>>5033

That is included in this game's definition of food.

>>5032

Yes, Ushiromiya Kinzo is dead. The setup act was during an earlier time period.

The victims killed themselves. And yet, it's considered murder. However, whether or not they scratch themselves to death is their own choice. Unless it was a situation in which they were sure to scratch their throats to the point of death, which would be difficult without imaginary drugs, the killer created a situation where whether or not they scratched their throats, they would have died regardless.

Repeat. "The victims would have died from a cause that was already progressing even if they didn't scratch their throats to death."

One of the ingredients Gohda used to prepare his dishes was swapped for something else. (eg. salt)Gohda did not realize the change of ingredients.

If Gohda sampled each of his dishes, he would have died that night as well.

Jessica, George, Maria, Rudolf and Krauss all ate at least one thing in common.

>>5036

The victims would have died from a cause that was already progressing even if they didn't scratch their throats to death

>>5035
The food was a selection process. Those that did not eat the main dish were selected for something.

>>5037

Jessica, George, Maria, Rudolf, Rosa and Krauss all ate at least one thing in common.

Gohda might have died later actually, if that were the case.

One of the ingredients being swapped is close enough. Now you just have to find out what could have done this.

>>5039

Denied.

To Ast

Eva, Natsuhi, Battler, Jessica, George, Maria, and Rosa didn't eat the main dish, they weren't very hungry.
The rest of the Ushiromiya family on the island ate sparsely, but much more.

The victims of the first twilight were Jessica, George, Maria, Rosa, Krauss, and Rudolf

In addition, we do not get confirmation whether Rosa died the same way as the other victims.

>>5043

She's part of the first twilight, same way as the other victims.

>>5040
Thanks for confirming Rosa for me, I wasn't sure as she never had an inspection, unlike the other victims.

So one of the ingredients being swapped (or something similar) lead to their deaths becoming inevitable.

You say Kumasawa is old to kill, but what do you mean by that? This method of killing is one that Kumasawa, who helps in the kitchen, could pull of. Regardless of her age.

>>5048

Because thinking of killing and putting it into motion, despite how easy it is... Makes her hurt all over because she's old, and can't access thoughts like that easily~ If she put it in action~ She's die~

>>5052
What nonsense. But this confirms Kumasawa isn't the culprit.

That conversation you have about love is interesting. A gameboard that has a piece of Beatrice's soul in it is, in a sense, unheard of around these parts. The initial culprit in all those games is the same. If all games followed that, it would be boring. It's little fun to just regurgitate the truth you were told elsewhere every time.

So, is Kanon, and Shannon, or rather, the body they inhabit, the one body that houses the culprit?

Who knows~ Shannon and Kanon cou~ld be different people~

>>5057
It would be good if they were. But the reason I ask is that if we try to finger the culprit and this is the case, "Kanon is the culprit" and "Shannon is the culprit" are right and wrong simultaneously.

The body that Shannon inhabits switched an ingredient in the food which would cause anyone who ate the food to die inevitably soon after.

The same body later killed itself with a gunshot, after placing a stake and a letter near itself.

The final died when the initial culprit was already dead.

>>5059
That should be "the final two."

>>5058

You know, I didn't read the "Trick" ending of Episode 8 of Umineko no Naku Koro ni.

If what you're saying is that the culprit was Beatrice herself in that game, there's no way I'd 100% know.

Yeah, you got me.

Beatrice is the culprit.

First Twilight: Shannon put some rotten goat cheese in on the counter, of course made it look ok. Gohda didn't notice the difference. (It looked virtually the same) The victims went to bed, each of them had a similar nightmare caused by the food poisoning the cheese caused them, they all just happened to have a nightmare of scratching their throats. If that didn't happen, they would have died later of food born illness.

Shannon and Beatrice had an internal conflict and Beatrice killed Shannon, mentally of course. Therefore, Shannon is dead. Beatrice portrayed Shannon's death to the people to see, and killed Kumasawa after that.

So tell me, how did the survivors die?

>>5061
An explosion.

>>5062

Explosion is close, but think more mundane.

>>5063
A gunshot? Since the body Shannon inhabited was not actually dead if it was able to kill Kumasawa, there's nothing stopping Beatrice from continuing to kill.

>>5064


The survivors had a lot of sweat in that room.

