Whatever this is. It is really buggy. It fails to load anything or gets stuck in the loading process and remains just a black screen. Which does nothing, so you have to close it out and start all over again.

>>2916
Here is just a black screen and the text. Well, I didn't put the folder inside WH's folder.

I am having fun with this game.

>>2917
That isn't what I meant.

I know the thing, doesn't have any pictures or sprites, sounds, music, etc.

What I mean is that sometimes it messes up and stays completely black, with no text whatsoever.

>>2918
Yeah, unfortunately I had that happen too, but I thought I fixed it. It's probably an infinite loop, but oh well.

I'll get the red and blue started then, if you guys are ready.

At 6:00 PM on October 4th, Ushiromiya Maria received a letter from the Golden Witch, Beatrice.

The portrait in the entrance hall clearly showed the figure of this witch, also displaying her riddle, her challenge to the family. If the riddle were to be solved, the ten tons of gold would be theirs.

The adults were outraged at the witch's letter during dinner, urging them to solve the riddle. When they knocked on Kinzo's door asking for answers, there was no response, and they went away unsatisfied.

Some time later, Rudolf told Battler and Kyrie in private that he 'might be killed tonight'.

In addition, Krauss showed Natsuhi a single gold bar, enforcing the idea that the gold was more than legendary.

Earlier that day, Maria had given Jessica and Battler two scorpion charms to repel magic.

The charms continued to remain in their possession the whole night.

Thus ends the first day, October 4th, 1986.

The next morning, six people had gone missing, and there was a huge uproar.

The First Twilight:

Kyrie: severed limbs, found in the chapel
Shannon: severed limbs, found in the chapel
Genji: no visible wounds, found in the chapel
Krauss: severed limbs, found in the chapel
Rudolf: head smashed, found in the chapel
Jessica: torso sliced in half, found in the chapel

The door to the chapel was locked when the corpses were discovered. The key to the chapel's door was found on a table inside the chapel at the same time!

Go on, tell me how this was a crime possible using human tricks!

>>2920
The culprit lured everyone into the chapel, then once each one of the victims were dead the culprit left the key on the table and exited through the bell tower.

>>2922
There is no bell tower on this chapel!

>>2923
Heh, better safe then sorry!
Genji is alive, he simply faked his death with a drug and left the key on the table.

>>2924
There is no drug that could fake someone's death on Rokkenjima!

And before you suggest it, this game takes place on Rokkenjima, nowhere else!

>>2925
Either way there are a few tricks that could be used to fake his death. He could have used the trick where you put a tennis ball or something of the sort under the armpit to stop the flow of blood to the arm!

Of course we all know the loopholes in this logic. Nanjo could have used his jugular to check for the pulse among other things etc.

>>2926
None of the first twilight victims faked their deaths.

>>2927
Who is alive and Who is dead? because You can say : all the victims? but who are the victims are obviously the dead, and someone who was a victim it was obviously killed

There are less than 6 victims!!

>>2928
There are exactly six victims.

>>2929
People who faked their death aren't victims.

>>2930
Exactly, so no one faked their death.

>>2931
Unless if one of the victims was not found in the chapel. Then they would still be one of the six victims but they would not found until later~

Well anyway I'll take your word on it for now.
The culprit was simply hiding inside the chapel when the bodies where discovered.

>>2932
The culprit did not hide in the chapel.

>>2933
The culprit did not leave through the door.

>>2933

The culprit, died before he could escape

>>2934
Then where DID they leave from?

>>2935
The culprit is still alive.

>>2936
Oh you.
The culprit left through the window.

>>2936

Someone replaced the door with a new one.
This isnt a closed room!

>>2937
The culprit did not leave through any window!

>>2938
The door was not replaced!

>>2939
The culprit entered in the room and killed them with method x
if this is false, then
The culprit didnt need to be inside to kill everyone

>>2939
The culprit never entered the chapel in the fist place

>>2942
*first

>>2941
Method X? You mean magiiiiiiiiiiic?!

>>2942
And then killed them with that beloved Method X, riiiiiiiight?!

>>2944
can you please repeat it in red?~~~~

So that we can make sure it was certainly done with magic~~

>>2944
You think I would use method X? Ahaha
The the bodies were shoved through the window, thus the culprit never entered the chapel.

>>2945
The culprit didn't need to be inside to kill everyone!

