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39 No. 39
Welcome to my tea party! I have opened this game to challenge any and all opponents to a battle of wits!
This gameboard is unlike any other. This is a specially-crafted gameboard, which took a long time to prepare.
I hope you enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed writing it.

This is my third fanmade visual novel.

*Warning: This Game Contains EP7 Spoilers! Please Read EP7 Before Playing This!*
http://http://www.mediafire.com/?z7y5y3sb8rncdh2
Install the game just like you would install a Witch-Hunt translation patch.

RULES:

Knox's 1st. It is forbidden for the culprit to be anyone not mentioned in the early part of the story.
(in this game, the early part is the first day)
Knox's 2nd. It is forbidden for supernatural agencies to be employed as a detective technique.
Knox's 3rd. It is forbidden for hidden passages to exist.
(a “hidden passage is a passage that the detective cannot find during the course of the game)
Knox's 4th. It is forbidden for unknown drugs or hard to understand scientific devices to be used.
(Knox’s 5th is not included in this set of rules)
Knox's 6th. It is forbidden for accident or intuition to be employed as a detective technique.
Knox's 7th. It is forbidden for the detective to be the culprit.
Knox's 8th. It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented.
Knox's 9th. It is permitted for observers to let their own conclusions and interpretations be heard.
Knox's 10th. It is forbidden for a character to disguise themselves as another without any clues.
Van Dine's 1st. The reader must have equal opportunity with the detective.
Van Dine's 2nd. No tricks may be played on the reader other than tricks which the culprit has played on the detective.
Van Dine's 3rd. The detective must not have a love interest.
Van Dine's 4th. The detective must not be the culprit.
Van Dine's 5th. The culprit must be determined by logical deductions.
Van Dine's 6th. There must be a detective, and the detective must detect.
Van Dine's 7th. There must be at least one murder in the story.
Van Dine's 8th. The crime must be solved strictly by naturalistic means.
Van Dine's 9th. There must be only one detective in the story.
Van Dine's 10th. The culprit must turn out to be someone who has played a more or less prominent part in the story.
Van Dine's 11th. A servant must not be the culprit.
Van Dine's 12th. There must be only one culprit, although they may have one minor helper or co-plotter as an accomplice.
Van Dine's 13th. Secret societies have no place in a detective story.
Van Dine's 14th. The method of murder, and means of detecting it, must be rational and scientific.
Van Dine's 15th. The solution to the problem must be apparent, and this fact should be noticeable to the reader while reading the story for a second time.
Van Dine's 16th. The story must not have literary content irrelevant to solving the mystery.
Van Dine's 17th. The culprit must not feel guilt for committing the crime.
Van Dine's 18th. The crime must never turn out to be an accident or a suicide.
Van Dine's 19th. The motives for all crimes must be personal.
Van Dine's 20th. These mystery cliches must not be used: the cigarette butt, the bogus se'ance, forged fingerprints, the dummy-figure alibi, the dog which does not bark, the final pinning of the crime on a twin, the hypodermic syringe, committing the murder in the locked room after it was broken into, the word association test, and the cipher or code letter which is eventually unraveled by the detective.

There is Knox. There is Dine. And yet, there is no Fair!


I will allow /seacats/ to use THREE THEORIES ONLY. Each theory must explain the who, how, and why, while following the above mystery novel rules.
Ideally, the players will discuss their theories in a separate thread and come to an agreement before presenting it to me. I will first deny it using the mystery novel rules. If I cannot deny it further, I will ask if it is their "final answer", and either confirm or deny each part of it.
If all three theories are given, and none of them are correct, I win. If one of those theories is completely correct, /seacats/ wins.


Your odds of winning are one in quadrillion. Good luck.
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>> No. 40
NOTE: Normally I would have given you all a few more chances, but due to certain "circumstances" you guys have a ton more information to work with than intended. Besides, if I give you too many chances you won't play serious, and what's the fun in that?

So, this is my challenge to you all. Let the real game begin!
>> No. 117
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Question. When we state our first theory (final answer), for example, will you tell us if it's right or wrong? Will you give us hints, tell us what parts are wrong specifically, etc.? Just curious.
>> No. 121

If he is as evil as Rosa (I think he is) and the theory don't violate knox or dine then we might get a single red text destroying the theory.

