I will copy anon then !

>>69400
nop copying an agent is against the law ok

>>69401
pffft I can do that too.

>>69402
Heh, nobody will fall for that. Everyone knows real agents pose in their underwear.

>>69404

>>69403
>>69401
I wasn't expecting you to use that images...

Anyway, Mi-chan stop copying my other personality anon and come play with me on Gameboard, the 4th twilight is ready.

>>69403
Dont try to beat me there, Mion has tons of fanservice I can use.

>>69406
Yes, captain!

>>69406
Using them was a bad idea, now time to use some grimdark to counter it.

>>69407
Sorry but everyone knows kanon is the moest ok.

>>69409
Im sorry anon-kun, I can't be defeated so easily.

http://torrentfreak.com/six-strikes-anti-piracy-scheme-starts-130225/

Welp, good luck with that 'merricans

>>69410
Who said something about defeating? Anyway Mion can't match grimdark Kanon, but her sister can.
>>69411
Good thing all seacats are good citizens using legal copies.

>>69412
Ya obviously, like how we all obviously bought Umineko and everyone here has at least finished reading it entirely at least once.

>>69413
>That whole sentence

It's time for bed alright.

>>69413
I bought Umineko and I finished reading it entirely... I even bought posters and fan things.

I mean..., you guys should have at least read it right? Piece must be wrong when he told me that lot of seacats didn't finish it right?

>>69415
He was telling the truth.

>>69416
Hmmmm, ok.

hi pis

>>69411
That's it, I'm going to Canada!

Welp, as long as they start that shit on mexico.

>>69419

>>69422

You are also welcome here

Hate taking peoples' turns for them, but it can't be helped if we're to move on in a timely fashion.

>>69424

run fate rpg P:

>>69426
No.

hi

>>69429

>>69430

>>69404

>>69429
Hi I'm Sara Zeal on Bahamut server

>>69433
Who cares about dead space whatever, timeless masterpiece streaming here

>>69435
its impossible to pick a server just pick a random one

>>69436
Is it impossible to pick a server? I picked one.

so much to do, but it's ok we need to money

>>6 94 1 7
l t o l d y o u w h y t h e y' r e h e r e, r i g h t ?

>>69418
That's Piece-Battler-sama to you.

>>69439
Hi I tried to pick your attention before, but it seems you were away. Anyway i'm totally tired right now, good night.

>>69440
Good night?

>>69442
Streaming some 2hu.

>Classes in the morning.

>>69442
Streaming again

I will be able to post in 3 hours when i will be back home Lion.

YEAH I FINALLY FINISHED A TOUHOU GAME WITH THE TRUE END.

>>69448
I can vouch for this event. Omedetou.avi

>>69439
Please forgive my rudeness, Piece-Battler-sama.

>IP marked as AU proxy
??

>>69450
I'm not using my regular connection right now, but it's certainly no proxy.

hi

hi

hi

Yo dogg I heard you like pieces etc.

>>69451
I don't know what a mainframe is.

>>69448
Good job!

dead spays!!!!
>>69458

lol drama in mehico

>>69455
Spoiler.

>>69456
Oh. Okay. Neither do I.

>>69460
u ok

>>69461
usotsuki

>>69462
It's the truth. I just thought you would know considering you keep elite hacking my iPiece.

>>69463
lies ne

I think he pretended to be onii-sama for a couple posts as a response.

>>69464
Is that all he meant? I guess I misunderstood.

>>69461

Golden Land ain't nothin' to fuck with.
Thirty-Six Closed Rooms of Death!
Furudo-san comin' at you, protect your neck kid.

>>69467
No, this is.

There was going to be a spoiler here, but it was too spoiler-y. Maybe in a month or so.

>>69467
So are these all actual screenshots?

>>69469

Define "actual." If you mean "actual screenshot from the secret version of Episode 8 where Battler explains that Beatrice was a member of the Wu-Tang Clan because she has as many alternate names as the RZA," then no, unfortunately that doesn't exist.

If you mean "actual screenshots from Redaction," don't be absurd. Battler doesn't have his cape in Redaction yet and it would be absolutely ridiculous for Battler to refer to the Wu-Tang Secret that doesn't even exist yet. Andromalius does that in Redaction.

