiromiya's for now.

>>5013
Which food? Repeat it. "None of the people who opted not to eat the main dish ate or drank any other things in place of it in a quantity greater than the ones who opted to eat the main dish, whether before or after."

This reasoning is contained in what I just said, but I'll specify it anyway. At least some of the people who opted not to eat the main dish were not hungry because they had eaten or drank something else beforehand that the others did not, or at least did not to such a quantity.

>>5017
Mere luck, as in Battler got lucky and figured out something that saved him from the same fate as the others.

>>4992
You said that Battler saw the corpses of Jessica, George, and Maria together in the same room, so they must have all spent the night in her room. I won't worry too much why she had multiple beds in her room. However...

Because Battler didn't eat the main course at dinner, he got hungry late at night. He woke up and wandered out to get a snack from the kitchen. While he was gone, the culprit was able to come in and throttle the sleeping victims with the lamp cord, causing them to claw at their throats to get it off.

Also, I'd like a clarification. When you say that "none of the deaths are mistaken", do you mean that
1) Eva, Hideyoshi, Kyrie, and Natsuhi really did inspect the respective corpses and accurately determine whether they were dead, or
2) all of the people whose deaths were depicted in the story actually did die?

The apecial dish prepared was live octopus. It was not the main dish. It wasn't swallowed properly, which caused the victims to suffocate in their sleep

Incidentally, who is "Nanji"?

>>5018

None of the people who opted not to eat the main dish ate or drank any other things in place of it in a quantity greater than the ones who opted to eat the main dish, whether before or after.

>>5019

Battler really just got lucky and didn't eat the things the other's did.

>>5022
The same one as Genjo, probably.

>>5020

Denied.

1 and 2.

>>5021

Denied

>>5022

Nanji..? Did I make a typo somewhere?

>>5023
Okay, a more direct question, then.

Battler and the first twilight victims all met up somewhere before the next day.
Battler and the first twilight victims were summoned by someone.

>>5028

Nope, nothing like that.

>>5030
Okay, I'll be blunt.

In this game, Ushiromiya Kinzo is not dead.

The food was prepared perfectly fine.

The condiments (stuff like salt & pepper, butter, horseradish) were tampered with.

"Nanji" is a typo, replace it with Nanjo.

>>5033

That is included in this game's definition of food.

>>5032

Yes, Ushiromiya Kinzo is dead. The setup act was during an earlier time period.

The victims killed themselves. And yet, it's considered murder. However, whether or not they scratch themselves to death is their own choice. Unless it was a situation in which they were sure to scratch their throats to the point of death, which would be difficult without imaginary drugs, the killer created a situation where whether or not they scratched their throats, they would have died regardless.

Repeat. "The victims would have died from a cause that was already progressing even if they didn't scratch their throats to death."

One of the ingredients Gohda used to prepare his dishes was swapped for something else. (eg. salt)Gohda did not realize the change of ingredients.

If Gohda sampled each of his dishes, he would have died that night as well.

Jessica, George, Maria, Rudolf and Krauss all ate at least one thing in common.

>>5036

The victims would have died from a cause that was already progressing even if they didn't scratch their throats to death

>>5035
The food was a selection process. Those that did not eat the main dish were selected for something.

>>5037

Jessica, George, Maria, Rudolf, Rosa and Krauss all ate at least one thing in common.

Gohda might have died later actually, if that were the case.

One of the ingredients being swapped is close enough. Now you just have to find out what could have done this.

>>5039

Denied.

To Ast

Eva, Natsuhi, Battler, Jessica, George, Maria, and Rosa didn't eat the main dish, they weren't very hungry.
The rest of the Ushiromiya family on the island ate sparsely, but much more.

The victims of the first twilight were Jessica, George, Maria, Rosa, Krauss, and Rudolf

In addition, we do not get confirmation whether Rosa died the same way as the other victims.