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>>117
Whodunnit, howdunnit, whydunnit.

I want answers to those three questions.

If you're wrong, I'll deny each question individually. 'Person X is not the culprit', 'Trick X doesn't work', 'Reason X is not correct', etc.

I was considering hints, but the ones I thought of might make it too obvious. Maybe after all three tries are used up, I'll start giving cryptic hints to lead you on the right track.
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Almost forgot, updated version (1.73) here.
http://www.mediafire.com/?hwss4ad7ehh7wsb

It is done.
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As a reminder:

You have ONE HOUR left to present your theory.

And also, when you do post it. I won't go easy on you.
>> No. 219
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>> No. 220
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Alright Kinjo, steel yourself, for this is the truth! The one, final, perfect truth that the members of /Seacats/ have reached after our thousand-year journey! If we are correct in our reasoning, then you have been completely exposed, and you will not be able to stand against the onslaught which is soon to follow. We have read your narrative, examined the clues, and hereby declare our solution to this twisted tale. No more shall the vile criminal roam freely to disgrace the will of the living. The demands of justice must be satisfied, and a remorseless killer given their due. With this, it is our intention to deliver in full. The catbox you’ve so painstakingly crafted has at long last been torn asunder, it’s guts drawn out for all to cast their shimmering eyes upon.

So then endless witch Kinjo, Highmaster of the Inquisition and current Territory Lord of Rokkenjima,

The true culprit…..

…………IS YOU!


That’s right you crafty bastard, you did it. You smiled as we ran about in circles attempting to reason things out, no doubt with the grandest of expressions decorating your visage the entire time; you even went so far as to point a gun right at us as you announced the completion of your treasured tale. And of course, every step along the way, we fell for it, but no longer - the charade you’ve been putting on ends here. I am certain though, that you won’t be satisfied until I put this in a language with which you are so dangerously familiar, so with that I’ll digress with my monologue and make it official:

Doctor Nanjo is the culprit of Inquisition of the golden witch!


There are three main questions we need to answer in order for us to completely shatter the veil that surrounds this mystery. The first of these, the WHODUNNIT, has been answered, and will be further elaborated upon in the proceeding passages. I’ll now describe to you in detail the WHYDUNNIT, the explanation as to why the good doctor would go so far as to murder the entire Ushiromiya clan in cold blood.
Simply put, he needed money, in all likelihood a lot of it, right now. Before Nanjo goes on to tell his story about his talk with Kinzo, he mentions his granddaughter, a young girl whom he rather hesitantly describes as suffering from an obscure mental disorder. At first glance, one might be tempted to dismiss the nature of this mysterious girl’s illness as being unimportant, but if we look a little more closely, isn’t it odd how there just so happens to be an individual of such description living on this very island? That’s right Kinjo, I’m saying that Nanjo’s unnamed granddaughter is none other than Yasu herself! How this came to be is anyone’s guess. It’s most likely the case that after Natsuhi’s abandoning of the child, Nanjo took pity on her after saving her life, and so decided to adopt her as his own granddaughter. This is why she was selected to work at the Ushiromiya mansion. Therefore, because of this, Nanjo had a clear and discernable motive, one which was clearly hinted at in the story. Nanjo, assuming Erika goes to the guesthouse, is also the very first person in the game encountered. Both Knox’s 8th and Knox 1st are satisfied by this theory.