If you mean "actual fake screenshots you personally created," then yes, and you can usually tell because they're 852x480 when nothing else is.

>>69470
Gotcha.

Out of curiosity, how many of these fakes have you made?

>>69471

I dunno.

>>69472
Hmm. I just thought you might have a single folder where you keep all of them.

www.livestream.com/LionMusicRoom

>>69473

I keep them in a folder on my desktop and some are in my Wordpress media folder but I don't have like a root directory, no.

Some I've made JUST FOR /SEACATS/ and not put anywhere at all!

>>69476
It's better than keeping them in your "evidence" folder.

>>69463
As bern suggested, I was only looking forward some silly posting with piece.
>>69470
>>69471
I was wondering the same.

hi im try google analytics

>>69479
What do you mean by that?

>>69480
Lion mentioned something regarding the board statistics, so I added seacats to google analytics. It should tell us when people posts more and etc.

>>69481
How frightening.

>>69482
Why is that frightening? It actually doesn't reveal any information about specific users, it just goes like, look, these months were pretty bad, your web is dying.

>>69483
>>69484
You'll use the fluctuating attendance to accurately gauge over time the observance of various holidays and events to construct cultural and socioeconomic profiles of each and every seacat, culminating in targeted ads, maybe blackmail, maybe even estimations of location. Combined with data gathered via the trackers embedded twitter feed you'll link up these profiles with seacat twitter, facebook, google and formspring accounts, a concerted effort for the final goal of shattering the illusion to make a quick buck.

>>69485
Very well, even if completely silly, that sounds rather frightening.

>>69486
"anon" here referring to an anonymous person, ie, "[name omitted]", not anon-kun in particular, who would never not do it, and is in fact doing it.

>>69487
>brass knuckles being some american candy
Some how that made me laugh.

>>69487
That doesn't matter as "anon", referring to an anonymous person, has not the power to add Google Analytics script into the board. In any case, I'm not adding any silly ads to the board.

>>69488
Jessica as Natsuhi wanted her to be.

>>69489
I see. So there is only one lord of the board.

>>69490
George can too, of course. Actually, I think the board had ads before, but George removed them because they were lewd.

>>69491
We can have our own ads to sell anthologies of deleted posts right from the database.

Seacats premium accounts.

>>69492
Edit button and real time statistics would also be restricted to premium accounts.

>>69493
But anon, the edit button already is.

>>69494

>>69442
Streamin' again

Oha.

>>69499
Ara, gokigenyou!

hi

>Premium Accounts

>>69502
The attaching of multiple images to a single post will be making a return as a premium account feature, too.

>>69503
Well, I suppose it should be okay, As long as it is for the users that usually post...

>>69504
Of course it is for the paying users. And I guess /seacats/ beta testers, also known as first generation posters, will get free access.

>>69505
that would contemplate 4chan seacats?
or 4chan Seacats and IB4F seacats?

>>69506
Whichever one would happen to include me but at the same time exclude the maximum number of people.

Huh. Apparently it's better for a bad guy to have a real motivation beyond "for the lulz". Even if they're a complete psychopath.

>>69500
Meet me at Knox Festival this weekend.

>>69509
More normalfagging?

>>69510
Not at all. We can watch Ice Age 4 together.

>>69511
They still make those movies, huh.

Are you forgetting the time you left me waiting in the cold hundreds of miles from home?

>>69512
If it's cold you can come back to my house. Gomen.

>>69513
After those false promises, I shan't listen to your honeyed words. I can't be tempted.

The illusion must be preserved. You and I can never meet.

You should fly up to dine with Boonce.

>>69514
O-Oh.. okay.. I guess I'll just go back to bed. Good morning.

>>69515
I think I might too. Good night.

>>69508
You mean like Kefka?

>>69517
No, Kefka was in it for the lulz.

New season of Garo.
>No Kouga, some bitchy pretty boy for a lead
DROP
DROP SO HARD
I DROP HARDER THAN SKRILLEX DROPS DA BASS

>>69519
Disagree, the best villains are in it for the lulz and little more.

>>69521
Really? Why do you say that?

>>69522
A sob story distracts from the villain's purpose in the story for an attempt at adding "depth" to their characterization, but it often still comes across as pity and shallow, therefore rending the point of adding the depth meaningless while adding background noise where there didn't need to be any.