>>5065
You're saying they died in a fire?

>>5066
Less hot.

>>5068
Dehydration? Heat stroke? Suffocation from smoke?

>>5069

Close enough.

They died from heat in the closed room. The culprit barricaded the door after they went in, knowing there was a trap.

>>5071
I see. Is that it, then?

I'll post the ending, then we'll solve the rest of the murders with red and blue.

Just for reference, this is piece Beato talking, not me.

[[Last Act and Tenth Twilight]]

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BGM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXlDkINMxM
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There I was.. Still alive somehow...

Wind.. Cold wind was blowing in the anything but desolate room, there was a bed, it seemed to belong to a very rich person..

However, something even a very rich person wouldn't see in his life was there.

It was a wall of gold, there appeared to be atleast 10 tons worth of it there.

Next to that wall, a girl was touching it, no.. A girl wouldn't detail this person.. It was much to dark to see this person.

As a few minutes past, this girl moved, as she moved, a few golden butterflies could be seen.

The golden butterflies congregated and began to fill up the room.. Slowly, but surely the room began to become brighter, only to a pleasurable point.

There, I could see, a beautiful woman, golden pasta-like hair and.. That unmistakable 10 tons of gold to the right of her.

No.. This was not just a beautiful woman, this woman.. Had a divine look to her.

In my childhood, stories depicted witches that looked like old hags and ate people or whatever but...

This was definitely a witch, that was her aura, and yet.. Beautiful.

It was odd however, such a beautiful witch who could control magic did not seem happy, no...

She wasn't happy at all, almost like it was a playground and no one else would play her game of tic tac toe, or four squares.

I really do wonder if she murdered my family.. She's the only person it could be the culprit at this point.. But..

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BGM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hJ7SfceTWw
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Witch: "You, how long have you been here?"

Me: "..."

Witch: "..Well, how long?"

Me: "......Only a few minutes.. My family is dead."

Witch: "..."

Me: "..You are the culprit, that's the only way possible.. Everyone else is DEAD!!!"

The witch seemed surprised.. Then her face saddened, she looked like a sad doll with her head down.

Witch: "..."

Me: "Why.. Why did you do this.. WHY GODDAMNIT!??!?!?!"

Witch: "......."

I picked up a winchester rifle, that was next to me.. One of that angry old man's rifle's.

Me: "Explain why and how you did it, as well as you're name.. Before I kill you."

Witch: "..."

I clutched my gun tightly in agony.. This type of situation.. I didn't like at all.

Witch: "..Because you forgot. You forgot our promise.."

The witch began to cry, I knew I shouldn't feel sorry for her.. but I did.. Warm tears dropped from my eyes...
I began to remember a clouded memory.. This memory.. No.. D.. Da.. DAMNIT. I forgot THIS?! After everything that happened with my mother..
It doesn't justify it.. I.. I should die too.. I'm the cause of all of this.. I can't believe it.. But..

Me: "..What is you're name?"

Witch: "Beatrice.. No, I'm Beatrice's granddaugter.. I'm Sayo, no.. I'm her lonelyness, who became a witch.."
Beatrice: "I'm her love for you, which I took on. Sayo loves George, but I don't.. I love you."

Me: "..Why did you kill them.."

Beatrice: "As soon as I noticed that you didn't remember.. I decided to enact my plan.."
Beatrice: "..To kill the Ushiromiya family.. To kill you. To gouge you're heart by killing your family, then blow a bullet into you're head.. but.."
Beatrice: "...I just can't seem to kill you."

I noticed there was a gun next to Beatrice, she could have killed me all this time.. Why? Why didn't she just shoot me? Love?

Me: "..Why haven't you shot me yet? I'm a threat aren't I? You killed my entire family.. WHY DON'T YOU JUST KILL ME TO!?"

I blinked my eyes as I cried, in that moment she ran up to me and grabbed ahold of me before I could do anything.. She was.. hugging me?

In tears.. She said she loved me.. That she couldn't kill me even if she wanted to.

I had my finger on the trigger.. The gun was pointed right at her side.. Damnit.. Why can't I just shoot her.. What's holding me back..

