An accomplice made the key trade.

>>3083
The keys never left the pockets of Krauss, Shannon, or Genji while Kumasawa was alive. Remember, there was no more than 10 minutes between Kumasawa's death and the discovery of the locked room. This wouldn't give the accomplice enough time to take it out of their pocket and run to Krauss's study to lock the door.

Repeat in red: "None key (Master, especific, normal, etc) was used to lock Krauss's door."

Now, I have some questions:
1) Group of people: They are together or they split in many groups? What's the groups?
2) I want the status of live people.

Just this.

After the deaths of Krauss, Shannon or Genji, an accomplished could take the key, gave to the culprit and then, the Kumasawa's happens. Before the people get on the chapel, the accomplice get his key back and "discover" the key inside the corpse's pocket.

Or even when they discover Kumasawa's corpse, the accomplished could already put the key on the corpse's pocket.

>>3086
I refuse to repeat it.

Three groups.

George, Gohda and Kanon discovered Kumasawa's corpse.

Natsuhi, Eva, Hideyoshi, and Nanjo discovered Kinzo's corpse, then went to the chapel.

Rosa, Battler, and Maria are in the parlor. They didn't discover any corpses.

>>3087
At the exact moment Kumasawa died, the keys of Shannon, Genji, and Krauss were in each of their pockets, inside the chapel.

No accomplice returned the key to Shannon's, Genji's, or Krauss's pocket.

After the "exact moment" of Kumasawa's death, an accomplished get the key from corpses. A non-accomplished returned the key, manipulated by a culprit or a accomplished.

>>3088
Mr./Mrs. Culprit or Accomplice used a paper recipe (like Eva's one at EP1) to lock Krauss's door. When George's group arrived, they called everyone. About unlock the door, the same thing as the other theory: Didn't notice that wasn't locked (by natural door lock) and etc etc etc. However, the pulled a little bit and finally unlocked Krauss's door. When the recipe fell, Mr./Mrs. Culprit or Accomplice hid the recipe (with his/her foot, taking from the floor... This isn't important) for no one notice.

>>3089
That's a pretty good theory.
However, no one was manipulated into returning the key.

>>3084
From the moment Kumasawa entered that room to when the door was locked, her master key stayed inside her pocket and was not once used.

I'm sure you can repeat this. Can't you Kinjo?

>>3092
Naturally. From the moment Kumasawa entered that room to when the door was locked, her master key stayed inside her pocket and was not once used.

No keys from the corpses are removed after or before their deaths from anyone.

So I can use my another theory.

>>3090
The door was not locked by a receipt.

>>3094
I'm afraid I can't repeat that...!

>>3095
Due to this, I say: The door was locked by another thing that could be easy and fast to Mr./Mrs. Culprit or Accomplice to hide. What is this thing? Devil's Proof: It doesn't matter.

>>3097
The only thing that can lock the door to Krauss's study is one of the master keys, or the original key to the room! Nothing else!

>>3097
Kinjo can you repeat this?

"The only way to open the door is with the key , It is impossible for the lock to be picked."

>>3099
The only way to open the door is with the key It is impossible for the lock to be picked.

Then, could you repeat for me:

The corpses of Shannon, Genji and Krauss didn't removed from Chapel to any places from any moment on this game.?

>>3098
>the original key
>implying the one found is a copy.
They key found is fake

>>3100
I should note, this is referring to outside the room.

>>3101
That's...uh...

>>3102
There are no fake or duplicate keys.

>>3084
Who said it had to be the accomplice?
The culprit could have instead.

>>3106
I said in red the culprit never set foot in the chapel. But an accomplice obviously can.

After the keys in Genji's, Shannon's and Krauss's pockets are discovered, they don't touched, locked or unlocked any more doors in this game.

>>3107
Repeat in red: "Rosa's group never got out of the Parlor after First Twillight."

Also, if an accomplice can enter into Chapel, then he/she surely did it! He/She move the bodies to do whatever he/she wanted, in order to help Mr./Mrs. Culprit.

>>3108
That too, I can't repeat...

