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This game is a Remake of the first gameboard I made, the one I posted on October was EP2, Now you will play EP1, Curse of the Killing Demon.

red and blue work like always,
Green helps to give hints.

Unlike some Remakes, Veteran Seacats have a role on this gameboard, The only requisite is remember who was the culprit.(Those that Joined after Kinjo Ozaki and Rosa dont count as veteran for this Gameboard, therefore they can participate and give blue)

The veterans will give Green and Hint who the culprit it is.

Since this is a remake, it will fix the problems the first gameboard has....

Now... who can I count with for this gameboard?
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I must clarify that this gameboard has a time limit and that will be when anon's gameboard start.
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>>9961
Alright, let's do it!

Im more than happy to see this new game. U can count me in!
>> No. 9964 edit
>>9963
Ok, This game was initially played against Astaroth......

The gameboard will start tomorrow, and it will end on sunday...good luck everyone~
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>>9964
sounds good, i will take the day off tomorrow to really have the time to think.
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No one wanted to answer....No one wanted to scream or cry....No one wanted to yell George

-WHY ARE WE LOCKED HERE FAT?!-Asked Piece in an angry tone
-I can't believe you messed up the board- said Friend-kun

-It wasnt my fault minna-san Someone entered and messed up with the
served-said George in a weak tone


-Stop Complaining George, this is your fault- Said Astaroth

All the /Seacats/ were angry with George, since they have been locked in the island since the morning. the time was 18:00 an all the seacats were glaring at George.


-I-it isn't G-george's fault stop blaming him-Said Gogo

-Shut up Gogo, He is the admin, he should be responsible for it -said Friend-kun

-B-but

-Everyone calm down-said Rin It have been a long day, and please stop blaming George, Seacats have been acting weird since like two weeks before..
So it was natural for this to happen.I and anon already checked everything
and we will be at least here for two days.

-TWO DAYS!! -everyone screamed in shock

-No one said anything until the dinner, only the admins remained in the room while everyone else went to sleep.
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The next Morning Lucifer lurked through the mansion, to see if the served was okay, much to his changrin the server was like yesterday...
So he decided to return to /teaparty/. he tried to open the door, but it was locked, so he decided to wait in /Genji/. When he entered Genji, 4 persons were there, Astaroth,Asune,Piece and Friend-kun

Genji and Anon shortly arrived after Lucifer

and there were 7 persons in the room.
Rin, Bern Lambda and George arrived
Kinjo and Ozaki arrived an Hour later

the 14 persons started discussing the reason about why the /teaparty/ room was locked, They asked George to open the door...and what they saw wasnt pleasing at all..

Belphe Knox Hideiling Gogo Lion and Meta
The 6 of them were sleeping...
Lucifer checked the pulse of the 6....but it was useless...the six of the them were dead
There was a weird smell in the room and it was certain that It wasn't poison
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>>10002
Well, first of all I have to ask you if this game follow the rules of Knox. If u can't say it I only want to know if I can resolve this murder with the story only.

I understand that /teaparty/ and /Genji/ are rooms. Can you repeat in red the name of all the members and add something like no more humans /seacats users/ can exists.

For my first theory, ill go simple. One of 6 is the killer. He killed them and suicided or he died in an accident.Also, maybe one of the 6 managed to kill him before dying. The murder weapon can be anything physical in the room.
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>>10003
U said that there is no shotgun right? So let me explain my blue Give me a moment please.
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>>10004
First of all, There is no murder, they are just sleeping. The fact that lucifer checked their pulse doesn't mean anything.

One of the 6 is the killer.
The smell is not what we think it is, they burned the murder weapon because it was made of wood. All my first blue can work with that.
>> No. 10006 edit
>>10003
The game follow Knox
There is a mistake in my part...I mentioned Genji 2 times, I meant to say Rosa and anon. To correct my mistake I will give you a green :
There is something fishy about this murder~

By the time the murders took place..and as seen and checked by Luci

Lucifer is alive
Belphe is dead
Meta is dead
Gogo is dead
Lion is dead
Knox is dead
Hideiling is dead
Lili is alive
Astaroth is alive
Piece is alive
Friend-kun is alive
Anon is alive
Kinjo is alive
Ozaki is alive
George is alive
Rin is alive
Lambda is alive
Bernkastel is alive
Rosa is alive
and Makk is alive


Lucifer checked and there was no way something physical was used to murder the 6, None of the victims commited suicide or died by accident
>> No. 10007 edit
>>10005
First of all, There is no murder, they are just sleeping. The fact that lucifer checked their pulse doesn't mean anything.

One of the 6 is the killer.
The smell is not what we think it is, they burned the murder weapon because it was made of wood. All my first blue can work with that.

The Six are dead, there was no way for them to murder.
also the murder weapon wasnt made of wood~

>> No. 10008 edit
>>10007
whoops, that one was meant to be a quote.
>> No. 10009 edit
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>>10006 Is it a real closed room or a fake?
Let's narrow it to the door then, as I am not a medical specialist I will keep the poison for the end.