>>69521
I agree. The most enjoyable villains are the ones who enjoy themselves doing these deeds.

>>69523
I don't think all villains need a 'sob story' per say. But I like it when their reasoning is a little stronger than just being crazy or they enjoy it.

>>69523
Makes sense. Though you could also have a motivation that sort of explains why they're doing what they do while not in any way justifying any of it.

>>69525
I haven't seen very many "sympathetic" villains that had much in the way of a meaningful backstory. When one starts doing evil deeds it's hard for me to feel any sympathy for the character or show any understanding.

>>69526
I'm totally fine with villains having reasons for what they do and I don't think that's bad per se, but those types tend to be far less entertaining and engaging to me than those who are in it for the evulz.

>>69527

Chaotic Evil more like worst evil.

>>69528
Kotomine is actually a pretty good example of a villain who does what he does purely for the evulz.

>>69529

Kotomine is pretty much the only good example.

>>69530
That's only because of your limited exposure to media, wa ha ha~

>>69531

Kefka more like sux.

>>69532
You haven't even played FF6, so you can hardly give a proper opinion on that~

I rabu meta~

I rabu meta~

>>69533

spscs

For people that have experience with Dungeon and Dragons here is a question I want you to answer
I was lurking around forums and I found a user that thinks that Harry potter is to Wizards to what Edward Cullen is to Vampires.
He claimed that he had experience as a DM and that he said that actually Harry is an offense to vampires,

Disregard him,

I want to hear your opinions.

>>69536
forgot to add that he says that Dungeon and Dragons have an accurate portray of how a Wizard should be...

>>69536
Do you mean Harry is an offense to wizards?

Anyways, obviously Harry Potter wizards are quite different than Dungeons and Dragons wizards. Unfortunately I haven't read the books or seen the movies so I can't give much perspective on them.

If anything I think the reaction to Twilight was stronger because vampires typically had a more "serious" nature and having them sparkle and stuff was... yeah. Wizards in general have always been a bit whimsical and malleable in the eyes of most, I think, so I'd think that most people don't take strong offense to messing with that sacred cow. Well, apart from people like the guy in question, I guess~

>>69539
yup, I exactly mean that~

>>69537
lol wut. It is only accurate in that persons opinion. There is no 'this is how it must be' concept.

>>69541
that is the source of all this questions~

Also, I kind of see where Ange-chan is coming from.
Beatrice was a nice villain, with motivation, yet subtitle text of a tragic story. But then the Yasu thing sort of blew it out of proportion and really made her character less likable. ... Well, as much so for a character with multiple personas.

>>69543
It's bad enough that they left out the real Beatrice entirely in the core arcs, but then they had to completely ruin her character with the Yasu nonsense. Ugh, it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

>>69544
well, I would have been okay if it was only Kanon and Shannon were different people...

>>69545
I don't really think so, though that would've helped the mystery part out a bit. But Kanon ended up being almost completely irrelevant to the whole Beatrice plot anyways.

>>69546
I suppose Kanon was going to have his own backstory

I believe regarding Battler....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ykbVt1ZaJM

>>69532
>that image

Time for more Bakas taking Tests

http://www.livestream.com/homuraresidence

Oh god that ethereal queen was unfairly hard.

>>69552

Alright, about this villains nonsense.
I don't have any real personal preference, but I disagree with Rin in some stuff.

Adding "depth" or a "sob story" to a villain doesn't always make them bad or boring.
Saying it distracts you from its "real goal" is assuming too much. Personally, I don't believe in pure good or evil, so understanding what could drive a character to commit evil actions is rather interesting to me.

Of course, in some cases it's really bad, like what Ryukishi did to Takano in Higurashi. Seeing her background was interesting and everything, but then, letting her live happily with everyone... it doesn't really make sense, imo.
Beatrice was never really "evil", so rooting for a good end with her is kinda different ok.

>>69554
Dunno, I believe I may have too free time

>>69556
Don't worry, eventually you will grow up into a businessman like anon, who spends most of his time working and watching or reading Chinese cartoons.

>>69527
If you're unable to sympathise at all with people because they do evil things, then that might be your own problem? Personally the kind of fiction I enjoy the most is the kind where I can really feel for both sides.