>>2946
The windows can only be locked from the inside, and they were locked from the inside when the corpses were discovered! Explain that, if you can!

The victims were killed by a trap

>>2947
The window was removed and then put back after the deed was done.

>>2949
None of the victims were killed by a trap!
>>2950
None of the windows were removed!

>>2951
Tell me your definition of trap

>>2951
The windows may not have been removed but it says nothing about them being intact. With a great fit of rage the culprit picked up the bodies and threw them through the windows! Before he did so though he cut Kyrie, Shannon and Kruass into bits and pieces so he would have enough to break every single window. Although in his fit he broke one window with his own fist. Saddened by the blood running down his fist he then threw Genji's body in as well. Thus not entering the chapel.

>>2952
Trap - a device set up previously, which is activated either by a trigger or remote control, and when activated kills the victim.

>>2953
And none of the windows were broken. They are all still perfectly intact!

>>2954

The culprit have a master key!

>>2954
The culprit was under the floor?

>>2919
Poor Kinjo, every thing you make is full of bugs. They love you.

I'll try something, before thinking hard.

The door was removed/broken off, and never put back on, thus it was never replaced. It is still locked, but it is not in the way. Therefore allowing anyone to enter the room.

>>2954
The culprit was a alpaca.

But in all seriousness.
There is another exit/entrance besides the windows and door that the culprit used.

>>2955
Master keys are irrelevant to this mystery! They cannot open the chapel door!
>>2956
The culprit was not under the floor!
>>2957
The door was never removed from its place! It is still perfectly intact!
>>2958
The culprit is not an alpaca! And the door and windows are the only entrances/exits to the chapel!

>>2954
>Trap - a device set up previously, which is activated either by a trigger or remote control, and when activated kills the victim.

So by your definition a gun is a trap.

>>2959
there is a hole in the wall, the culprit killed them ,with a gun or a chiester, the hole in the wall is small enough for a bullet to fin in.

>>2960
I thought about that after I wrote it.
>set up previously

That's the only way I can get out of that one.

By the way, there aren't any holes in the walls big enough for a bullet to fit through.

>>2962
the murder was something the culprit wasnt expecting.So they either died for accident, or by impulse the Culprit killed the victims.

>>2959
The key entered the chapel after the windows and door was locked. Preferable a skylight in the roof.

>>2963
The murders were premeditated.
>>2964
There is no skylight on the roof.

>>2962
Sorry. But I won't allow you worm your way out.

>Trap - a device set up previously, which is activated either by a trigger or remote control, and when activated kills the victim.

Gun, is something that was set up and put together previously by the maker.

When the 'TRIGGER' is pulled, it works.
________________________________________

Poison is a trap, correct.

The type of poison is a chemical previously created.

When it enters the body, it is triggered and activated, and harms the body.

In short, by your definition a gun and poison is a trap.

I wonder if I can apply that to other stuff as well~

>>2966
oh you Rosa

>>2965
The Murders were planned , however....the method of murder was something Improvised

>>2966
If you want to reason that way, go right ahead.~

>>2967
The method of murder was not improvised!

>>2965
Hopefully this isn't just me over analyzing.
>The door to the chapel was locked when the corpses were discovered.
At this time there was less than 6 corpses.

>>2969
At the time the corpses were discovered, the six corpses were present.

>>2968
I could probably provide every possible weapon under that definition of yours but that wouldn't be any fun.

Genji was poisoned.
Genji was smothered to death.
There are no visible wounds, but there are wounds on Genji's bodies, just when he is wearing clothes they are not visible.

>>2970
The survivors did not entered the same way the culprit did.

>>2971
Genji was not poisoned, and the wounds were not visible under his clothes either.
...I'll have to surrender Genji's death to you, however. Your second blue hits.

>>2972
What exactly does that prove?

>>2973
pfft
The culprit made them , wear something or he put something on their clothes , that something killed them

>>2974
The culprit did not make the victims wear anything, or put something on their clothes which killed them.

>>2973
That was the one I expected. The first was just to check if you were following what I said before. One after was for future ideas.

Anyway.

The door can be locked without the key.

>>2976
Only from the inside.

>>2973
Well, because the way you worded the red in the start. You explained it so that at the time the people found the bodies the door was still locked, and they were also inside the chapel at the same time finding the key on the table. So that's why I posted those last two blues.