By knox 3 and 8 I present the following theory.

The detective knows about a secret passage into the room which we dont know about.

Exemple 1 There is a secret passage in the room /genji/ that leads to /teaparty/
>> No. 10010 edit
>>10009
No secret passage exist, George would have know of it, since he designed the place.
>> No. 10012 edit
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>>10010

Lets attack the door then,
A lockpick can work on the door.
Something other what George did can Open the door. Someone hacked the server, if I would say it in your terms.
The door to teaparty is not build as the way we think, it is possible that during the night, someone removed the door and replaced it by the other side. (Im french ill explain) The lock on the door which you can open from the inside, once the door was replaced was facing the outside so he locked it from the outside and the morning they somewhat didn't see that.
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>>10010

Lets try something

The people presented here are not humans. They are data, the act of dying can mean that their data were erased or that they disappeared, its all a metaphor.
>> No. 10014 edit
There was no need for the culprit to alter the lock or change the door

This game takes place in a materialized /Seacats/ therefore the six ones that died are dead.
>> No. 10015 edit
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>>10014
George did it. George gave his knowledge to someone else during the night who lied and did it
>> No. 10016 edit
>>10015
I need a full theory for that, I cannot reply with just that.
>> No. 10019 edit
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There was no need for the culprit to alter the lock or change the door.

-It wasnt my fault minna-san Someone entered and messed up with the server

Its a wordplay
The killer knew how to unlock the door, he didnt alter or change it.

also the murder weapon wasnt made of wood~
The murder weapon was made of something else that can be burned, the red doesn't deny this!
>> No. 10020 edit
>>10019
Okay, i will give you that one...
The killer knew how to unlock the door, he didnt alter or change it.
The murder weapon was made of something else that can be burned

>> No. 10023 edit
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>>10020
U are trying to confuse me !! with my words!!!!!

The murder weapon was burned before/after the crime.

Not only did he knew about how to unlock the door, but that way was either the same way as George did, or a way that he did himself implant into the door. All of it shall be by human means.
>> No. 10024 edit
>>10023
I need to give you 2 theory for this, please wait again.
>> No. 10025 edit
Ok I wil wait.
>> No. 10028 edit
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The killer hid in the room during the time the others went to sleep, he murdered them, burned the weapon and went out by the door during the night. The closed room was made by the autolock on the door, or the killer had set something when he *hacked* on the door. A remote device that doesn't alter the door, and locked the door from the outside. The hint for the remote device is once more
-It wasnt my fault minna-san Someone entered and messed up with the
served-said George in a weak tone
>> No. 10029 edit
>>10028
is that acceptable or do you me to find the murder weapon first?
>> No. 10030 edit
>>10028
It was impossible to hide on /teaparty/ since there are no closets big enough for a person.
>> No. 10031 edit
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>>10030
But you did not deny the rest ! I just have to find a good way to formulate it. Let's see, it is not yet a real closed room.

I have to ask you
-No one said anything until the dinner, only the admins remained in the room while everyone else went to sleep.

Who are the admins? If i am not wrong George is one of them. Something is fishy!!!

I will just change the first part of my last blue.



The killer did not hide, he knocked on the door and they let him in.
>> No. 10032 edit
>>10031
There was no need to knock the door...
>> No. 10033 edit
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>>10032
George did it!!!! He is not dead he was already in the room, had a way in and out, and of course Burned the weapon after the crime !!!!
>> No. 10034 edit
>>10033
mfw you are reacting the same way my original opponent acted...

George is NOT THE Culprit
>> No. 10035 edit
>>10033
Or.... I am a very big noob and the killer never entered the room.


Lets see, something that can be burned, that was not used in a phycical attack, and that leave no trace. Something that they eated !!!
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>>10034
Yeah, it is not a closed room yet. hmm but by the way u phrased your reds, I think u are telling me that i am not searching at the good place.

Can you define poison?
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>>10036
Don't worry about it, Lion's games aren't considered very orthodox even under Seacats' standards.
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>>10037
Thanks, well Ill use his rules in my advantage.

Since u just want to deny the first part of my blue, i can shotgun that part, right? As long as I have a full theory.
Part 1

No secret passage exist, George would have know of it, since he designed the place.
George is the detective, he knows about passage which are not qualified as secrets passages. Maybe a secret passage on the door itself.


The door has no real lock, the fact that it was blocked is from something else blocking it. George just removed that thing.

The smell was not poison, but a gaz, once condensed inside the room, that blocked the door, once more the lock was fake.
>> No. 10039 edit
Lucifer actually plays that role...


The door has actually a lock

Such gas didnt and doesnt exist in the room
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>>10039
Mada mada
The room where they slept is room x. Room x and teaparty are in fact parts the same room.
The next Morning Lucifer lurked through the mansion, to see if the served was okay, much to his changrin the server was like yesterday...
They went outside of the room, then one by one tried to come back inside and realized it was locked.