>>3109
Rosa's group never got out of the Parlor after First Twillight, up until this point in the game.

As for that second one... that's true...

Then, that's my old theory with a new face: The culprit returned the key until the corpses after Kumasawa's death. They (the corpses) aren't in the chapel, but in another place. So the culprit can return the key easily.

>>3111
Then Battler, Rosa and Maria are NOT culprits or accomplice, since they didn't leave the parlor.

>>3113
Repeat in red: "Shannon's body is not a fake body. And when I say this, I say: Shannon's dead body is the same body that everyone saw alive. She is truly dead. Also, fake bodies can't inherit any name from other dead or alive person. "

Time to make sure to be safe.
None of the people with keys in their pockets ever parted with their said pockets.

A device was not used to transport the key from A to B.

>>3113
At this point in the game, the corpses of Shannon, Genji, and Krauss are in the chapel.
>>3114
Correct.
>>3115
Shannon's body is not a fake body. And when I say this, I say: Shannon's dead body is the same body that everyone saw alive. She is truly dead. Also, fake bodies can't inherit any name from other dead or alive person.
>>3112
How does someone part with their pockets?
And I can't repeat that.

>>3124
Their clothing could have been taken obviously.

And since if it was a device I'll just turn into a list of items so...
A bow. They tied the key to a arrow and fired it of into the distance so the culprit could have taken and used it. I forget if it was back in the chapel afterwards but they could have had two bows and just fired it back to the chapel anyway. So it works.

It's very simple.

An accomplice carries one of corpses (or more) to another place, then the culprit take his keys without enter in the chapel. So, when he kills Kumasawa-san, he (culprit) locks the door and use the corpse's key, returning back to the dead body, in a place confortable to return the keys.

Could you repeat it in red?

>>3124
Repeat in red: "Eva's group (the one that found Kinzo's body) did not split anytime during all the game after First Twillight."

Let me check what I'm gonna get.

>>3125
A bow was not used.
>>3126
...Correct. You didn't get the exact method, but it's all correct.
>>3127
Eva's group (the one that found Kinzo's body) did not split anytime during all the game after First Twillight up until this point in the game.

If Eva's group did not split and Rosa's group didn't live the parlor... then the culprit and accomplices must the Kanon, George and Gohda's group.

didn't leave*

>>3129
Correct.

>>3129
>>3131
You did it, Poirot-san! You won Kinjo-san's Game and destroyed his Ilusion Of The Witch!

That was a good game and I am happy to be part of it! Good job, Kinjo-san! Good job, Poirot-san!

Good job for everyone!

>>3132
Not done yet~
2 mysteries down, around 5-7 more to go.

I did not start posting any theories. I was putting well-placed questions, sometimes the opposite of what I really thought. I did this only to direct you to give me the answers I needed, instead of theories to utterly fail on my part.

I counted also with the invaluable help of Eriko-san, who directed me to Truth.

But it really was a real challenge, I am impressed with this mystery of yours, Kinjo-san.

Congratulations.

Could it be that another Twilights and his methods, Ozaki-san?

>>3132
I just thought of an interesting idea.

Should I keep the game going, for the rest of the twilights, or since pretty much everything has been solved thus far we can end it here, and someone else can start a game?

Either way, we'd need to make a new thread.

>>3136
Well, I vote for a new Devil's Roulette Game. However here in Brazil are 2:50 and I'm a little tired. Maybe Poirot-san could make a new game.

However, I do like the idea of a new game. If you let me be the Game Master of the next game, I'll post it tomorrow! I promisse!

>>3136
I'm assuming you mean using the the Devil's Roulette?

>>3136
I'm interested in the rest of the Twilights. Another game could be fun too, I vote for both, if possible.

>>3138
Yes.

And I agree, we should start tomorrow if anything. It's late and I'm sure everyone's brains are tired anyway.

Second Thread
https://archive.seacats.net/gameboard/res/3116.html

>>3137
No, no, my friend... my games are pretty obvious. I'm better to solve puzzles, not to creating them.