Anyway I'll try to clear more fog.
The forming of the closed room was not intended.

>>2978
The construction of the closed room was completely intentional.

>>2979
the door was open and locked when the murders happened, but the culprit restrained the victims so that they couldnt escape

>>2979
The reason you were able to say that the culprit wasn't hiding in the room is because,
He was actually in plain sight!

>>2980
The door to the chapel was shut and locked when the murders took place!
>>2981
The only humans in the chapel the moment before the corpses were discovered were the corpses themselves! No one else!!!

>>2982
Only Humans are involved in this murder.

>>2979
You said that no window was removed, nor were any windows broken. However;

One of the windows was taken out before October 5th, So there was an open space, with no glass.

Since it was already gone, it wasn't removed nor broken referring to the time that red takes place.

The culprit left the chapel through the door, then threw the key into the chapel using the open space.

And since there is no glass or lock on this window, it can't be locked there by sneaking by the red of the window being locked because it can't be.

>>2983
That's rather specific. Humans are not the only things involved in these murders.

>>2984
There were no empty spaces in place of the windows. The windows were all there, and are all still intact!

The windows can only be locked by a human.

>>2986
Well, sure. Your blue hits.

>>2985
Certainly , the culprit, was outside SO HE SENT A TRAINED GORILLA TO MURDER, THEN , THE GORILLA SLIPPED AND DIED.

The culprit left, and one of the victims locked the door/window.

>>2988
Nope, no gorillas.

>>2987
The window was locked from the inside, when the human who locked it was outside.

Basically, force+window=locked. So depending on the type of window the culprit could have slipped out of the window, then the window locked on it's own etc.

>>2989
However, all the victims were found dead in the morning.

No dead person can lock a door or window.

>>2991
The windows cannot be locked from the outside.

>>2992
Baka Kinjo. They weren't dead when they locked the door/window.

They died after locked the door/window.

>>2993
Well, you didn't really deny my theory. The culprit would be outside, but the window would still lock from the inside. Deny it etc.

Here is another one while your denying that.
The victims where killed outside of the chapel then brought to it.

>>2994
Very well, I surrender the First Twilight...!

The Second Twilight:

Kinzo: burnt, found in the rose garden
Kumasawa: stabbed in the head, found in Krauss's study

Demonic stakes were found lying next to each corpse.

The door to Krauss's study was locked at the time of the discovery of Kumasawa's corpse.
However, Kumasawa's master key was in her pocket, inside Krauss's study.

Try and solve that!

>>2997
Closed room where?

>>2997
Well Kinzo's body was burnt and dragged to the rose garden.

That much is obvious. As for Kumasawa...
One of the other master keys was used.

And for an actual theory...
The moment before opening the locked door to find Kumasawa dead she was alive.

>>2999
The key to Krauss's study is currently in Krauss's pocket, inside the chapel!
Shannon's master key is currently inside Shannon's pocket, inside the chapel!
Genji's master key is currently inside Genji's pocket, inside the chapel!
Kanon's master key was not used to lock the door to Krauss's study!
Gohda's master key was not used to lock the door to Krauss's study!

>>2999
Like I said on livestream: You never said that Shannon's and Genji's Master Key were with them on first twillight. So it's possible that are 4 Master Keys with Mr./Mrs. Culprit.

And I want you to repeat in red: "Only Kinzo's Key [Kinzo's Room/Study Room Key] can only open Study Room's door."

>>3000
I'll give you Kinzo's death, Ozaki. Not much there.

Kumasawa was dead one moment before the door was opened, when discovering her corpse.

>>3001
More than those keys exist that can lock that door.
The door can be locked from the outside without one of those aforementioned keys. Through lock-picking and other methods.

>>3001
Mr./Mrs. Culprit made a copy (that doesn't work) of one Master Key -- Genji or Shannon's Master Key. That isn't important -- and put it inside Genji's/Shannon's pocket. This action doesn't contradict your red about Genji's or Shannon's Master Key. The culprit used the original one to lock the door and commit the crime!

>>3003
Although that could be the case, what about this.
Kumasawa was actually alive before they unlocked the door. Once the door was open and they discovered the corpse she was dead.

>>3004
Only the five master keys and Krauss's key to his study can unlock the door to Krauss's study!
The door cannot be locked from the outside without the aforementioned keys!

>>3005
There are only five master keys! No duplicates exist!