Beatrice: "I'm sorry Battler, this was all a stupid thing to do.. ...Escape to Kuwadorian, it's far away, but this tunnel will take you there."
Beatrice: "The bomb will blow up half of this island.. The police won't be able to suspect you or anyone properly if half the island is gone.."
Beatrice: "Goodbye.. Battler, I.. I really do love you!--"

Just as she said that, I heard a gunshot and felt a rumble in my hand, Beatrice pulled the trigger.. She knew it was aimed at her..

...

I.. I laid there.. for atleast 20 minutes.. Thinking.. Reassorting my head..

I pushed her off of me gently, then went to Kuwadorian.. I forced myself along that path, I still had to return to Ange..

I eventually got to Kuwadorian, it was a lovely looking place, but none of that mattered to me.. Today I lost everything.. No, not everything but..

I lost my love.. I lost my family.. The only thing I have is Ange now..

...

After a day, there was a huge rumble that shook everything.. But I didn't care..

...

The storm shortly passed after that.. My head was hurting horribly.. But I still didn't care.

...

Eventually, the police arrived and found me.. I lost track of time at that point.. How many days have I been here..

The police asked me things.. I never responded.. I just simply didn't care, it was too painful to..

I was carried out of that island.. I saw Ange at the harbor.. There was a little glint in my eyes.. But only a little.

I was taken to a mental health facility, people said all kinds of disorders and traumas and what not.. I still didn't care..

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BGM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_nEcivlBLE
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...

Apparently Ange was taken in by the Sumadera family, I.. I can't help but care.

Everything but Ange was gone.. I asked to leave the mental health facility, I was at an age where I could do that, so they allowed it.

I somehow or another managed to get to Ange, the Sumadera family let me in, and allowed me to stay a few months.. Until I could get back on my feet and take care of Ange.

There's more to this story.. But it's not worth telling... So I'll stop here.

I'll see Beatrice in hell, heaven, wherever eventually.. She was the effect of my cause, but I still love her..

When the seagulls cried.. No one was left alive..

Goodbye, my beloved witch.

...

[[End]]

What murders are there left to solve?

>>5076

Second-Ninth twilight.

Don't forget to enjoy the ending I made.

>>5079
I read it. For now I think I'll leave it to the others though, I was just taking their theories and guessing anyway.

Have fun, Beato.

>>5080

Well you're pretty damn good, Will.

We should play more often, next time you make a mystery!

>>5080

Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice led Hideyoshi and Kyrie into Jessica`s room and killed them via method X.

Shannon gave Natsuhi a more traditional poison under the pretense of trying to calm Natsuhi down. She died in her sleep.

As a magical explanation has not been given for the deaths for Nanjo/Genji and Gohda one does not need to be given

When Eva discovered the corpses, Shannon was also in the room. When Eva turned her back Shannon stabbed her from behind.

>>5089

Eva felt the sharp pain in the front of her stomach, not the back.

Natuhi died of something else.

Shannon and Kanon are different people.

Shannon, Kyrie, and Hideyoshi went into the room of their own free will, no being lead.

Shannon is innocent, Beatrice is the culprit, remember?

>>5100
Well if you want to make them separate bodies, I guess I don't have to worry about Kanon being tied up.

After Battler inspected the 1st twilight corpses, he left Shannon alone in the bedroom. Beatrice took control, waited for Natsuhi to arrive, and killed her (perhaps by surprising her and suffocating her). Then she rejoined the survivors in the parlor and switching back to Shannon.

Later, while Hideyoshi, Kyrie, and Kanon were trying to wake Natsuhi, Beatrice retrieved a gun she'd hidden in the room. She waited for them to turn around and then shot them. Because the door was closed and the room was on the second floor, no one heard the gunshots.

She started hauling Kyrie downstairs to put her corpse in the kitchen, but Gohda was already there. She decided to use him for the fifth twilight instead of Hideyoshi, and stabbed him in the chest with a stake. Eva arrived shortly afterwards, so Beatrice stabbed her in the stomach with a stake as well. Hideyoshi's and Kanon's corpses were left in Jessica's room since they weren't needed anymore.

>>5107
Ah, one revision to explain Eva's wound.

Beatrice was on her way back to Jessica's room to get another corpse when she heard Eva coming. She hid and waited for Eva to come out, then boldly walked down the hallway toward her, pretending that nothing was wrong. Eva ran up to tell her what she'd found, not realizing that there was anything wrong with "Shannon", and Beatrice suddenly stabbed her when she got close enough.