Now, while this choice of culprit and motive adhere to Knox, what about Van Dine? You would be correct in saying that Nanjo was far from alone when it comes to his desire for money, after all, it’s a well known fact at this point that as a collective group, the Ushiromiya family’s ability to manage their incredible wealth is notoriously poor. However, in this highly unusual Kakera, Nanjo’s situation is unique. This is where Krauss’s discussion with his siblings comes in. Ordinarily, Kinzo would probably have left a will or something similar declaring his final wishes. Nanjo, being one of Kinzo’s closest confidents, would naturally assume he’d be included, due to receive his fair share as compensation for all of the miserable years he wasted playing chess with the old warlock. However, in this fragment, the inheritance is not distributed in such a way; in this fragment, Krauss buckles under the pressure and decides to reveal his father’s passing. Truly, this was a one-in-a-million occurrence, a Miracle. That is to say of course, a miracle to everyone BUT Nanjo. That’s because, on this Rokkenjima, Krauss authoritatively takes the position of the headship upon himself; this includes all of the responsibilities that go with it, including the distribution of the inheritance. Certainly, this was not something Nanjo would ever have thought likely to happen. The second Nanjo found out that the siblings would be dividing up their claims to the money equally, I’m sure he did quite the double take. With all of the issues(especially his failing marriage) on his mind, as well as with his recently repaired family relationships, Krauss probably didn’t even give Nanjo a second thought. After all, the physician was an old friend of Kinzo’s, not Krauss’s. At this point, Nanjo probably realized he wouldn’t be getting so much as a penny of Kinzo’s money. He couldn’t take it any longer, the combined stresses of his financial situation and Sayo’s condition worsening due to Battler’s absence caused him to snap. Because the siblings money issues were taken care of, but Nanjo’s remained, VD 19 is hereby satisfied, the motive was indeed highly personal. Also note that because Nanjo is technically a family associate/employee, and is not on the servant’s roster, VD 11 is hereby satisfied as well.

Therefore, With this, the WHYDUNNIT is solved.

Are you starting to sweat yet Kinjo? Has your flesh gone pale as you feel the witch’s violent power seep coldly and mercilessly out of you? With each of my blues, another one of your precious illusionary barriers is silently shattered. Truth is remorseless.
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So then, with culprit and motive each exposed to the light of day, only the final strike remains: The HOWDUNNIT. With this I shall be quick and merciful. The clues are all in place, and moreso than anyone else, they all seem to point directly at Nanjo. It really was bold of you, you know, making yourself the final mastermind that like. In the end though, even you knew how risky of a maneuver it was, because at the very moment we would stop to seriously consider such a prospect, you also knew that we’d put things together and see that it all fit perfectly; we would know you couldn’t allow such an opportunity to pass you by. At that moment, your heart would be exposed, and it would already be over.

Alright then Kinjo, enough reasoning. Let‘s end this. Here is how Nanjo accomplished each twilight, one by one.

1st twilight - Nanjo, being a practicing physician and having medical knowledge, knows precisely how to fake his death after killing the each of the shed victims during the night, including POOR INNOCENT NATSUHI, WHO IS NOT AT ALL THE CULPRIT. How does he fake his death? Simple. He exchanges the body of the dead family head for his own, bashing in the face to conceal his identity. This switch most likely took place immediately after Erika is forced away from the shed by Genji. For Nanjo to commit any further murders, he would obviously need a substitute corpse, and Kinzo’s would work quite nicely. Indeed, even if we attempt to remain in Kinzo’s study the entire time, to keep watch over the body, Erika will inevitably be forced out of the room and into the hallway by Genji who takes her to the first twilight. It is an inescapable fate, she cannot keep track of Kinzo’s body at all times, and so there always exists at least a brief window period for Nanjo to move the body. A fake death is permissible under VD20 because an artificial body was not used, a real one was, therefore no “dummy“ figure exists. -With this strike, I draw blood.

2nd twilight - As Kinzo’s personal friend, Nanjo would have extensive access to his personal repository of chemicals and other alchemical ingredients. Knowing Kinzo’s eccentricities, it isn’t unlikely he would have poisons that would be capable of causing death. He sets up the trap Erika discovers in the kitchen that kills Rudolph and Kyrie. It is most likely activated remotely, so that the doctor doesn’t accidentally kill Shannon. -With this strike, I tear apart the flesh upon your chest.

3rd twilight - Nanjo has Maria place the mysterious letter after telling her he is possessed by Beatrice earlier. This is supported by the fact that Maria comes to Erika’s defense when the incident occurs; to her, the letter is from Beatrice. If Nanjo’s granddaughter really was Yasu, it would make sense for the letter to be about her. -With this strike, I laugh.

