>>69584
I agree with your logic, but I got the impression that his entire character was presented with the premise of being born distinctively evil.

I dunno how true that is for reality, but in the case of Kotomine I accepted it and felt some sympathy for him. Course it's still best for characters like him to be killed by a great hero like Kiritsugu~

>>69578
Was Erika a sociopath? yes. Was she an annoying brat? yes, very much. Was she a good character? I think she was. You mentioned characters' goals a while ago, and Erika seemed to me the "please hate me" kind of character. She did that work really damn good, until she become a little more neutral in EP8, but that was because of her own background.
>>69581
>Kirei couldn't help the fact that he was born with a desire to cause suffering.
Yes, of course he could. From what we are told, he never really cared of anything at all, until he found out he loved evil stuff. Did he try not to be evil? Yes, for a while, but that doesn't really change the fact he's a crazy bastard.
>>69582
Takano become completely chaotic evil because childhood traumas and pride. So well, yeah, not the best background.

>>69580
Actually, I felt like Takano was along the lines of Light Yagami or Kiritsurugu. He believed in something to the point where she became chaotic, and would do many evil things for the sake of this idea.

But Takano was fine. I didn't feel entirely sorry for her, but I did feel something when she was fighting really hard to the point where even god denied her wishes and broke her in the last chapter.

The rest was about becoming what you set out to destroy kind of thing. Fight fire with a bigger fire. Corruption.

>>69585
Hey little girl, I could say the same to you. Lookin' up every post you make in moonrunes takes effort, y'know?

"Do I have to bring up "her"? You remember what you did, you shameless dog!"

Did you enjoy my gift~? I hope it didn't offend you, great one, but I had to give you something no matter how meager.

>>69588
Yeah, her backstory wasn't great, but I still found it interesting. After all, her hardworking attitude is what molded Lambdadelta character later.

>>69587
>Erika seemed to me the "please hate me" kind of character.
Maybe if she'd actually helped the story in some way... all I enjoyed about her was seeing her get beat down and defeated, which I guess was part of the point. Unfortunately, she added very little to the overall plot of Umineko because the core arcs fell apart pretty much completely after episode 5.

>>69589
At least mine aren't google translate. When you do that while posting as me, it makes me look bad.

I guess it's fine. You did bring a little excitement to the day. Even if I wasn't intending to post.

>>69592
W-Well, I knew that aspect would offend you, but it couldn't be helped. It was enough to pass for everyone else!
I was thinking up all kinds of fun ways to wow you, but then you had to go along and kinda ruin it. It was quite rude of you, ruining my fun like that.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery. It was fun watching that little show, John adding all the right lines to further the suspense. The only thing I really regret is how obstinate you were in clinging to the truth, but I expect nothing less.

>>69591
That's probably up to what you consider the "story". If the "story" died in EP5 then yes, Erika had no chances to get involved at all.
However, if you are willing to accept the story it's still the story even if it dramatically changed, then well, Erika did some stuff there.
She along Battler(?) solved the Epitaph and showed the murders could still happen after that.
Then she and Dlannor killed aphonic-ato, causing Battler to get Deux ex machina powers.
She become Battler oponent in the next game, and along some stuff, she trapped Battler into a logic error.

None of that matters to the story because too meta or something? Well, that's up to you.

>>69591
Was I the only one who thought her over-the-top hammy nature was amusing?

>>69593
You mean John was plotting against me!?

>Belphe
Welp.

>>69595
I doubt you were the only one~

>>69594
None of that mattered because there was no payoff, no real thrills involved, and frankly it was just... I don't know, fake. If Battler really HAD revived Beatrice it might have been meaningful, but that... thing we got in episode 8 was not Beatrice. It was a pointless indulgence for all parties involved.

>>69596
Yeah, we all do! Cake, Feenie, John; they all sit around in his stream and talk about getting your pictures and voice or something. Course Cake says he met you and stuff, but Bern doesn't believe him.

>>69599
Speak of the devil! Good morning, sunshine~

>>69595
It's kind of weird. She was very annoying, but amusing at the same time.
>>69600
You really think so? I think it would have been worse if the real Beatrice had been revived.

>>69601
You must be making this up! Why do you want my pictures or my voice? That doesn't make sense. Cake already knows what I sound like.

>>69602
At least then there would've been a point to what Battler was doing. As it was it just came across as him creating his own perfect waifu that vaguely resembled Beatrice.

>>69603
It's a long story actually. It started with Bern saying she was your fan and becoming curious, then Cake started in saying he heard you talk before, which lead to other weird discussions and talks.

I mean, you know me, I'm against illusion breaking. It's shamefur dispray on your part that Cake knows what you sound like, and likewise on his part because I know what he sounds like from that time we watched boku no pico together~

>>69604
Well, I think the whole point was that Beatrice was dead, but I agree with you. I didn't like fake Beatrice either.

>>69601
Someone told me you've become a normalfag again, is this true?

>>69607
What a baseless accusation! As a member of the proud truNEET race, I am insulted!

You should tighten your leash on your Feenie, lest his little tongue gets him in trouble. By the way, I wasn't the one out clubbing or asking random seacats to meet up for old outdated kids movies~

>>69606
So? A lot of people in the metaworld were dead~ Didn't stop them from appearing and coming back after being killed~

>>69605H
Hmph. There are a few problems with that. Firstly, Bern doesn't want to know what I sound like, or what I look like.

As for Cake, he could have recorded my voice recently, since I was in vent and he knew it. He even said hello to me in chat. Now, if he wanted to deliver my voice to all you conspirators, that was the perfect time to do it. So he, at least, is not working with you.

You must just be trying to make me paranoid. Or maybe something like that actually happened, but it was certainly not an ongoing conspiracy.