I found both Kotomine and Beatrice to be extremely sympathetic villains, though, so maybe I just have too much empathy for my own good.

It's one thing to give character depth or something, but to do it to the point of where the author is forcing you to feel sorry for the character, especially a villain, feels wrong.

That's where I agree with Ange-chan on.

hi

I agree completely with ange.

It feels like a tack on when the villain doing evil things has some "pity me" or sympathetic reason for doing so. It's like the author is trying to force an emotion out of you, which I usually don't like.

Take Erika. Great villain, most people really liked her. She stood by being what she was until the end. Same with Kotomine and Kafka. I like my villains like I like my steak: raw and bloody.

>>69559
Agreed.
For instance, Wakfu's Nox was in my opinion a great villain. He wasn't lol pure evil, in fact he saves Yugo's father from a curse, because from his guilt of being a bad father for his own family.

>>69561
Well, certainly Erika stood by what she was doing until the end, but that's hardly the issue, is it? I'm not saying that a villain should necessarily have to reform, just that they should have an understandable reason for becoming the way they did in a way that makes them into a believable human being.

I'd say that the scene in the guestroom with Dlanor in EP6 provides that perfectly well for Erika. I personally did feel sorry for her when she died at the end of the episode, really; and I believe that we were supposed to feel sympathy for her, considering that Battler feels the need to invite her to the party in EP8.

>>69563
>that we were supposed to feel sympathy for her
Looks like you missed the point of what we are saying.

>>69563
In the end it really just comes down to personal preference. I don't wanna offend or start any big arguments on what a villain "should" or shouldn't be; everyone likes what they like.

Certainly it's nice to have villains who you can relate to, villains that have interesting and conflicting reasons for doing all kinds of nasty stuff. It would get boring if every villain was just insane and in it for the lulz. As for Erika, I do agree that you could have felt sympathy for her, but I most vividly remember her line before dying about how a "villain must remain a villain to the end!"

Though, in my opinion, I don't think every single villain should be a believable human being. Some people can just be nasty and sociopathic out there, like Piece, so it's nice to see it show up in the villain trophes~

>>69561
Erika actually had her "sympathetic" stage where we learnt why she's obsessed with the truth. However that was all of it, the matter wasn't really mentioned ever again, so yeah, I think that was well written.

>It's like the author is trying to force an emotion out of you.
Wouldn't that mean that you should ignore every feeling for a character then?
>The best guy ever had a terrible death
That damn mangaka wanted me to get sad, what a jerk.
>This cute girl did something cute
Damn studio want me to buy figurines, I'm totally dropping this thing.
>MC finally confronts the villain
Silly writer did this to get me all excited, meh, I'm reading a book instead.

>>69566
Well, if I could quote Rin from earlier,

>>69523

It usually seems to me that the reveal of a "sob story" or similar background is some weird attempt to add depth to the villain, trying to get you to go "ohhhh, so that's why! I just love him now!". It just usually comes off as shallow and petty to me in the case of sob stories and villains.

>>69567
In that case the issue is probably more that sympathetic villains aren't always handled well, rather than that there's something inherently bad about trying to make a villain sympathetic.

>>69568
Could be! Surely there are better examples of sympathetic villains out there, ones that I haven't been exposed too since I'm so dense.

Makes me wonder where Griffin would fall. He's pretty complex, from what I hear, and I wonder if people have sympathy for him. Moreover, you said you found Kotomine sympathetic? If I think on it, I suppose he was a bit sympathetic; the scene in F/Z where he cries that Angry Manjew has a right to exist comes to mind.

Even if he was inhumane, it's not like he could help it any more than Kerry could help being an emo sour-puss~

I think the best villains do it for good reason.

Even if that reason makes sense to only them.

I'm not saying you should love a villain, but you can feel some empathy even for your enemy.

In any case, I would agree with everyone else with the next line: If the author is trying to force you to feel something, then he isn't probably doing a good job.

>>69569
I haven't actually watched F/Z yet, but I did find that one interlude in Heavens Feel to be a rare instance of the "now that I know his backstory I suddenly love him" effect.

I mean, what do you even really do in that situation, when your morality is just so out of tune with the rest of the world and you have absolutely no way to change it? The guy is practically a hero for even trying for so long to become normal even though he had absolutely no concept of happiness or value. And that backstory about his wife really drove that home in a very effective way.