4th twilight - While the others are occupied, Nanjo takes the opportunity to burn Kinzo’s body. Perhaps the two never were that close after all. -With this strike, I gouge your forehead.

5th twilight - Nanjo, being Kinzo’s chess partner, has an intimate enough knowledge of the study to set up a trap inside of it. Potentially having some minor knowledge of the epitaph, he sets a gun to go off at the first person to reach for the atlas. -With this strike, I gouge your wounded chest.

6th twilight - Nanjo kills Maria from outside on the ledge, using the secret passageway that Erika discoveres. -With this strike, I gouge your stomach.

7th twilight - Rosa is murdered by Nanjo after she leaves with Genji to get first aid for her wounds. - With this strike, I gouge your Knee.

8th twilight - Genji is murdered by Nanjo after he leaves with Rosa to get first aid for her wounds. - With this strike, I gouge your leg. You can no longer stand. The end is imminent.

9th twilight - Krauss is killed while trying to protect Erika. Nanjo unintentionally frames his own adopted granddaughter. - With this strike, I at last finish the vile witch off, may he eternally rest in peace.


This mystery is solved.

Deny it if you can. If not,

It’s checkmate
>> No. 222
THIS IS OUR FIRST GUESS
>> No. 223
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>>222
NANJO IS NOT THE CULPRIT!!!
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>>223
>> No. 225
>>223
THE REAL CULPRIT WILL NEVER BE AS AWESOME AS WILL-NANJO
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Other than that Nanjo is not "the culprit," it's possible that a large portion of the theory contains truth. How far would you take answering each question individually?

>>123

I believe us defending every part of the theory would be worthwhile.
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>>226
I said Nanjo isn't the culprit, right? With the wrong culprit there's no motive, and all of the howdunnits involved Nanjo committing the murders.

Looks like they're all denied, huh?
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>>227
Word play......
>> No. 229
>>227
Removing "Nanjo" from the theory (since it's wrong), the methods and motives could apply to anyone. For example, the culprit faked his or her death during the the first twilight.

Nanjo or not, this is part of the "howdunnit" question.
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>>229
And how exactly would they fake their death? Van Dine's 20th prevents any dummy figures from being used. Are you saying the same trick Genji mentioned would work with Eva or Natsuhi as the culprit?
>> No. 232
>>227
Can you assure us that the doctor is indeed named Nanjo? If they're a fake Nanjo, like the fake Battler from before, then there's still a chance.

And I can't get blue to work.
>> No. 233
Hmph. To answer your question sufficiently would take another guess, so I'll just say "yes, it was possible for others."
>> No. 235
regardless I believe the 2nd, 3rd & and 4th twilight's still stand regardless of Nanjo. We said Kyrie and Rudolf were killed via a remotely operated trap, Maria placed the letter, Hideyoshi was killed by a trap. Those were the hows we chose.
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>>232
On October 4th, 1986, the real Doctor Nanjo definitely existed on Rokkenjima.

>>233
>>235
.....Maria did not place the letter.
>> No. 238
>>236
Maybe the real doctor left at a certain point, only to be replaced by a fake.

Even without any replacement, we must be sure of which Doctor Nanjo you mean. How about distinguishing between the fat one from the VN, his son, and his granddaughter? Perhaps they were all doctors? The Nanjo we were referring to could have been any of these, in addition to anyone that posed as Nanjo.
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>>236
Thank you. For even though we tacked out 'whodunit' onto the portion of our 'howdunits' some of them still stand alone, and are different parts of the equation, and you said you would answer each part.

These last two also stand alone.

6th twilight - Nanjo (The who) kills Maria from outside on the ledge, using the secret passageway that Erika discovers. (The how)

9th twilight - Krauss is killed while trying to protect Erika.

Both the 6th and 9th also stand alone without the 'who' we tacked on, please answer them as well.
>> No. 240
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>>238
There was only one person named Nanjo on October 4th, 1986 on Rokkenjima. That Nanjo I am referring to was indeed the fat old man, not his son or granddaughter.

>>239
....Those are correct.
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>>240
A the 2nd twilight and 4th?