>>3009
Kumasawa was dead at least 10 minutes before they unlocked the door. When they discovered her corpse, she was certainly dead!

>>3010
Well then.
Krauss's study was actually in the chapel. The culprit used one of the master keys while it was still in the owner's pocket!

>>3011
Krauss's study is not inside the chapel!

>>3010
Kumasawa was an old lady. Probably had some health problems. So I can easily say that Kumasawa had an health problem (heart attack, brains stuff. This doesn't matter) and die.

Now, about the wound on her head: The stake was near her body, so the stake didn't kill Kumasawa: Some weapon did the job for the stake. What weapon? Devil's proof: It doesn't matter at all!

Ooooorrr....

Kumasawa died by accident, due to the fact that she died some moments before everyone open the door.

Now, about Mr./Mrs. Culprit: He/She might be hidden at some place in Krauss's Study.

>>3010
A needle was threaded through Kumasawa's pocket with string attached. Taped to the other end is her master key. The culprit went outside the door, locked it and then pulled on the needle and pulled it until the key went under the door/around the door and into her pocket, the tape slipped off and the string went back to the culprit on the other side of the door.

>>3012
Dang, even the best answer isn't correct!? Fine then.
Krauss has two studies!

>>3013
Kumasawa's death was not due to a medical condition!
Kumasawa's death was a murder, completely intentional! Not an accident!
The culprit is not hiding in Krauss's study!

>>3015
Of all of the doors that exist on Rokkenjima, none has a crack through which a key can slip.

>>3016
Krauss only has one study!

>>3017
Kumasawa murdered herself! Kumasawa's other personality killed her, therefore it is not suicide, but murder.

>>3018
Kumasawa did not kill herself. Regardless of any split personalities she may have.

>>3019
You never said that Knox's Rules are valid at this game, I say: Secret passage! Secret passages everywhere!

Or Like First Twillight, Mr./Mrs. Culprit didn't need to get into Krauss's Study. Some trap was activated and killed her!

>>3017
The chapel is inside the study!.

>>3021
Anyway back on track.
After the door was unlocked they didn't investigate the room right away.

>>3020
The only entrances/exits in Krauss's study are the door and window! No hidden passages exist in his study!
I'm a bit hesitant to reuse my definition of "trap", so I'd like theories regarding those to be a bit more specific.
>>3021
The chapel is not inside the study!

>>3023
The culprit shot Kumasawa from outside the room.

>>3022
The survivors investigated right away.

Kumasawa's "stab wound" was actually made by a bullet.

>>3024
>>3026
The culprit did not shoot Kumasawa with a gun from outside the room! The wound was not made by a bullet!

>>3025
Kumasawa died in the kitchen.

>>3028
What's your point?

>>3027
Kumasawa was lowered into the room via a hole in the ceiling.

Or she was placed in the room via a hole under the flooring.

>>3023
Your definition of trap is: A device set up previously, which is activated either by a trigger or remote control, and when activated kills the victim.

On Kumasawa's case, a trap was prepared for her, however she DIDN'T die when the trap was activated! And the weapon could be the stake, because you never said that the stake wasn't use to murder her!

>>3029
They unlocked the door to another room instead of the one to the room that Kumasawa was actually inside of.

>>3031
When the trap was activated, she didn't die. She died by blood loss due to the stake.

Kumasawa actually doesn't have a stab wound. It is just fake made with make-up. And she was actually poisoned.

>>3030
>>3034
There are no holes in the ceiling, on the floor, or on the sides of the room large enough for Kumasawa to fit through!
Kumasawa was not poisoned, and she had a real stab wound!

>>3031
>>3033
I'll give you this much. The stake was propelled through her head by human hands!

>>3032
Nice black text there.

>>3035
The key was placed in the room via a hole in ceiling, wall, or floor.

Kumasawa was stabbed after she died.

>>3035
Repeat in red: "At the time that Kumasawa was murdered, Krauss's Key/Shannon's Key/Genji's Key was in his/her pocket at the chapel".

Reapt in red: "Like the First Twillight, the culprit wasn't inside the study at the time Kumasawa was murdered".

So, I need to give some shots on gameboard...

The culprit is the same in any Rokkenjima murder.
The culprit has no accomplices in the First or Second Twilights.
The culprit killed all this people "in person", not manipulating anyone.
There is no more than one culprit.
Knox or Van Dine rules does applies.