It occurs to me that it's kind of interesting that Kirei is a weird example of "I do it for the evulz" and "sympathetic villain" somehow both pulled off in the same character.

>>69570
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fHGUqZkp90

>>69567
>like Piece
なんですって?？

>>69571
Agreed to a certain extend. Just for the lulz could also mean "I'm so high this looks fun".
>>69573
Why is Kotomine sympathetic again? He's a great character but I don't remember nasu ever trying fanbase to feel bad for him.

>>69572
Is it good to feel empathy for super terrible villains though? Maybe there are certain lines that should never be crossed, no matter how noble your intentions are~

>>69573
A-Ack, I should be more careful not to spoil things!

Yeah, I totally had the sense that he was "noble" for trying so long to stay an actual good, honest man: he was a priest for cryin' out loud. I remember reading that even since before he knew his wife, he realized how sadistic he was, but he kept it down inside because he knew it was considered "wrong" by the majority. Seeing him get tempted by Gil and slowly give in was really interesting to watch develop.

I realize that I was somewhat off probably; I counted Kotomine as a villain sorely in it for the lulz, and though he did kinda end up that way he started off differently. He really is like a mix of both worlds.

>>69554
Okay, I admit it's possible to do it--in theory. I haven't yet come across a villain I could actually feel sympathy for that I could also label as engaging or entertaining as the alternative, however~ Most of the time I see it as a sad attempt to make us feel sorry for a character who's done awful things and has already crossed the line into irredeemable for me.

I will say that some villains work better for some kinds of stories, and I think it's bad to dismiss "pure evil" villains for a story where it's nice to have a clear good side and a clear bad side--these things can actually benefit a story! Shades of gray morality doesn't always make a story better, nor is it needed. Sauron didn't need no stinking sob story background, for example, it would've only detracted from The Lord of the Rings to attempt to add one~

>>69558
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you one little bit. Kotomine wasn't sympathetic in any way, shape, or form. His whole character is that he likes doing evil things because they bring him pleasure. That's pretty much the textbook definition of "bad guy." Erika was just an annoying brat who also happened to be a sociopath-murderer.

To sum it up nicely with a favorite quote of mine:

"It's not just about raw power. It's about how far you're willing to go before feeling bad. And me? I ripped off my own living flesh just so that I wouldn't have to admit weakness. You're strictly little league compared to that. That right there? That's the difference between evil with a capital 'E' and your 'evil, but for a good cause' crap. One gets to be the butch, and one gets to be the bitch... Bitch."
-Xykon, to Redcloak right after he manipulated Redcloak into killing his own brother in order to protect Xykon

>>69575
僕は彼女を持ってきてください！あなたは、あなたがやった恥知らずな犬を知っている！

Uh oh, here come arguments.

I kinda feel like Kotomine was sympathetic in two ways: first, he tried for so long to live a good moral life even though he hated it, eventually failing and becoming a dick. Second, near the end he and Kerry fight and argue about how they can't "understand" each other, which leads you to realize that Kotomine cannot help being a dick, which is why he wanted to see how Angry Manjew would be like if he was born.

>>69574
Paying me with my own medicine, huh?
>>69575
>?？
>>69577
That's again where it comes the forced part.
Trying to make you feel bad for a chaotic evil character is probably gonna need some real drama, (i.e. Takano)
Where does it becomes forced and when its acceptable? I guess it's different for each story.

>>69576
Maybe you should read these scenes again:
http://honyaku.no-ip.org/index.php/FSN_HF_Day10#31.ks

http://honyaku.no-ip.org/index.php/%3D%3D11_HF_Day15.ks%3D%3D

>>69578
I guess this is just a case of different measures of value. Kirei couldn't help the fact that he was born with a desire to cause suffering. To condemn him as 'evil' simply from birth is quite a cruel thing, since he tried so hard to overcome the 'defect' he was born with.

If anything, if it was his eternal fate to become 'evil', then that is something to be pitied, not reviled.

>>69580
Different for each story, and I suppose for the skill in the ones weaving the tale. In Takano's case, I remember thinking that she went way too far; killing kids in order to become god just because some dudes shamed your dad? Course that's just my own opinion on it.