2nd. A trap Erika discovers in the kitchen that kills Rudolph and Kyrie. It is most likely activated remotely. (The Howdunnit)

4th twilight- Sets a gun to go off at the first person to reach for the atlas. (The howdunnit)

You must deny these in red since they were our how. Since: I'll qoute you. "I'll deny each question individually."
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>>241
....Those are also correct.
>> No. 243
>>240
During the course of the game, was there ever a case in which someone other than the fat old man was thought of as Nanjo?
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>>243
Only fat old men could be thought of as Nanjo during the course of this game.
>> No. 245
>>244
>plural
During the course of the game, was there ever more than one fat old man?
>> No. 246
>>245
Isn't Kinzo kind of fat? lol
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>>245
I was willing to accept the other requests before, but this is getting ridiculous.

Phrase it in blue if you want me to say something about it.
>> No. 248
>>247
Well, theory or not, I'm merely asking about factors unrelated to the "crime," as worded by Van Dine's 8th. There's no problem with confirming definitions, right? As Rosa said, Kinzo and George may be considered fat, and are therefore valid candidates for the name of Nanjo.
>> No. 249
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>>248
Ah, Van Dine's 8th. Alright then.

There was more than one fat old man on Rokkenjima during the course of the game.
>> No. 250
>>249
Erika can be lied to when she uses her theater power, yes or no.

And to quote you again. You said once in one of the streams, we could ask you questions that you would answer as long as it did not pertain to one the the twilight puzzles.
>> No. 252
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>>250
Short answer: Yes.

Theatergoing Authority shows the truth as the speaker knows it. If the speaker was deceived into believing something about the story, then Erika can also be deceived by listening to that story from the speaker's point of view.
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Pressing Kinjo for answers, are we~? Let's be careful we do not end up fooling ourselves, now.

I'd say we gained a fair amount with this guess, though of course we're clearly still some distance from the answer. Wouldn't want to let them "higher powers" down and solve it, now would we?
>> No. 254
Umm Kinjo this is kind of a random question but. How did the culprit even kill Maria from the ledge? I mean the kickback from the rifle on a small ledge, that would most likely cause them to fall off or at least almost fall.
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>>253
You might be closer than you think.

>>254
A miracle occurred.
To be precise, they entered the room, shot Maria, and went back to the ledge. I guess I should have been more specific earlier, but that wasn't my main concern at the time.
>> No. 256
>>255
Did you ever expect that we were going to go with the Nanjo isn't really fat theory?
>> No. 257
The "Nanjo" we think is Nanjo is not the Nanjo that cannot be the culprit.

Ow.
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>>256
I was hoping you would be able to pull of a theory of that caliber. It's quite good.

>>257
No one by the name of "Nanjo" is the culprit.
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Just so you all know, I'm letting you argue in favor of your current theory until you propose a new one.
>> No. 260
>>259
The guy who shares your sprite in-game did it.
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>>260
Knox's 1st. Does "that guy" have a name?
>> No. 262
>>261
Does the culprit need a name? We only need to have a face to attribute to them.
>> No. 263
>>261
Mr. Strange. He is quite the suspect, you know.
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>>262
It would be good if the culprit had a name. Assuming he is the culprit.

>>263
His name is not Mr. Strange.
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>>264
The culprit's name... Is Kinjo!
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>>265
Very interesting idea. Knox's 8th. How do you explain this in the story?
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>>266
Has anybody seen them in the same room lately?
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>>268

.....

....Seen who?
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>>269
Kinzo and Nanjo obviously. Either one could be masquerading as the other while a different one is used as a corpse.
>> No. 271
>>266
How about this Kinjo took Nanjo's place the day Beatrice died at the time when Natsuhi went to the doctors. Because Nanjo was told that it was him that day, Nanjo's flashback just showed what Nanjo thought happened. Krauss and Natsuhi also thought that it was actually Nanjo so it there flashback assumed that same thing. But it was actually Kinjo pertending to be Nanjo, he even used the same doctor's coat and had Nanjo's badge on. The evidence for this is the two of them look nothing alike, even completely different facial structure.
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>>270
>>271
No and no.

