Whatever this is. It is really buggy. It fails to load anything or gets stuck in the loading process and remains just a black screen. Which does nothing, so you have to close it out and start all over again.

>>2916
Here is just a black screen and the text. Well, I didn't put the folder inside WH's folder.

I am having fun with this game.

>>2917
That isn't what I meant.

I know the thing, doesn't have any pictures or sprites, sounds, music, etc.

What I mean is that sometimes it messes up and stays completely black, with no text whatsoever.

>>2918
Yeah, unfortunately I had that happen too, but I thought I fixed it. It's probably an infinite loop, but oh well.

I'll get the red and blue started then, if you guys are ready.

At 6:00 PM on October 4th, Ushiromiya Maria received a letter from the Golden Witch, Beatrice.

The portrait in the entrance hall clearly showed the figure of this witch, also displaying her riddle, her challenge to the family. If the riddle were to be solved, the ten tons of gold would be theirs.

The adults were outraged at the witch's letter during dinner, urging them to solve the riddle. When they knocked on Kinzo's door asking for answers, there was no response, and they went away unsatisfied.

Some time later, Rudolf told Battler and Kyrie in private that he 'might be killed tonight'.

In addition, Krauss showed Natsuhi a single gold bar, enforcing the idea that the gold was more than legendary.

Earlier that day, Maria had given Jessica and Battler two scorpion charms to repel magic.

The charms continued to remain in their possession the whole night.

Thus ends the first day, October 4th, 1986.

The next morning, six people had gone missing, and there was a huge uproar.

The First Twilight:

Kyrie: severed limbs, found in the chapel
Shannon: severed limbs, found in the chapel
Genji: no visible wounds, found in the chapel
Krauss: severed limbs, found in the chapel
Rudolf: head smashed, found in the chapel
Jessica: torso sliced in half, found in the chapel

The door to the chapel was locked when the corpses were discovered. The key to the chapel's door was found on a table inside the chapel at the same time!

Go on, tell me how this was a crime possible using human tricks!

>>2920
The culprit lured everyone into the chapel, then once each one of the victims were dead the culprit left the key on the table and exited through the bell tower.

>>2922
There is no bell tower on this chapel!

>>2923
Heh, better safe then sorry!
Genji is alive, he simply faked his death with a drug and left the key on the table.

>>2924
There is no drug that could fake someone's death on Rokkenjima!

And before you suggest it, this game takes place on Rokkenjima, nowhere else!

>>2925
Either way there are a few tricks that could be used to fake his death. He could have used the trick where you put a tennis ball or something of the sort under the armpit to stop the flow of blood to the arm!

Of course we all know the loopholes in this logic. Nanjo could have used his jugular to check for the pulse among other things etc.

>>2926
None of the first twilight victims faked their deaths.

>>2927
Who is alive and Who is dead? because You can say : all the victims? but who are the victims are obviously the dead, and someone who was a victim it was obviously killed

There are less than 6 victims!!

>>2928
There are exactly six victims.

>>2929
People who faked their death aren't victims.

>>2930
Exactly, so no one faked their death.

>>2931
Unless if one of the victims was not found in the chapel. Then they would still be one of the six victims but they would not found until later~

Well anyway I'll take your word on it for now.
The culprit was simply hiding inside the chapel when the bodies where discovered.

>>2932
The culprit did not hide in the chapel.

>>2933
The culprit did not leave through the door.

>>2933

The culprit, died before he could escape

>>2934
Then where DID they leave from?

>>2935
The culprit is still alive.

>>2936
Oh you.
The culprit left through the window.

>>2936

Someone replaced the door with a new one.
This isnt a closed room!

>>2937
The culprit did not leave through any window!

>>2938
The door was not replaced!

>>2939
The culprit entered in the room and killed them with method x
if this is false, then
The culprit didnt need to be inside to kill everyone

>>2939
The culprit never entered the chapel in the fist place

>>2942
*first

>>2941
Method X? You mean magiiiiiiiiiiic?!

>>2942
And then killed them with that beloved Method X, riiiiiiiight?!

>>2944
can you please repeat it in red?~~~~

So that we can make sure it was certainly done with magic~~

>>2944
You think I would use method X? Ahaha
The the bodies were shoved through the window, thus the culprit never entered the chapel.

>>2945
The culprit didn't need to be inside to kill everyone!

>>2946
The windows can only be locked from the inside, and they were locked from the inside when the corpses were discovered! Explain that, if you can!

The victims were killed by a trap

>>2947
The window was removed and then put back after the deed was done.

>>2949
None of the victims were killed by a trap!
>>2950
None of the windows were removed!

>>2951
Tell me your definition of trap

>>2951
The windows may not have been removed but it says nothing about them being intact. With a great fit of rage the culprit picked up the bodies and threw them through the windows! Before he did so though he cut Kyrie, Shannon and Kruass into bits and pieces so he would have enough to break every single window. Although in his fit he broke one window with his own fist. Saddened by the blood running down his fist he then threw Genji's body in as well. Thus not entering the chapel.

>>2952
Trap - a device set up previously, which is activated either by a trigger or remote control, and when activated kills the victim.