That picture reminds me of all the /a/ arguments surrounding fast wheels' death. So many kayneth fans~

>>69579
Like I told Ange-chan, Kotomine and Kiritsugu were pretty much empty shells of humans until they diverted from the paths they tried so hard to stay on.
But do I feel sympathy for either of them? Nope.

>>69581
>If anything, if it was his eternal fate to become 'evil', then that is something to be pitied, not reviled.

Now see, this is called "avoiding responsibility" and it's something I absolutely despise. For something this basic, you can't just get away with "I was born this way, it's not my fault!" In the first place, I don't believe people are born instinctively evil--nobody is. Maybe it was his upbringing, but you're not going to be able to sell to me that it wasn't something that he could overcome if he tried.

Saying "I can't help it I was born this way" or "pity them they can't help it"... ugh. People have to be held accountable for their actions. These are the weakest kinds of excuses. There's nothing to be pitied about Kotomine, I don't even buy that it would've been impossible for him to find pleasure in a normal life. Maybe the priesthood wasn't for him. Didn't mean he had to turn into a scheming, manipulative murderer. In short, I don't believe for a second Kotomine was fated to be evil--I believe he CHOSE to be evil quite willingly.

>>69579
I don't know Japanese. Speak English please.

By the way, were you the one who impersonated me on Valentine's?

>>69584
I agree with your logic, but I got the impression that his entire character was presented with the premise of being born distinctively evil.

I dunno how true that is for reality, but in the case of Kotomine I accepted it and felt some sympathy for him. Course it's still best for characters like him to be killed by a great hero like Kiritsugu~

>>69578
Was Erika a sociopath? yes. Was she an annoying brat? yes, very much. Was she a good character? I think she was. You mentioned characters' goals a while ago, and Erika seemed to me the "please hate me" kind of character. She did that work really damn good, until she become a little more neutral in EP8, but that was because of her own background.
>>69581
>Kirei couldn't help the fact that he was born with a desire to cause suffering.
Yes, of course he could. From what we are told, he never really cared of anything at all, until he found out he loved evil stuff. Did he try not to be evil? Yes, for a while, but that doesn't really change the fact he's a crazy bastard.
>>69582
Takano become completely chaotic evil because childhood traumas and pride. So well, yeah, not the best background.

>>69580
Actually, I felt like Takano was along the lines of Light Yagami or Kiritsurugu. He believed in something to the point where she became chaotic, and would do many evil things for the sake of this idea.

But Takano was fine. I didn't feel entirely sorry for her, but I did feel something when she was fighting really hard to the point where even god denied her wishes and broke her in the last chapter.

The rest was about becoming what you set out to destroy kind of thing. Fight fire with a bigger fire. Corruption.

>>69585
Hey little girl, I could say the same to you. Lookin' up every post you make in moonrunes takes effort, y'know?

"Do I have to bring up "her"? You remember what you did, you shameless dog!"

Did you enjoy my gift~? I hope it didn't offend you, great one, but I had to give you something no matter how meager.

>>69588
Yeah, her backstory wasn't great, but I still found it interesting. After all, her hardworking attitude is what molded Lambdadelta character later.

>>69587
>Erika seemed to me the "please hate me" kind of character.
Maybe if she'd actually helped the story in some way... all I enjoyed about her was seeing her get beat down and defeated, which I guess was part of the point. Unfortunately, she added very little to the overall plot of Umineko because the core arcs fell apart pretty much completely after episode 5.

>>69589
At least mine aren't google translate. When you do that while posting as me, it makes me look bad.

I guess it's fine. You did bring a little excitement to the day. Even if I wasn't intending to post.

>>69592
W-Well, I knew that aspect would offend you, but it couldn't be helped. It was enough to pass for everyone else!
I was thinking up all kinds of fun ways to wow you, but then you had to go along and kinda ruin it. It was quite rude of you, ruining my fun like that.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery. It was fun watching that little show, John adding all the right lines to further the suspense. The only thing I really regret is how obstinate you were in clinging to the truth, but I expect nothing less.