I'll let you all think about that for a while, but I'm done for tonight.
>> No. 273
Sucker punch.
Maria didn't put the letter on the table, it was already there, and was left by the culprit. Maria only revealed it, unoticed because of another reason; Maybe it was somehow hidden
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>>273
The culprit did not place the letter.

Anyway, earlier since I did say I wouldn't go easy on you, I'm giving you EXACTLY 24 HOURS FROM NOW to present your second theory. If you are still confident in your first theory, keep posting blue truths here. Otherwise, start thinking of another theory to post here tomorrow.
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>>274
Oh really? But that wording ...
The letter was already on the table
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>>275
If so, then why didn't Erika find it sooner?
>> No. 277
>>276
Failed a perception check.
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>>277
.........

....Anyway, that doesn't solve anything. How long ago was the letter placed, in that case? And who placed it?
>> No. 279
>>278
No idea, and somebody whose interests conflicted with those of the killer.
>> No. 280
>>278
That damn letter.
Question, do this puzzle is something we can solve only with the text of the letter? Is this not another thing we need to do in game?
>> No. 281
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>>280
Yes. Actually, there are two ways to solve the letter. My way, and Meta's way. Meta's way is significantly easier, and requires no outside resources whatsoever. Mine, on the other hand, requires some extra knowledge.
>> No. 282
>>281
Meta solved it as well? Hmm if only were sure who placed it.
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>>281
It's a pun, isn't it?
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>>283
Well, what else do you expect from something like that?

Yes, it's epitaph-like wordplay. A very childish riddle.
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>>284
"Yasu, praise my name over the gold bar."

Clearly somebody wants them to choose between them and the gold.
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>>285
Incorrect.
>> No. 287
>>286
Somebody believes Yasu knows where the gold is.
>> No. 288
>>284
Childish wordplay? Using only the english language, right?
>> No. 289
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>>287
Incorrect (for the letter's riddle at least).
>> No. 290
>>289
This letter is being used to blackmail Yasu.
>> No. 291
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>>290
...This letter is being used to blackmail Yasu.

That's not the answer to the riddle though.
>> No. 292
>>291
That's all I got, though.
>> No. 293
Clarify: In the context of the letter, Yasu only refers to the name of a person on the island.
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>>293
In the context of the letter, Yasu only refers to the name of a person on the island.
>> No. 295
>>294
Kinjo did you know that the name Yasu can mean, Gold?
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>>295
Nope. Another funny coincidence.
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The word 'bar' at the end of the letter refers to a person's name.

The word 'bar' at the end of the letter is the writer's signature!

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In this kakera, Kanon and Shannon are not the same person!
>> No. 299
The bar at the end are referencing the katakana
'ba' and 'r'
>> No. 300
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Sorry, but now it seems like you're just shotgunning things to try and solve the riddle as fast as possible.

I want to keep the difficulty of the riddle still somewhat high, so I'll stop answering your requests. Please try and figure out the rest on your own.
>> No. 301
>>300
Ok, I didn't want to use this but.

There are no clues, that point out you need extra info, or even any clues to the answer.
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>>300
But I really thought I was on to something specific and important.

Or at least grasping the edge of something specific and important.
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>>301
Solving this riddle isn't necessary to solve the game, so that doesn't matter.

>>302
If you think so, put it in your next theory.
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>>303
Well, 'Bar' is done in gold, so naturally we think 'Gold Bar'. And a gold smith works with a gold bar, so the letter is saying "Yasu, praise the name of Goldsmith."

Let's pretend for a moment that Kanon and Shannon are separate people who share the same identity of "Yasu". This letter is addressed to Shannon, telling her to not reveal something.

Now think back to how nobody could pose as Nanjo except an old fat guy. But could only an old, fat guy pose as the corpse of Kinzo? As Kanon's is missing from the shed, I propose that it is the corpse of Kanon that takes the place of Ushiromiya Kinzo's corpse.

Or something, it seemed more organized in my head.
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Since we were discussing this in the stream just now, I might as well go ahead and post it.