>>2953
And none of the windows were broken. They are all still perfectly intact!

>>2954

The culprit have a master key!

>>2954
The culprit was under the floor?

>>2919
Poor Kinjo, every thing you make is full of bugs. They love you.

I'll try something, before thinking hard.

The door was removed/broken off, and never put back on, thus it was never replaced. It is still locked, but it is not in the way. Therefore allowing anyone to enter the room.

>>2954
The culprit was a alpaca.

But in all seriousness.
There is another exit/entrance besides the windows and door that the culprit used.

>>2955
Master keys are irrelevant to this mystery! They cannot open the chapel door!
>>2956
The culprit was not under the floor!
>>2957
The door was never removed from its place! It is still perfectly intact!
>>2958
The culprit is not an alpaca! And the door and windows are the only entrances/exits to the chapel!

>>2954
>Trap - a device set up previously, which is activated either by a trigger or remote control, and when activated kills the victim.

So by your definition a gun is a trap.

>>2959
there is a hole in the wall, the culprit killed them ,with a gun or a chiester, the hole in the wall is small enough for a bullet to fin in.

>>2960
I thought about that after I wrote it.
>set up previously

That's the only way I can get out of that one.

By the way, there aren't any holes in the walls big enough for a bullet to fit through.

>>2962
the murder was something the culprit wasnt expecting.So they either died for accident, or by impulse the Culprit killed the victims.

>>2959
The key entered the chapel after the windows and door was locked. Preferable a skylight in the roof.

>>2963
The murders were premeditated.
>>2964
There is no skylight on the roof.

>>2962
Sorry. But I won't allow you worm your way out.

>Trap - a device set up previously, which is activated either by a trigger or remote control, and when activated kills the victim.

Gun, is something that was set up and put together previously by the maker.

When the 'TRIGGER' is pulled, it works.
________________________________________

Poison is a trap, correct.

The type of poison is a chemical previously created.

When it enters the body, it is triggered and activated, and harms the body.

In short, by your definition a gun and poison is a trap.

I wonder if I can apply that to other stuff as well~

>>2966
oh you Rosa

>>2965
The Murders were planned , however....the method of murder was something Improvised

>>2966
If you want to reason that way, go right ahead.~

>>2967
The method of murder was not improvised!

>>2965
Hopefully this isn't just me over analyzing.
>The door to the chapel was locked when the corpses were discovered.
At this time there was less than 6 corpses.

>>2969
At the time the corpses were discovered, the six corpses were present.

>>2968
I could probably provide every possible weapon under that definition of yours but that wouldn't be any fun.

Genji was poisoned.
Genji was smothered to death.
There are no visible wounds, but there are wounds on Genji's bodies, just when he is wearing clothes they are not visible.

>>2970
The survivors did not entered the same way the culprit did.

>>2971
Genji was not poisoned, and the wounds were not visible under his clothes either.
...I'll have to surrender Genji's death to you, however. Your second blue hits.

>>2972
What exactly does that prove?

>>2973
pfft
The culprit made them , wear something or he put something on their clothes , that something killed them

>>2974
The culprit did not make the victims wear anything, or put something on their clothes which killed them.

>>2973
That was the one I expected. The first was just to check if you were following what I said before. One after was for future ideas.

Anyway.

The door can be locked without the key.

>>2976
Only from the inside.

>>2973
Well, because the way you worded the red in the start. You explained it so that at the time the people found the bodies the door was still locked, and they were also inside the chapel at the same time finding the key on the table. So that's why I posted those last two blues.

Anyway I'll try to clear more fog.
The forming of the closed room was not intended.

>>2978
The construction of the closed room was completely intentional.

>>2979
the door was open and locked when the murders happened, but the culprit restrained the victims so that they couldnt escape

>>2979
The reason you were able to say that the culprit wasn't hiding in the room is because,
He was actually in plain sight!

>>2980
The door to the chapel was shut and locked when the murders took place!
>>2981
The only humans in the chapel the moment before the corpses were discovered were the corpses themselves! No one else!!!

>>2982
Only Humans are involved in this murder.

>>2979
You said that no window was removed, nor were any windows broken. However;

One of the windows was taken out before October 5th, So there was an open space, with no glass.

Since it was already gone, it wasn't removed nor broken referring to the time that red takes place.

The culprit left the chapel through the door, then threw the key into the chapel using the open space.

And since there is no glass or lock on this window, it can't be locked there by sneaking by the red of the window being locked because it can't be.

>>2983
That's rather specific. Humans are not the only things involved in these murders.

>>2984
There were no empty spaces in place of the windows. The windows were all there, and are all still intact!

The windows can only be locked by a human.

>>2986
Well, sure. Your blue hits.

>>2985
Certainly , the culprit, was outside SO HE SENT A TRAINED GORILLA TO MURDER, THEN , THE GORILLA SLIPPED AND DIED.

The culprit left, and one of the victims locked the door/window.

>>2988
Nope, no gorillas.

>>2987
The window was locked from the inside, when the human who locked it was outside.

Basically, force+window=locked. So depending on the type of window the culprit could have slipped out of the window, then the window locked on it's own etc.