>>69591
That's probably up to what you consider the "story". If the "story" died in EP5 then yes, Erika had no chances to get involved at all.
However, if you are willing to accept the story it's still the story even if it dramatically changed, then well, Erika did some stuff there.
She along Battler(?) solved the Epitaph and showed the murders could still happen after that.
Then she and Dlannor killed aphonic-ato, causing Battler to get Deux ex machina powers.
She become Battler oponent in the next game, and along some stuff, she trapped Battler into a logic error.

None of that matters to the story because too meta or something? Well, that's up to you.

>>69591
Was I the only one who thought her over-the-top hammy nature was amusing?

>>69593
You mean John was plotting against me!?

>Belphe
Welp.

>>69595
I doubt you were the only one~

>>69594
None of that mattered because there was no payoff, no real thrills involved, and frankly it was just... I don't know, fake. If Battler really HAD revived Beatrice it might have been meaningful, but that... thing we got in episode 8 was not Beatrice. It was a pointless indulgence for all parties involved.

>>69596
Yeah, we all do! Cake, Feenie, John; they all sit around in his stream and talk about getting your pictures and voice or something. Course Cake says he met you and stuff, but Bern doesn't believe him.

>>69599
Speak of the devil! Good morning, sunshine~

>>69595
It's kind of weird. She was very annoying, but amusing at the same time.
>>69600
You really think so? I think it would have been worse if the real Beatrice had been revived.

>>69601
You must be making this up! Why do you want my pictures or my voice? That doesn't make sense. Cake already knows what I sound like.

>>69602
At least then there would've been a point to what Battler was doing. As it was it just came across as him creating his own perfect waifu that vaguely resembled Beatrice.

>>69603
It's a long story actually. It started with Bern saying she was your fan and becoming curious, then Cake started in saying he heard you talk before, which lead to other weird discussions and talks.

I mean, you know me, I'm against illusion breaking. It's shamefur dispray on your part that Cake knows what you sound like, and likewise on his part because I know what he sounds like from that time we watched boku no pico together~

>>69604
Well, I think the whole point was that Beatrice was dead, but I agree with you. I didn't like fake Beatrice either.

>>69601
Someone told me you've become a normalfag again, is this true?

>>69607
What a baseless accusation! As a member of the proud truNEET race, I am insulted!

You should tighten your leash on your Feenie, lest his little tongue gets him in trouble. By the way, I wasn't the one out clubbing or asking random seacats to meet up for old outdated kids movies~

>>69606
So? A lot of people in the metaworld were dead~ Didn't stop them from appearing and coming back after being killed~

>>69605H
Hmph. There are a few problems with that. Firstly, Bern doesn't want to know what I sound like, or what I look like.

As for Cake, he could have recorded my voice recently, since I was in vent and he knew it. He even said hello to me in chat. Now, if he wanted to deliver my voice to all you conspirators, that was the perfect time to do it. So he, at least, is not working with you.

You must just be trying to make me paranoid. Or maybe something like that actually happened, but it was certainly not an ongoing conspiracy.

Also, are you saying three people hate me? Or three people are evidence that I am a sociopath? Say it clearly.

>>69609
The whole point is than she's dead as in, can't return back because plot, being plot all this about Beatrice just being an illusion and etc, being a hint about the answer.

>>69608
So you should be, normalfag.

I'm sure Feenie can handle himself~ I would hardly call that any of the clubs I went to normal.

>>69610
Oh, so you know the inner workings of Bern's heart then? She really does know something, but no matter what I do I can't figure it out. That's a shame.
Keiki never claimed he recorded your voice; he just said he talked to you before and that you had a "sexy" voice?

I'd never try to make you paranoid! It's just that, everything you do is so seedy, so these kinds of situations occur naturally. Umm, I'd say it's the latter, but the former works too to some extent.

>>69611
But... we already KNEW all that. Or at least suspected it, from the start. Besides, it's not like the stakes or siestas or Virgilia or whatever were any more real--heck, they were even less real, and they kept coming back even after their existence was denied.

>>69612
N-Not a normalfag! If anything you're more normal than I am! I've given up a lot to join the master race y'know.

What clubs did you go to? Belphe doesn't really know much about clubs other than what /sp/ says, and they're full of meanies.

>>69614
Even if we knew or suspect it, it would have been more weird for the question* arcs' Beatrice to revive as she had nothing else to do in the story.

Ugh, always mistake answer for question.