Sorry for my bad english, anyway.

>>3039
Welcome to /seacats/, Poirot! Have fun here with everyone and destroy Kinjo's Illusion of Witch!

And, just for don't lose this post on conversation:
Kumasawa was sort of a accomplice, but she betrayed Mr./Mrs. culprit and got killed. She helped him/her to escape from Krauss's study, but didn't know that woulb be killed.

The window was not locked. The culprit went out the window after locking the door.

>>3036
The key was not placed in the room via a hole in the ceiling, wall, or floor.
>>3037
Kumasawa was not stabbed after she died.
>>3038
At the time that Kumasawa was murdered, Krauss's Key/Shannon's Key/Genji's Key was in his/her pocket at the chapel.
Like the First Twillight, the culprit wasn't inside the study at the time Kumasawa was murdered.
>>3039
There is only one culprit, the same for all murders.
The culprit is allowed to have accomplices.
The culprit killed them "in person".
Not all of the Knox and Van Dine may apply.

Kumasawa opened the window for some air, the culprit "propelled" the stake into her head thus killing her. The window then locked because it's the type of window to lock when you put enough pressure onto it.

>>3040
Kumasawa was not an accomplice, and did not help the culprit escape!
>>3041
The window was locked!

>>3043
The stake was not "propelled" in any way through the window!

>>3044
If you would be so kind as to provide a description and picture of the type of lock on the windows.

But the accomplice question is not totally done.

The culprit has allowed to have accomplices, AND he has accomplices.

Some accomplices died in the First or Second Twilight. Maybe in both.

Kumasawa-san died stabbed. The culprit used his own master key to lock the door or the Krauss personal key for his room.

Master keys can open Krauss's study room.

Krauss has a separated key for his study room.

>>3045
Kumasawa had to remove the window to clean it, so stake was propelled through the opening where the window normally is.

>>3045
Repeat in red: "The demoniac stake was stored into Krauss's Study since the start. In short: The stake was into Krauss's study all time".

>>3046
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casement_window

>>3047
Your first two blues are effective.

Even if Kumasawa was stabbed to death, how was it possible? The keys were found in the pockets of their owners, as I said here: >>3001

Naturally, the master keys can open Krauss's study, and so can the original key to the room.

>>3049
The window was never removed! And it is still perfectly intact!

>>3050
I refuse to repeat it.

>>3051
I have a theory , what if he throw the knife while kumasawa was facing the other direction?
and the knife landed on kumasawa's head.

>>3051
The culprit used Meta's or Sakutarou's theory.

Daggers, knifes, stakes... It's not hard surprise an old lady with a fatal blow. The human body is so weak.

The culprit doesn't need Kumasawa's Master Key. He could use any Master Key in the house. And Krauss could have a copy of his own key.

Krauss could be the accomplished dead in the First Twilight, and then, betrayed.

>>3051
I'll follow Mr. Poirot's lead.

You made a big deal to hide Genji's murder solution. That's reasonable because probably Genji is one of Mr./Mrs. Culprit's dead accomplice!

And I didn't finish: If Krauss is Mr./Mrs. Culprit's accomplice, may be Jessica and/or Natsuhi is an accomplice too... Or may Jessica or Natsuhi is the culprit!

Repeat in red: "Jessica isn't involved with any previous murder".
"Natsuhi isn't involved with any previous murder".

The stake doesn't have any blood on it. You know why, because it wasn't the weapon of murder.

>>3052
Kumasawa was looking at the murderer's face when she was stabbed!

>>3053
Incorrect! No rope or fishing line passed through the window to Krauss's study!

>>3054
There are no duplicates of Krauss's key.
There are only 5 master keys! 1 was in Kumasawa's pocket, 2 of them were not used to lock Krauss's study's door, and the other 2 were in the pockets of Shannon and Genji in the chapel at the time of the murder!

>>3055
Krauss is not an accomplice!
Jessica isn't involved with any previous murder!
Natsuhi isn't involved with any previous murder!

>>3056
The stake was the murder weapon!

>>3057
Kumasawa was looking at a photo of the culprit when she was stabbed.

>>3058
Kumasawa wasn't looking at a photo. She was looking at the culprit, standing right in front of her, as she died!

So, the door of Krauss's study has an auto-lock mecanism, like Kinzo's. The two keys were not used to lock Krauss's study's door, because they're only used to open it.