>>5043

She's part of the first twilight, same way as the other victims.

>>5040
Thanks for confirming Rosa for me, I wasn't sure as she never had an inspection, unlike the other victims.

So one of the ingredients being swapped (or something similar) lead to their deaths becoming inevitable.

You say Kumasawa is old to kill, but what do you mean by that? This method of killing is one that Kumasawa, who helps in the kitchen, could pull of. Regardless of her age.

>>5048

Because thinking of killing and putting it into motion, despite how easy it is... Makes her hurt all over because she's old, and can't access thoughts like that easily~ If she put it in action~ She's die~

>>5052
What nonsense. But this confirms Kumasawa isn't the culprit.

That conversation you have about love is interesting. A gameboard that has a piece of Beatrice's soul in it is, in a sense, unheard of around these parts. The initial culprit in all those games is the same. If all games followed that, it would be boring. It's little fun to just regurgitate the truth you were told elsewhere every time.

So, is Kanon, and Shannon, or rather, the body they inhabit, the one body that houses the culprit?

Who knows~ Shannon and Kanon cou~ld be different people~

>>5057
It would be good if they were. But the reason I ask is that if we try to finger the culprit and this is the case, "Kanon is the culprit" and "Shannon is the culprit" are right and wrong simultaneously.

The body that Shannon inhabits switched an ingredient in the food which would cause anyone who ate the food to die inevitably soon after.

The same body later killed itself with a gunshot, after placing a stake and a letter near itself.

The final died when the initial culprit was already dead.

>>5059
That should be "the final two."

>>5058

You know, I didn't read the "Trick" ending of Episode 8 of Umineko no Naku Koro ni.

If what you're saying is that the culprit was Beatrice herself in that game, there's no way I'd 100% know.

Yeah, you got me.

Beatrice is the culprit.

First Twilight: Shannon put some rotten goat cheese in on the counter, of course made it look ok. Gohda didn't notice the difference. (It looked virtually the same) The victims went to bed, each of them had a similar nightmare caused by the food poisoning the cheese caused them, they all just happened to have a nightmare of scratching their throats. If that didn't happen, they would have died later of food born illness.

Shannon and Beatrice had an internal conflict and Beatrice killed Shannon, mentally of course. Therefore, Shannon is dead. Beatrice portrayed Shannon's death to the people to see, and killed Kumasawa after that.

So tell me, how did the survivors die?

>>5061
An explosion.

>>5062

Explosion is close, but think more mundane.

>>5063
A gunshot? Since the body Shannon inhabited was not actually dead if it was able to kill Kumasawa, there's nothing stopping Beatrice from continuing to kill.

>>5064


The survivors had a lot of sweat in that room.

>>5065
You're saying they died in a fire?

>>5066
Less hot.

>>5068
Dehydration? Heat stroke? Suffocation from smoke?

>>5069

Close enough.

They died from heat in the closed room. The culprit barricaded the door after they went in, knowing there was a trap.

>>5071
I see. Is that it, then?

I'll post the ending, then we'll solve the rest of the murders with red and blue.

Just for reference, this is piece Beato talking, not me.

[[Last Act and Tenth Twilight]]

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BGM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXlDkINMxM
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There I was.. Still alive somehow...

Wind.. Cold wind was blowing in the anything but desolate room, there was a bed, it seemed to belong to a very rich person..

However, something even a very rich person wouldn't see in his life was there.

It was a wall of gold, there appeared to be atleast 10 tons worth of it there.

Next to that wall, a girl was touching it, no.. A girl wouldn't detail this person.. It was much to dark to see this person.

As a few minutes past, this girl moved, as she moved, a few golden butterflies could be seen.

The golden butterflies congregated and began to fill up the room.. Slowly, but surely the room began to become brighter, only to a pleasurable point.

There, I could see, a beautiful woman, golden pasta-like hair and.. That unmistakable 10 tons of gold to the right of her.