We were hoping to be granted a small extension on the time limit. While we have some theories, we haven't been able to really get most of us together to put them together into something as cohesive and complete as what was submitted before.

I suppose that's the problem with having multiple detectives instead of one, we have so many different schedules and such it's difficult to coordinate everyone.
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By popular demand, I am extending the time limit another 24 hours. HOWEVER, if they accept this offer, I WILL NOT GIVE OUT ANY MORE RED UNTIL THEY POST THEIR THEORY.

I feel really bad about this. I said I would not go easy on you. But I feel like I've been going far too easy on you regardless. I want you to think, not for me to think for you. Meta solved the game using only 25% of the information you have, before the game progressed to the second day. He received far less red truths than you have, and still solved it. Meta only lost a bet, but he really did solve my game, in less than six hours. I've given you all weeks to solve it, much more information, and some times even held your hand, which Meta did not get at all, and he still solved it. This game was originally intended to be cruel and unfair, so that's how it's going to be. So, I want you to do your best to logically deduce everything without my help. Otherwise, the way things are turning out, this game will be nothing more than a practical joke, and I won't allow that to happen.
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>>306
...And I forgot to put my theory in blue.
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>>306
I'll remember this..
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>>306
>not post any more red until you give our theory
Honestly I was surprised you were giving out so much red "for free." I figured you'd have been stricter there.

I think we should be able to put together something for you in 24 hours time, but I'm sorry we're not Meta.
>> No. 310
>>306
Here's what I don't understand about that. How is it even possible to really solve the mystery without bearing witness to any of the murders? You wouldn't even know what it was you were supposed to be solving. By that logic then, wouldn't it be more accurate to say he figured out who had the best motive to commit the crime? If you're saying he reasoned out a single culprit from the PLOT, and then proceeded to explain how that culprit could have done everything, that would make perfect sense; otherwise, I guess I don't see how it would even be possible to completely solve the game without proceeding to the second day.

As long as we're on that subject though, you can confirm the killings were only possible for a single culprit who also had a motive, right? I wouldn't really call it winning if by the end of the game, we had managed to come up with an alternate, but technically possible truth, though at the same time, I wouldn't really call it losing either.
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>>310

Would you believe I learned some new tricks while I haven't been on /seacats/ talking about how our days went? No offense, but you guys don't obsess about mysteries as much as I do, so in this regard, you guys are incompetent. I could go on to tell you guys how I managed to do it, but you guys wouldn't care any which way. Just know you guys even as a collective group cannot notice the simplest of things. Even after cheating by abusing a messed up code so you guys could get ALL information you still haven't found the heart of this mystery.

Anyway, I'm answering you in place of Kinjo, he's a bit busy at the moment.
>> No. 312
>>311
Yes yes, you're a genius when it comes to mysteries, we're incompetent, etc... I'm willing to accept all of that, but it doesn't change the fact that you just deflected my question instead of answering it. I'm not saying you didn't solve the mystery, i'm asking how it's possible to do so without seeing any of the murders. Maybe you're right Meta, maybe we can't even notice the simplest of things, maybe we can't see the heart, but I'm still curious as to how you were able to solve the entire game without seeing a single one of its crimes.
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>>312

You really want to know? Fine, I'll help you out just this once.

Because I'm psychic.

Ok, jokes aside.

Ask yourself "Why? when you come to a crime or murder.

It's a technique someone showed me. I hope you understand what I mean by asking yourself that question.
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>>313

Forgot to add I scrutinized EVERYTHING with that technique, and hell, I even had to invent a new technique for me to find the culprit.

I always have trouble finding those damn culprits.
>> No. 315
>>314
So you basically asked yourself 'why' kinjo included this, why he wrote it this way, and so on? That only works out if you understand a bit about who wrote it.
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>>315

You don't need to understand the person to understand what they wrote, I connect the dots, I followed logic and reasoning, like Kinjo said, I received less red truth from him than you guys have. But to be honest, I received only two red truths in the span of six hours, which didn't give me any information aside from that "I was wrong" about two things. I denied my own theories, I used the detective rules, I asked myself "Why?" constantly, I pulled off finding the culprit in such a way even Kinjo said "wow" to.
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