There's some "Detective's Authority" mecanism here? Just to know.

>>3057
If Krauss isn't the accomplice, why did you refuse to repeat my red? Maybe it's beucase someone that has access do Krauss's Study put the stake there.

Parallel theory: Mr./Mrs. Culprit wanted to talk with Kumasawa in private. However, the plan changed the way and Mr./Mrs. Culprit had to kill Kumasawa without enter in Study.

Parallel Theory #2: Jessica and/or Natsuhi didn't had the chance to kill anyone yet! In short: Jessica and/or Natsuhi is/are accomplices!

Now, repeat in red: "Kumasawa was murdered in other place." This is just like Chapel's solution.

Kumasawa wasn't completely inside the room when she was attacked.

>>3062
Kumasawa faked her death

>>3060
Kumasawa's door does not have an auto-lock.
No one has detective's authority.
>>3061
The stake was not placed inside Krauss's study until the murderer used it to kill Kumasawa.
Parallel Theory #1 is effective.
Jessica and Natsuhi are not accomplices!
Kumasawa was murdered in Krauss's study!

>>3062
Kumasawa was completely inside Krauss's study when she was attacked.
>>3063
Kumasawa did not fake her death. Kumasawa is dead.

>>3064
Derp, I meant Krauss's door.

>>3064
>Kumasawa was murdered in Krauss's study!
>the culprit wasn't inside the study at the time Kumasawa was murdered.
>She was looking at the culprit, standing right in front of her, as she died!

The culprit was standing on a ladder out the window and stabbed her when she looked out the window. Kumasawa closed and locked the window just before dying.

The culprit stood in the hallway and stabbed Kumasawa. She locked the door just before dying.

>>3066
Kumasawa died instantly. She didn't lock the door or window before her death.

>>3067
Don't care about that. Was the culprit in the hallway or were they outside.

How long were the stakes?

>>3067
This door is locked by a chain. The Stake passed through the opening.

>>3064
You didn't answer my blue truth: "You made a big deal to hide Genji's murder solution. That's reasonable because probably Genji is one of Mr./Mrs. Culprit's dead accomplice!" Can I consider it effective?

Also, you never especified what time the stake was placed. Then, I say: An accomplice that has access to Krauss's Study stored the stake there some minutes before "Kumasawa's death plan" put into pratice. This accomplice can be one of servants, because probably none of Ushiromiya (Maria, Rosa, Eva, George, Battler and Hideyoshi) has access to Krauss's Study!

Kumasawa's door does not have an auto-lock. However, Krauss's study room has a auto-lock door. That's the way how the culprit locked the door.

Kumasawa-san was an accomplice. Even so, the culprit killed her and brought her corpse on Krauss's Study Room. And the Study's Room get locked by an auto-lock mecanism.

>>3068
Hallway.
>>3069
Pic related.
>>3071
There is no chain on the door.
>>3072
Consider it effective, yes.
The stake was not stored inside Krauss's study before the murder.
>>3073
Oops, my mistake. The door to Krauss's study does not have an auto-lock.
And Kumasawa is not an accomplice.

Kumasawa-san's Master Key was used to lock Krauss's Study Room.

Door of Study Room was locked by inside.

>>3074
Again, you didn't awnser about other servant (if Genji's exception) be an accomplice. Can I consider it effective?

Now, my theory: After murder Kumasawa, Mr./Mrs Culprit DIDN'T locked the door. Some minutes/seconds/whatever later, Mr./Mrs. Culprit or his/her Accomplice arrives at crime scene and prentend to discover it and tell everyone. Also, Mr./Mrs. Culprit or Accomplice lied about the door unlock status. Then, Mr./Mrs Culprit or Accomplice uses Master Key to pretend to unlock the door.

>>3076
However, the key was found inside Kumasawa's pocket. How did it get back inside?

And, if the door was locked from the inside, then how did the culprit escape? The window was locked, and no fancy tricks were used to lock it from the outside.

>>3077
No one lied about the lock status of the door. The door really was locked at the time of the discovery of Kumasawa's corpse.

As for the other servants. No servants other than Genji are accomplices at this point in the game.

>>3078
An innocent person that unlocked Krauss's door didn't realize that the door was unlock, so, by accident, she/he locked the door. She/He thought that the Key wasn't work and them tryied again, unlocking the door.