Also, are you saying three people hate me? Or three people are evidence that I am a sociopath? Say it clearly.

>>69609
The whole point is than she's dead as in, can't return back because plot, being plot all this about Beatrice just being an illusion and etc, being a hint about the answer.

>>69608
So you should be, normalfag.

I'm sure Feenie can handle himself~ I would hardly call that any of the clubs I went to normal.

>>69610
Oh, so you know the inner workings of Bern's heart then? She really does know something, but no matter what I do I can't figure it out. That's a shame.
Keiki never claimed he recorded your voice; he just said he talked to you before and that you had a "sexy" voice?

I'd never try to make you paranoid! It's just that, everything you do is so seedy, so these kinds of situations occur naturally. Umm, I'd say it's the latter, but the former works too to some extent.

>>69611
But... we already KNEW all that. Or at least suspected it, from the start. Besides, it's not like the stakes or siestas or Virgilia or whatever were any more real--heck, they were even less real, and they kept coming back even after their existence was denied.

>>69612
N-Not a normalfag! If anything you're more normal than I am! I've given up a lot to join the master race y'know.

What clubs did you go to? Belphe doesn't really know much about clubs other than what /sp/ says, and they're full of meanies.

>>69614
Even if we knew or suspect it, it would have been more weird for the question* arcs' Beatrice to revive as she had nothing else to do in the story.

Ugh, always mistake answer for question.

>>69615
Aww poor little Belphe. I still love you~!

Wouldn't you like to know. :3c

>>69617
H-Hmpf, you shouldn't tease me like you do to Feenie! I'm not as submissive as him, and I'm twice as clever!

I bet it was a quilt club or something. Either way leaving your house and spending moniis like that is against the code, bad Keiki!

>>69613
Bern knows a fair bit about me. So does Meta, and he has looser lips. But it doesn't necessarily work the same way around. I don't know much about Bern, even less now that we haven't spoken in depth for a long time. I think Bern simply respects the illusion, is all. Even if her character is to be my fan, like your character is to be dense, there are lines that wouldn't be crossed.

Your fantasy view of me is interesting. In truth I don't do anything, let alone anything seedy.

>>69616
But she SHOULD have had something else to do in the story, that's the point~

In any case, if she truly was done, then Battler shouldn't have been trying to revive her anyways.

>>69619
Funny, I thought it was the reverse considering Meta and Bern. I think you want her to respect the illusion since she found out something beyond that line. It's honestly tough, to balance the illusion between curiosity and amusement. You find out too much and the game ends, but you don't push enough and it's stagnant!

Come now, no need to be modest. That little sociopathic "spin" was enough to make at least two people, maybe three, bothered and upset. Seedy business follows seedy people~

>>69618
Uwa! Sounds scary~ I'll be sure to be careful~

Time for video games, goodbye for now cutie.

>>69622
Goodbye, Master~!

Your ass is grass if you betray the NEETcode three times, remember that.

>>69621
Meta has betrayed secrecy once. If he hadn't, Evange would be resting in peace, not piece. I don't think Bern ever has. But that's not my only basis. Not only does Bern know things without revealing them, I think she stopped herself from knowing things because of respect for the illusion.

As for this sociopath business, you mean to say Lili, Luci and Friend? Is that all?

>>69624
I don't really even remember what happened with the Evange fiasco. Oh sure, Bern knows things. She logs like everything ever. For most people it doesn't really matter, as most don't really try to hide, or lie, or play coy with weird sociopathic games and the like.

But when it comes to someone like you who likes the cloak and dagger shtick, she'd be useful! Too bad she's neutral good instead of chaotic neutral.
What more could there be? It's clear that two of those people outright voiced their opposition to what you did. Not really sure on the third, even though you "appeared" to be arguing with an old friend around the same timeframe~

>>69625
I'm not really so fond of such skullduggery. However, it seems that having a sob story will just make you more despised, so it's better to play the villain.

Are you saying it might have been an act?

>>69626
Ah, so it's more like the Kotomine problem. Even trying to explain it just causes more problems. Scenarios like that are really fun to watch! Just accept the hate and be what you are, since it's not like you can change it anyway.

I'm not saying it, but I'm implying it pretty damn hard.

>>69627
If someone does something villainous, only to turn around and claim 'twas but an act, only to pull the very same thing again later, which conclusion do you reach?

1. It's all an act. They have tricked me the same way before, that is evidence.
2. It can't be an act. This happened before, and so proves it wasn't an act to begin with.

>>69628
Does it really matter? Either conclusion can still lead people to resentment.

I think in general most would chose the latter, but I personally would give more weight to the former.

>>69629
I'll leave it at that. Things have been relatively calm around here, I wouldn't want to turn anyone's stomach.

>>69630
Indeed, better to not upset Lili. Your very presence seems to cause resentment nowadays.

I would ponder which conclusion might fall into this better, but I'm all fuzzy with fatigue~

>>69631
I took too long to post. You must already be asleep. Alas, dear Belphe.

>>69632
The interesting thing about this particular poison is the wide array of antidotes. The effects of each don't seem to last very long, but if you look hard enough you can find them anywhere!

B-But still, you shouldn't take long to post! Meta has high attributes in that skillset.

>>69633
Aren't you going to sleep?

>>69631
Goddamn you, you always show up when I'm busy doing other stuff.

>>69634
Yeah, but I wanted to say goodbye first!

>>69635
Oh hey John~
At least I managed to actually talk to you this time, good timing! You're slowly improving, nii-san.

I'm super sleepy though, so time for bed. We shall meet again in the future...probably!

>>69636
You had my hopes up. Goodnight, Belphe.