No.. This was not just a beautiful woman, this woman.. Had a divine look to her.

In my childhood, stories depicted witches that looked like old hags and ate people or whatever but...

This was definitely a witch, that was her aura, and yet.. Beautiful.

It was odd however, such a beautiful witch who could control magic did not seem happy, no...

She wasn't happy at all, almost like it was a playground and no one else would play her game of tic tac toe, or four squares.

I really do wonder if she murdered my family.. She's the only person it could be the culprit at this point.. But..

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BGM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hJ7SfceTWw
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Witch: "You, how long have you been here?"

Me: "..."

Witch: "..Well, how long?"

Me: "......Only a few minutes.. My family is dead."

Witch: "..."

Me: "..You are the culprit, that's the only way possible.. Everyone else is DEAD!!!"

The witch seemed surprised.. Then her face saddened, she looked like a sad doll with her head down.

Witch: "..."

Me: "Why.. Why did you do this.. WHY GODDAMNIT!??!?!?!"

Witch: "......."

I picked up a winchester rifle, that was next to me.. One of that angry old man's rifle's.

Me: "Explain why and how you did it, as well as you're name.. Before I kill you."

Witch: "..."

I clutched my gun tightly in agony.. This type of situation.. I didn't like at all.

Witch: "..Because you forgot. You forgot our promise.."

The witch began to cry, I knew I shouldn't feel sorry for her.. but I did.. Warm tears dropped from my eyes...
I began to remember a clouded memory.. This memory.. No.. D.. Da.. DAMNIT. I forgot THIS?! After everything that happened with my mother..
It doesn't justify it.. I.. I should die too.. I'm the cause of all of this.. I can't believe it.. But..

Me: "..What is you're name?"

Witch: "Beatrice.. No, I'm Beatrice's granddaugter.. I'm Sayo, no.. I'm her lonelyness, who became a witch.."
Beatrice: "I'm her love for you, which I took on. Sayo loves George, but I don't.. I love you."

Me: "..Why did you kill them.."

Beatrice: "As soon as I noticed that you didn't remember.. I decided to enact my plan.."
Beatrice: "..To kill the Ushiromiya family.. To kill you. To gouge you're heart by killing your family, then blow a bullet into you're head.. but.."
Beatrice: "...I just can't seem to kill you."

I noticed there was a gun next to Beatrice, she could have killed me all this time.. Why? Why didn't she just shoot me? Love?

Me: "..Why haven't you shot me yet? I'm a threat aren't I? You killed my entire family.. WHY DON'T YOU JUST KILL ME TO!?"

I blinked my eyes as I cried, in that moment she ran up to me and grabbed ahold of me before I could do anything.. She was.. hugging me?

In tears.. She said she loved me.. That she couldn't kill me even if she wanted to.

I had my finger on the trigger.. The gun was pointed right at her side.. Damnit.. Why can't I just shoot her.. What's holding me back..

Beatrice: "I'm sorry Battler, this was all a stupid thing to do.. ...Escape to Kuwadorian, it's far away, but this tunnel will take you there."
Beatrice: "The bomb will blow up half of this island.. The police won't be able to suspect you or anyone properly if half the island is gone.."
Beatrice: "Goodbye.. Battler, I.. I really do love you!--"

Just as she said that, I heard a gunshot and felt a rumble in my hand, Beatrice pulled the trigger.. She knew it was aimed at her..

...

I.. I laid there.. for atleast 20 minutes.. Thinking.. Reassorting my head..

I pushed her off of me gently, then went to Kuwadorian.. I forced myself along that path, I still had to return to Ange..

I eventually got to Kuwadorian, it was a lovely looking place, but none of that mattered to me.. Today I lost everything.. No, not everything but..

I lost my love.. I lost my family.. The only thing I have is Ange now..

...

After a day, there was a huge rumble that shook everything.. But I didn't care..

...