>>69615
Aww poor little Belphe. I still love you~!

Wouldn't you like to know. :3c

>>69617
H-Hmpf, you shouldn't tease me like you do to Feenie! I'm not as submissive as him, and I'm twice as clever!

I bet it was a quilt club or something. Either way leaving your house and spending moniis like that is against the code, bad Keiki!

>>69613
Bern knows a fair bit about me. So does Meta, and he has looser lips. But it doesn't necessarily work the same way around. I don't know much about Bern, even less now that we haven't spoken in depth for a long time. I think Bern simply respects the illusion, is all. Even if her character is to be my fan, like your character is to be dense, there are lines that wouldn't be crossed.

Your fantasy view of me is interesting. In truth I don't do anything, let alone anything seedy.

>>69616
But she SHOULD have had something else to do in the story, that's the point~

In any case, if she truly was done, then Battler shouldn't have been trying to revive her anyways.

>>69619
Funny, I thought it was the reverse considering Meta and Bern. I think you want her to respect the illusion since she found out something beyond that line. It's honestly tough, to balance the illusion between curiosity and amusement. You find out too much and the game ends, but you don't push enough and it's stagnant!

Come now, no need to be modest. That little sociopathic "spin" was enough to make at least two people, maybe three, bothered and upset. Seedy business follows seedy people~

>>69618
Uwa! Sounds scary~ I'll be sure to be careful~

Time for video games, goodbye for now cutie.

>>69622
Goodbye, Master~!

Your ass is grass if you betray the NEETcode three times, remember that.

>>69621
Meta has betrayed secrecy once. If he hadn't, Evange would be resting in peace, not piece. I don't think Bern ever has. But that's not my only basis. Not only does Bern know things without revealing them, I think she stopped herself from knowing things because of respect for the illusion.

As for this sociopath business, you mean to say Lili, Luci and Friend? Is that all?

>>69624
I don't really even remember what happened with the Evange fiasco. Oh sure, Bern knows things. She logs like everything ever. For most people it doesn't really matter, as most don't really try to hide, or lie, or play coy with weird sociopathic games and the like.

But when it comes to someone like you who likes the cloak and dagger shtick, she'd be useful! Too bad she's neutral good instead of chaotic neutral.
What more could there be? It's clear that two of those people outright voiced their opposition to what you did. Not really sure on the third, even though you "appeared" to be arguing with an old friend around the same timeframe~

>>69625
I'm not really so fond of such skullduggery. However, it seems that having a sob story will just make you more despised, so it's better to play the villain.

Are you saying it might have been an act?

>>69626
Ah, so it's more like the Kotomine problem. Even trying to explain it just causes more problems. Scenarios like that are really fun to watch! Just accept the hate and be what you are, since it's not like you can change it anyway.

I'm not saying it, but I'm implying it pretty damn hard.

>>69627
If someone does something villainous, only to turn around and claim 'twas but an act, only to pull the very same thing again later, which conclusion do you reach?

1. It's all an act. They have tricked me the same way before, that is evidence.
2. It can't be an act. This happened before, and so proves it wasn't an act to begin with.

>>69628
Does it really matter? Either conclusion can still lead people to resentment.

I think in general most would chose the latter, but I personally would give more weight to the former.

>>69629
I'll leave it at that. Things have been relatively calm around here, I wouldn't want to turn anyone's stomach.

>>69630
Indeed, better to not upset Lili. Your very presence seems to cause resentment nowadays.

I would ponder which conclusion might fall into this better, but I'm all fuzzy with fatigue~

>>69631
I took too long to post. You must already be asleep. Alas, dear Belphe.

>>69632
The interesting thing about this particular poison is the wide array of antidotes. The effects of each don't seem to last very long, but if you look hard enough you can find them anywhere!

B-But still, you shouldn't take long to post! Meta has high attributes in that skillset.

>>69633
Aren't you going to sleep?

>>69631
Goddamn you, you always show up when I'm busy doing other stuff.

>>69634
Yeah, but I wanted to say goodbye first!

>>69635
Oh hey John~
At least I managed to actually talk to you this time, good timing! You're slowly improving, nii-san.

I'm super sleepy though, so time for bed. We shall meet again in the future...probably!

>>69636
You had my hopes up. Goodnight, Belphe.