This truth doesn't contradict your red about Keys because an innocent person didn't realize about it. "A Closed Room made by accident".

Then, you can't deny it: Kumasawa-san was killed by the culprit, and locked the door after her murder.

So, Kumasawa-san was killed when she opened the door for the culprit, who murdered her in that instant. And he closed the door and locked using the key of Krauss's, Shannon's or Genji's. The culprit put it back on his/her pocket after the people discovered the bodies.

That is it.

and the culprit locked the door after her murder.

My mistake.

>>3079
The construction of the closed room was completely intentional.

>>3080
>>3081
Tell me how that's possible, when the culprit never set foot in the chapel during the course of the game!

An accomplice made the key trade.

>>3083
The keys never left the pockets of Krauss, Shannon, or Genji while Kumasawa was alive. Remember, there was no more than 10 minutes between Kumasawa's death and the discovery of the locked room. This wouldn't give the accomplice enough time to take it out of their pocket and run to Krauss's study to lock the door.

Repeat in red: "None key (Master, especific, normal, etc) was used to lock Krauss's door."

Now, I have some questions:
1) Group of people: They are together or they split in many groups? What's the groups?
2) I want the status of live people.

Just this.

After the deaths of Krauss, Shannon or Genji, an accomplished could take the key, gave to the culprit and then, the Kumasawa's happens. Before the people get on the chapel, the accomplice get his key back and "discover" the key inside the corpse's pocket.

Or even when they discover Kumasawa's corpse, the accomplished could already put the key on the corpse's pocket.

>>3086
I refuse to repeat it.

Three groups.

George, Gohda and Kanon discovered Kumasawa's corpse.

Natsuhi, Eva, Hideyoshi, and Nanjo discovered Kinzo's corpse, then went to the chapel.

Rosa, Battler, and Maria are in the parlor. They didn't discover any corpses.

>>3087
At the exact moment Kumasawa died, the keys of Shannon, Genji, and Krauss were in each of their pockets, inside the chapel.

No accomplice returned the key to Shannon's, Genji's, or Krauss's pocket.

After the "exact moment" of Kumasawa's death, an accomplished get the key from corpses. A non-accomplished returned the key, manipulated by a culprit or a accomplished.

>>3088
Mr./Mrs. Culprit or Accomplice used a paper recipe (like Eva's one at EP1) to lock Krauss's door. When George's group arrived, they called everyone. About unlock the door, the same thing as the other theory: Didn't notice that wasn't locked (by natural door lock) and etc etc etc. However, the pulled a little bit and finally unlocked Krauss's door. When the recipe fell, Mr./Mrs. Culprit or Accomplice hid the recipe (with his/her foot, taking from the floor... This isn't important) for no one notice.

>>3089
That's a pretty good theory.
However, no one was manipulated into returning the key.

>>3084
From the moment Kumasawa entered that room to when the door was locked, her master key stayed inside her pocket and was not once used.

I'm sure you can repeat this. Can't you Kinjo?

>>3092
Naturally. From the moment Kumasawa entered that room to when the door was locked, her master key stayed inside her pocket and was not once used.

No keys from the corpses are removed after or before their deaths from anyone.

So I can use my another theory.

>>3090
The door was not locked by a receipt.

>>3094
I'm afraid I can't repeat that...!

>>3095
Due to this, I say: The door was locked by another thing that could be easy and fast to Mr./Mrs. Culprit or Accomplice to hide. What is this thing? Devil's Proof: It doesn't matter.

>>3097
The only thing that can lock the door to Krauss's study is one of the master keys, or the original key to the room! Nothing else!

>>3097
Kinjo can you repeat this?

"The only way to open the door is with the key , It is impossible for the lock to be picked."

>>3099
The only way to open the door is with the key It is impossible for the lock to be picked.

Then, could you repeat for me:

The corpses of Shannon, Genji and Krauss didn't removed from Chapel to any places from any moment on this game.?

>>3098
>the original key
>implying the one found is a copy.
They key found is fake

>>3100
I should note, this is referring to outside the room.

>>3101
That's...uh...

>>3102
There are no fake or duplicate keys.

>>3084
Who said it had to be the accomplice?
The culprit could have instead.

>>3106
I said in red the culprit never set foot in the chapel. But an accomplice obviously can.

After the keys in Genji's, Shannon's and Krauss's pockets are discovered, they don't touched, locked or unlocked any more doors in this game.