The storm shortly passed after that.. My head was hurting horribly.. But I still didn't care.

...

Eventually, the police arrived and found me.. I lost track of time at that point.. How many days have I been here..

The police asked me things.. I never responded.. I just simply didn't care, it was too painful to..

I was carried out of that island.. I saw Ange at the harbor.. There was a little glint in my eyes.. But only a little.

I was taken to a mental health facility, people said all kinds of disorders and traumas and what not.. I still didn't care..

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BGM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_nEcivlBLE
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...

Apparently Ange was taken in by the Sumadera family, I.. I can't help but care.

Everything but Ange was gone.. I asked to leave the mental health facility, I was at an age where I could do that, so they allowed it.

I somehow or another managed to get to Ange, the Sumadera family let me in, and allowed me to stay a few months.. Until I could get back on my feet and take care of Ange.

There's more to this story.. But it's not worth telling... So I'll stop here.

I'll see Beatrice in hell, heaven, wherever eventually.. She was the effect of my cause, but I still love her..

When the seagulls cried.. No one was left alive..

Goodbye, my beloved witch.

...

[[End]]

What murders are there left to solve?

>>5076

Second-Ninth twilight.

Don't forget to enjoy the ending I made.

>>5079
I read it. For now I think I'll leave it to the others though, I was just taking their theories and guessing anyway.

Have fun, Beato.

>>5080

Well you're pretty damn good, Will.

We should play more often, next time you make a mystery!

>>5080

Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice led Hideyoshi and Kyrie into Jessica`s room and killed them via method X.

Shannon gave Natsuhi a more traditional poison under the pretense of trying to calm Natsuhi down. She died in her sleep.

As a magical explanation has not been given for the deaths for Nanjo/Genji and Gohda one does not need to be given

When Eva discovered the corpses, Shannon was also in the room. When Eva turned her back Shannon stabbed her from behind.

>>5089

Eva felt the sharp pain in the front of her stomach, not the back.

Natuhi died of something else.

Shannon and Kanon are different people.

Shannon, Kyrie, and Hideyoshi went into the room of their own free will, no being lead.

Shannon is innocent, Beatrice is the culprit, remember?

>>5100
Well if you want to make them separate bodies, I guess I don't have to worry about Kanon being tied up.

After Battler inspected the 1st twilight corpses, he left Shannon alone in the bedroom. Beatrice took control, waited for Natsuhi to arrive, and killed her (perhaps by surprising her and suffocating her). Then she rejoined the survivors in the parlor and switching back to Shannon.

Later, while Hideyoshi, Kyrie, and Kanon were trying to wake Natsuhi, Beatrice retrieved a gun she'd hidden in the room. She waited for them to turn around and then shot them. Because the door was closed and the room was on the second floor, no one heard the gunshots.

She started hauling Kyrie downstairs to put her corpse in the kitchen, but Gohda was already there. She decided to use him for the fifth twilight instead of Hideyoshi, and stabbed him in the chest with a stake. Eva arrived shortly afterwards, so Beatrice stabbed her in the stomach with a stake as well. Hideyoshi's and Kanon's corpses were left in Jessica's room since they weren't needed anymore.

>>5107
Ah, one revision to explain Eva's wound.

Beatrice was on her way back to Jessica's room to get another corpse when she heard Eva coming. She hid and waited for Eva to come out, then boldly walked down the hallway toward her, pretending that nothing was wrong. Eva ran up to tell her what she'd found, not realizing that there was anything wrong with "Shannon", and Beatrice suddenly stabbed her when she got close enough.

>>5107

Kanon leaned his body on the door, Beatrice took over for a second and locked the door, Kanon was outside it blocking, etc.

Not how Natsuhi died.

Kanon was outside the room. Shannon, Hideyoshi, and Kyrie died in there (Shannon dying from the internal conflict). Right before shannon was about to die, Kanon managed to untie his ropes with something sharp after the pounding stopped, then went in to save who he thought was Shannon, and leave the others for dead. Beatrice killed them in that room, but did nothing, Kanon is a mere accomplice.