>>2989
However, all the victims were found dead in the morning.

No dead person can lock a door or window.

>>2991
The windows cannot be locked from the outside.

>>2992
Baka Kinjo. They weren't dead when they locked the door/window.

They died after locked the door/window.

>>2993
Well, you didn't really deny my theory. The culprit would be outside, but the window would still lock from the inside. Deny it etc.

Here is another one while your denying that.
The victims where killed outside of the chapel then brought to it.

>>2994
Very well, I surrender the First Twilight...!

The Second Twilight:

Kinzo: burnt, found in the rose garden
Kumasawa: stabbed in the head, found in Krauss's study

Demonic stakes were found lying next to each corpse.

The door to Krauss's study was locked at the time of the discovery of Kumasawa's corpse.
However, Kumasawa's master key was in her pocket, inside Krauss's study.

Try and solve that!

>>2997
Closed room where?

>>2997
Well Kinzo's body was burnt and dragged to the rose garden.

That much is obvious. As for Kumasawa...
One of the other master keys was used.

And for an actual theory...
The moment before opening the locked door to find Kumasawa dead she was alive.

>>2999
The key to Krauss's study is currently in Krauss's pocket, inside the chapel!
Shannon's master key is currently inside Shannon's pocket, inside the chapel!
Genji's master key is currently inside Genji's pocket, inside the chapel!
Kanon's master key was not used to lock the door to Krauss's study!
Gohda's master key was not used to lock the door to Krauss's study!

>>2999
Like I said on livestream: You never said that Shannon's and Genji's Master Key were with them on first twillight. So it's possible that are 4 Master Keys with Mr./Mrs. Culprit.

And I want you to repeat in red: "Only Kinzo's Key [Kinzo's Room/Study Room Key] can only open Study Room's door."

>>3000
I'll give you Kinzo's death, Ozaki. Not much there.

Kumasawa was dead one moment before the door was opened, when discovering her corpse.

>>3001
More than those keys exist that can lock that door.
The door can be locked from the outside without one of those aforementioned keys. Through lock-picking and other methods.

>>3001
Mr./Mrs. Culprit made a copy (that doesn't work) of one Master Key -- Genji or Shannon's Master Key. That isn't important -- and put it inside Genji's/Shannon's pocket. This action doesn't contradict your red about Genji's or Shannon's Master Key. The culprit used the original one to lock the door and commit the crime!

>>3003
Although that could be the case, what about this.
Kumasawa was actually alive before they unlocked the door. Once the door was open and they discovered the corpse she was dead.

>>3004
Only the five master keys and Krauss's key to his study can unlock the door to Krauss's study!
The door cannot be locked from the outside without the aforementioned keys!

>>3005
There are only five master keys! No duplicates exist!

>>3009
Kumasawa was dead at least 10 minutes before they unlocked the door. When they discovered her corpse, she was certainly dead!

>>3010
Well then.
Krauss's study was actually in the chapel. The culprit used one of the master keys while it was still in the owner's pocket!

>>3011
Krauss's study is not inside the chapel!

>>3010
Kumasawa was an old lady. Probably had some health problems. So I can easily say that Kumasawa had an health problem (heart attack, brains stuff. This doesn't matter) and die.

Now, about the wound on her head: The stake was near her body, so the stake didn't kill Kumasawa: Some weapon did the job for the stake. What weapon? Devil's proof: It doesn't matter at all!

Ooooorrr....

Kumasawa died by accident, due to the fact that she died some moments before everyone open the door.

Now, about Mr./Mrs. Culprit: He/She might be hidden at some place in Krauss's Study.

>>3010
A needle was threaded through Kumasawa's pocket with string attached. Taped to the other end is her master key. The culprit went outside the door, locked it and then pulled on the needle and pulled it until the key went under the door/around the door and into her pocket, the tape slipped off and the string went back to the culprit on the other side of the door.

>>3012
Dang, even the best answer isn't correct!? Fine then.
Krauss has two studies!

>>3013
Kumasawa's death was not due to a medical condition!
Kumasawa's death was a murder, completely intentional! Not an accident!
The culprit is not hiding in Krauss's study!

>>3015
Of all of the doors that exist on Rokkenjima, none has a crack through which a key can slip.

>>3016
Krauss only has one study!

>>3017
Kumasawa murdered herself! Kumasawa's other personality killed her, therefore it is not suicide, but murder.

>>3018
Kumasawa did not kill herself. Regardless of any split personalities she may have.

>>3019
You never said that Knox's Rules are valid at this game, I say: Secret passage! Secret passages everywhere!

Or Like First Twillight, Mr./Mrs. Culprit didn't need to get into Krauss's Study. Some trap was activated and killed her!

>>3017
The chapel is inside the study!.

>>3021
Anyway back on track.
After the door was unlocked they didn't investigate the room right away.

>>3020
The only entrances/exits in Krauss's study are the door and window! No hidden passages exist in his study!
I'm a bit hesitant to reuse my definition of "trap", so I'd like theories regarding those to be a bit more specific.
>>3021
The chapel is not inside the study!