>>3107
Repeat in red: "Rosa's group never got out of the Parlor after First Twillight."

Also, if an accomplice can enter into Chapel, then he/she surely did it! He/She move the bodies to do whatever he/she wanted, in order to help Mr./Mrs. Culprit.

>>3108
That too, I can't repeat...

>>3109
Rosa's group never got out of the Parlor after First Twillight, up until this point in the game.

As for that second one... that's true...

Then, that's my old theory with a new face: The culprit returned the key until the corpses after Kumasawa's death. They (the corpses) aren't in the chapel, but in another place. So the culprit can return the key easily.

>>3111
Then Battler, Rosa and Maria are NOT culprits or accomplice, since they didn't leave the parlor.

>>3113
Repeat in red: "Shannon's body is not a fake body. And when I say this, I say: Shannon's dead body is the same body that everyone saw alive. She is truly dead. Also, fake bodies can't inherit any name from other dead or alive person. "

Time to make sure to be safe.
None of the people with keys in their pockets ever parted with their said pockets.

A device was not used to transport the key from A to B.

>>3113
At this point in the game, the corpses of Shannon, Genji, and Krauss are in the chapel.
>>3114
Correct.
>>3115
Shannon's body is not a fake body. And when I say this, I say: Shannon's dead body is the same body that everyone saw alive. She is truly dead. Also, fake bodies can't inherit any name from other dead or alive person.
>>3112
How does someone part with their pockets?
And I can't repeat that.

>>3124
Their clothing could have been taken obviously.

And since if it was a device I'll just turn into a list of items so...
A bow. They tied the key to a arrow and fired it of into the distance so the culprit could have taken and used it. I forget if it was back in the chapel afterwards but they could have had two bows and just fired it back to the chapel anyway. So it works.

It's very simple.

An accomplice carries one of corpses (or more) to another place, then the culprit take his keys without enter in the chapel. So, when he kills Kumasawa-san, he (culprit) locks the door and use the corpse's key, returning back to the dead body, in a place confortable to return the keys.

Could you repeat it in red?

>>3124
Repeat in red: "Eva's group (the one that found Kinzo's body) did not split anytime during all the game after First Twillight."

Let me check what I'm gonna get.

>>3125
A bow was not used.
>>3126
...Correct. You didn't get the exact method, but it's all correct.
>>3127
Eva's group (the one that found Kinzo's body) did not split anytime during all the game after First Twillight up until this point in the game.

If Eva's group did not split and Rosa's group didn't live the parlor... then the culprit and accomplices must the Kanon, George and Gohda's group.

didn't leave*

>>3129
Correct.

>>3129
>>3131
You did it, Poirot-san! You won Kinjo-san's Game and destroyed his Ilusion Of The Witch!

That was a good game and I am happy to be part of it! Good job, Kinjo-san! Good job, Poirot-san!

Good job for everyone!

>>3132
Not done yet~
2 mysteries down, around 5-7 more to go.

I did not start posting any theories. I was putting well-placed questions, sometimes the opposite of what I really thought. I did this only to direct you to give me the answers I needed, instead of theories to utterly fail on my part.

I counted also with the invaluable help of Eriko-san, who directed me to Truth.

But it really was a real challenge, I am impressed with this mystery of yours, Kinjo-san.

Congratulations.

Could it be that another Twilights and his methods, Ozaki-san?

>>3132
I just thought of an interesting idea.

Should I keep the game going, for the rest of the twilights, or since pretty much everything has been solved thus far we can end it here, and someone else can start a game?

Either way, we'd need to make a new thread.

>>3136
Well, I vote for a new Devil's Roulette Game. However here in Brazil are 2:50 and I'm a little tired. Maybe Poirot-san could make a new game.

However, I do like the idea of a new game. If you let me be the Game Master of the next game, I'll post it tomorrow! I promisse!

>>3136
I'm assuming you mean using the the Devil's Roulette?

>>3136
I'm interested in the rest of the Twilights. Another game could be fun too, I vote for both, if possible.

>>3138
Yes.

And I agree, we should start tomorrow if anything. It's late and I'm sure everyone's brains are tired anyway.

Second Thread
https://archive.seacats.net/gameboard/res/3116.html

>>3137
No, no, my friend... my games are pretty obvious. I'm better to solve puzzles, not to creating them.