>>5108

Eva was stabbed outside the kitchen, walking out. There was no murder weapon and very little blood. Eva looked as if she only had a hole in her stomach. (Forgot to mention that in the narrative, concocted this up over night in a rush pretty much)

>>5111
Because I've already shown how Beatrice could reach Natsuhi, and there are no details given about the manner of death, I submit that any kind of direct physical attack with or without a weapon is valid, and there is no need for me to specify. A witch's illusion has not been constructed for this twilight.

For the next deaths, what do you mean by "she did nothing"? Did nothing to Kanon? Physically did nothing in the room?

>>5112
Because there's so little blood, the weapon probably wasn't removed from Eva's body until after her death. On the other hand, a plugged stomach wound isn't immediately lethal. Beatrice probably stabbed her first to incapacitate her, but then suffocated her to kill her immediately without leaving additional wounds. Afterward, she removed the weapon.

>>5113

Natsuhi was not murdered directly.

The stab wound was lethal. The weapon used to the victim was never pulled out. The stab wound is the only thing that killed Eva.

So, the question is... What weapon can do all of that?

It's obvious isn't it? MAGIC!!!

>>5116
Useless, it's all useless! Eva was killed with an icicle, which was left to melt in the wound. Beatrice prepared it beforehand and got it out of the freezer in the kitchen!

As for Natsuhi... bah, I hate shotgunning without data. Did she have any apparent wounds?

Natsuhi also had some of the cheese dish. She did not die from nightmares as she is constantly suffering from her headaches.

either that or


Natsuhi overdosed on medication under directions from Shannontrice.

>>5122

An icicle wouldn't work~
What about the blood~

>>5123

She had no wounds, she looked rather tired however. No poisons or overdoses.

>>5131
After Eva was stabbed, she wandered off somewhere else, and the weapon fell out on its own. Then once the corpse stopped bleeding, Beatrice dragged it back to the kitchen without the weapon.

Or, the weapon was small enough that it could be hidden by driving it deeply into the wound. Rather than disappearing, it simply wasn't found!

Natsuhi wasn't murdered in the first place. She died a natural death due to stress and despair!

>>5144

The weapon dissapeared.

Natsuhi was murdered!

>>5145
Don't think you'll get away with just denying one of those theories. Repeat it. "Eva died instantly! Her body was never moved after death! No one touched the weapon after the murder!"

Natsuhi was murdered indirectly without leaving a wound, but the method wasn't gas, poison, suffocation, or heat, huh? Then she was electrocuted using a trap involving the lamp and Jessica's body. Beatrice set it up after Battler left the room.

>>5147

Eva didn't die instantly, since it was a stab to her stomach, but it matters not. Her body was never moved after death, she tried crawling to George in her last moments, but couldn't get anywhere significant. No one touched the weapon after the murder!

A part of Natsuhi was electrocuted, in a way, perhaps... Scrambled would be a better word for it.

>>5151
Scrambled...? In other words, Natsuhi suffered brain or personality death due to an electric shock disrupting her consciousness?

Guess I'd better have you clarify the meaning of "disappeared". Eva's wound didn't bleed because the the murder weapon was extremely hot and cauterized it. While Eva was crawling, the weapon fell out on its own, and Eva collapsed on it. No one moved her body, so they never realized it was there. Or else, perhaps Eva herself kicked it away after it fell out, and it rolled off somewhere. Since she didn't die until afterwards, it wouldn't count as "touching it after the murder".

Oh, and if you don't like regular fire and ice, how about ice that burns!? She was stabbed with a weapon made of dry ice which froze the wound on contact. Afterwards, the weapon quickly evaporated simply by being exposed to the air!

Yes, a dry ice dagger did it.

Sorry for late, virus.