>>5107

Kanon leaned his body on the door, Beatrice took over for a second and locked the door, Kanon was outside it blocking, etc.

Not how Natsuhi died.

Kanon was outside the room. Shannon, Hideyoshi, and Kyrie died in there (Shannon dying from the internal conflict). Right before shannon was about to die, Kanon managed to untie his ropes with something sharp after the pounding stopped, then went in to save who he thought was Shannon, and leave the others for dead. Beatrice killed them in that room, but did nothing, Kanon is a mere accomplice.

>>5108

Eva was stabbed outside the kitchen, walking out. There was no murder weapon and very little blood. Eva looked as if she only had a hole in her stomach. (Forgot to mention that in the narrative, concocted this up over night in a rush pretty much)

>>5111
Because I've already shown how Beatrice could reach Natsuhi, and there are no details given about the manner of death, I submit that any kind of direct physical attack with or without a weapon is valid, and there is no need for me to specify. A witch's illusion has not been constructed for this twilight.

For the next deaths, what do you mean by "she did nothing"? Did nothing to Kanon? Physically did nothing in the room?

>>5112
Because there's so little blood, the weapon probably wasn't removed from Eva's body until after her death. On the other hand, a plugged stomach wound isn't immediately lethal. Beatrice probably stabbed her first to incapacitate her, but then suffocated her to kill her immediately without leaving additional wounds. Afterward, she removed the weapon.

>>5113

Natsuhi was not murdered directly.

The stab wound was lethal. The weapon used to the victim was never pulled out. The stab wound is the only thing that killed Eva.

So, the question is... What weapon can do all of that?

It's obvious isn't it? MAGIC!!!

>>5116
Useless, it's all useless! Eva was killed with an icicle, which was left to melt in the wound. Beatrice prepared it beforehand and got it out of the freezer in the kitchen!

As for Natsuhi... bah, I hate shotgunning without data. Did she have any apparent wounds?

Natsuhi also had some of the cheese dish. She did not die from nightmares as she is constantly suffering from her headaches.

either that or


Natsuhi overdosed on medication under directions from Shannontrice.

>>5122

An icicle wouldn't work~
What about the blood~

>>5123

She had no wounds, she looked rather tired however. No poisons or overdoses.

>>5131
After Eva was stabbed, she wandered off somewhere else, and the weapon fell out on its own. Then once the corpse stopped bleeding, Beatrice dragged it back to the kitchen without the weapon.

Or, the weapon was small enough that it could be hidden by driving it deeply into the wound. Rather than disappearing, it simply wasn't found!

Natsuhi wasn't murdered in the first place. She died a natural death due to stress and despair!

>>5144

The weapon dissapeared.

Natsuhi was murdered!

>>5145
Don't think you'll get away with just denying one of those theories. Repeat it. "Eva died instantly! Her body was never moved after death! No one touched the weapon after the murder!"

Natsuhi was murdered indirectly without leaving a wound, but the method wasn't gas, poison, suffocation, or heat, huh? Then she was electrocuted using a trap involving the lamp and Jessica's body. Beatrice set it up after Battler left the room.

>>5147

Eva didn't die instantly, since it was a stab to her stomach, but it matters not. Her body was never moved after death, she tried crawling to George in her last moments, but couldn't get anywhere significant. No one touched the weapon after the murder!

A part of Natsuhi was electrocuted, in a way, perhaps... Scrambled would be a better word for it.

>>5151
Scrambled...? In other words, Natsuhi suffered brain or personality death due to an electric shock disrupting her consciousness?

Guess I'd better have you clarify the meaning of "disappeared". Eva's wound didn't bleed because the the murder weapon was extremely hot and cauterized it. While Eva was crawling, the weapon fell out on its own, and Eva collapsed on it. No one moved her body, so they never realized it was there. Or else, perhaps Eva herself kicked it away after it fell out, and it rolled off somewhere. Since she didn't die until afterwards, it wouldn't count as "touching it after the murder".

Oh, and if you don't like regular fire and ice, how about ice that burns!? She was stabbed with a weapon made of dry ice which froze the wound on contact. Afterwards, the weapon quickly evaporated simply by being exposed to the air!

Yes, a dry ice dagger did it.

Sorry for late, virus.