>>4337
Could you elaborate on what you mean when you say "directly"?

>>4340
The culprit took an action and because of that action, within a matter of seconds the victim died.

Example: Pulled a trigger on a blowgun.

>>4341
Well then a trap was used.
You've been avoiding it for the last two blues and this would still fall under the definition of "directly" if when he activated it while outside of the room it killed them in matter of seconds.

>>4343
And how did the culprit activate such a trap? Please do explain.

>>4344
Devil's Proof.
Unless you can deny a trap was used then this is solved.

>>4345
Fine you asked for it~

A trap is not the thing that killed them.

Perhaps a needle of some sort. I'm sure if a small needle were to strike them in the aorta, the sheer pressure of the blood would cause a larger wound and cause internal bleeding. The small size of the pierce through the dermis and epidermis would keep blood from escaping the body altogether is any sizable amount

>>4346
Your definition of trap?

>>4347
.....
That is correct. The weapon is a needle.

>>4348
Any device or plan for tricking a person or thing into being caught unawares.

One of the victims gave the culprit a chance to kill them by opening the door. In any case the culprit was in the hallway when they killed Natsuhi and Krauss.

>>4349
A single needle strike that resulted in instant death caused by a strike to: the lower brain stem, the heart, a large/important vein/artery, etc.

>>4351
And Eva's seal didn't break because?

>>4352
The needle did not strike the brain/heart/important artery.

>>4353
Busting the door down caused said needle(s) to be projected (perhaps it was on the back of the door or something). This may not be called a trap if someone helping to bust the door down intentionally designed it this way.

I'm pretty sure we all know by now there are many ways to get around that seal.
The door opened at least once during the time Natsuhi, Krauss, and Erika entered, to the time the other group broke down the door.

Oh speaking of which I forgot, poison was on the needle.
You were avoiding that just as much as the trap part.

>>4355
The needle was not attached to the door.

>>4356
Yes.
The needle was coated with poison.

Eva's seal was in the same spot it was in when Eva first placed it.

And the door gets opened without breaking the seal how?

>>4357
lolwut
It's the receipt seal. It's one of the weakest in this setting.
The seal was simple noticed and put back in the exact place it was found.

They were both murdered by the same one person at around the same time by the same weapon.

>>4358
If the seal had been moved at all, Eva would have noticed.

>>4359
They were both murdered by the same one person.

Natsuhi and Krauss died less then a minute apart.

>>4360
Are you sure the seal really matters that much? After all,
The culprit never entered the study when Natsuhi Krauss and Erika were in it.

>>4363
The needle either reached in or was projected into the room. This was perhaps done through the gap between the door and the door frame.

>>4362
That is correct. It doesn't matter much. It did just what a seal should do. Prevent anyone from entering.

During this game the culprit did not enter the study until after Krauss and Natsuhi's deaths.

>>4364
How would that be able to kill Natsuhi and Krauss? Reguardless.

No needle entered the room through the gap in the door and the doorframe.

>>4365
Perfect then. I'll go back to my old theory.
The difference being, The culprit hid inside the study after killing Krauss and Natsuhi

>>4367
The culprit was not hiding in the study when the group broke down the door.

>>4368
After the culprit killed the victims the culprit only entered the room once the door was broken down with the others.

>>4370
That is correct.

During this game the only time the culprit could have entered the study would be after the door was broken down.

Neither Natsuhi Krauss or Erika ever touched a window in the study.

>>4373
Neither Natsuhi, Krauss or Erika ever touched a window in the study.

>>4374
Seconds before/after Natsuhi and or Krauss died one of the entrances was open.

>>4375
Incorrect

Well it's good to see you're not being as cruel as I expected.
The needle was planted into the room before the victims entered, then the culprit caused it to stab the victims using method X.

>>4377
The needle was not in the study when Natsuhi, Erika, and Krauss entered.

The needle entered the room through some place other then the main door and windows.

>>4379
For the needle to enter the room it would need to enter through the main entrance or a window.

The needle can only get into the study when one of the windows or main door is open.

Just making sure, in the map you gave us, all the rooms shown count as Kinzo's study correct?

>>4381
I refuse.

And yes that is correct. All rooms on the map are "Kinzo's Study."

>>4382
The needle is no longer in the room.

>>4383
Correct.

The needle is no longer in the room.

Well then I don't think there is much we can solve here. Unless I'm wrong when I thinkThe culprit used a alternative entrance to push the needle into the room, prick the victims, and then pull it out.

>>4385
Only way for the needle to enter is the main door or one of the windows.

>>4389
Then it exited via a freaking drain or something in the bathroom. How it got in I'll just say Devil's Proof and leave it for later.

>>4394
The needle did not go down the drain.

>>4395
The needle left the room the same way it came into the room.

>>4396
That is correct.

One of the windows were removed.

A hole was made in one of the windows

>>4398
None of the windows were removed.

There is not a hole in any of the windows.

>>4399
There is a hole in the door.

The door was removed in a way to keep the seal in place.

>>4400
My friend says I should give it you so, I declare this twilight solved.

The culprit made a tiny hole in the doorknob. Then they set up a trap to go off and scare Natsuhi and Krauss to make them want to leave the room. They waited for someone to try and grab the knob. When that happened the culprit stabbed the needle through the hole and into the victims hand. Natsuhi didn't understand what happened when Krauss died, so she grabbed the key and tried to leave through the door just as Krauss did, but the culprit stabbed her hand when she grasped the knob.

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