Some of the names in the red are missinformation, deny the name theory!!

At the time they went to sleep, someone put something at the edge of the door, so it wouldn't close completely, there was no need to unlock it.

The door was not locked during the night.
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>>10040

This is the best theory yet, not even using my right to the nine rule. I hope this is good.

George went outside during the night, this is the time the killer went inside.


Yeah, I can go on forever !! Please, can you define poison?
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>>10041
hmmm, I dont do that to be mean ok? If u want me to stop you tell me. Im taking this game seriously, and *rp* like Battler did. It justs because u choose to block me like 1 thing when I have lot of complete theory I cant use. Im still thinking the killer never went inside, but I cant continue until u define what is a poison.
>> No. 10043 edit
>>10042
Sorry I thought I already replied to you...



The door was not locked during the night.

/Teaparty/is only one room and the dormitories is another room
Red only tells the truth, and there was no way they could leave the room once they entered

the last one can't happen since there was also a chain that prevented people from entering

George didnt have anything to do with that door...
>> No. 10044 edit
>>10042
You are doing a fine job and I am happy that my game is being taken seriously. that is why I promise you to don't disappoint you.
>> No. 10045 edit
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tsk. fine.

The killer never entered inside the room/or wasn't in the room during the crime. The closed room was made before the crime.

Everything I present here and in the posts to come is the murder weapon and something that would cause the smell of that phrase.

There was a weird smell in the room and it was certain that It wasn't poison

It was drugs. By knox 9 I present the theory of an overdose of sleeping pills. They were in the food.
>> No. 10046 edit
>>10045
I need to justify this.

Sleeping pills can work by the fact that they were described as sleeping.
>> No. 10047 edit
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>>10045
The smell was not poison, but a gaz, once condensed inside the room, that blocked the door, once more the lock was fake. Such gas didnt and doesnt exist in the room

-It wasnt my fault minna-san Someone entered and messed up with the
served-said George in a weak tone

It was gaz, just not such gaz as decribed earlier. When the killer messed up with it, he made something on the server that once touched would activate the poisonnous gaz. The admins went to repair the thing and activated it.
Let me explain, my definition of poison is something that once injected or eaten kills you. If i go further I can say that that thing was made to kill.

I can, then present gazs or anything that was not made to kill, but did kill. Except if you define it yourself. That gaz, of course was not amde to kill, but if u take too much of it, ull die. Not to much, it does not have to block a door or it wont work. I cant tell you any exact name, as i am not specialist. I can search though, but if the limit is this sunday.... forget it.
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>>10047

What if the smell is coming from themselves, they were choked, mini bomb theory in the food, burned from the inside. they are described as sleeping, ok but nothing tells me that they are happy and sleeping. They might be in pain when they died. Once again, if it is the choked theory, its by the killer's trap.
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The door was not locked during the night. Can you say that in red?

the last one can't happen since there was also a chain that prevented people from entering Time trick, the chain was set at x but it was unset before/after the crime.
>> No. 10053 edit
>>10047
>>10045
>>10049
>>10048


The server was destroyed so that people couldnt escape the mansion
Poisonous gas wasn't involved in this murder
a time trick isn't the main part of the murder.
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>>10052
im going to sleep now, good night! Lets finish this I hope tomorrow.
>> No. 10055 edit
>>10054
I am looking forward to your answers for tomorrow.
>> No. 10056 edit
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>>10053
You didn't told me about anything physical in red because of this red right? Lucifer checked and there was no way something physical was used to murder the 6 I thought she examinated only the outside of the corspes, that's why I thought something could have happened inside them.

Ok, i need to certify this closed room.

a time trick isn't the main part of the murder.

Can I trust a sorcerer. I think I will have to do it by logic.
The only 2 ways in left that I can think of is by the crack when the door is not locked, and the chain is set/unset. Or someone else than George let them enter. Ill analyse about what I forgot tomorrow.

The auto kill theory can still work and is most likely the good one, but I have nothing inside the room as an hint except the smell.

What's unalysed by now is the killed from the outside theory, but with the red removing all physical attacks it will be hard.

I was thinking when I read it about something like, they were only sleeping, and then when lucifer touched them she killed them, but yeah now that cant work at all.
>> No. 10058 edit
>>10056
someone else than George let them enter
>> No. 10060 edit
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Alright Round 2. Ok I have a way in now.

Something is still wrong with all this.
George is an admin, hes supposed to know something right?
Yet.
George is NOT THE Culprit . George didnt have anything to do with that door...

The door is the only way in and out, George is an admin, he was inside the room at the time they went to sleep, now he is outside. Then u told me this.
Red only tells the truth, and there was no way they could leave the room once they entered

So what's going on here? George was either not inside the room at the first place, but he is supposed to be an admin. So he cannot leave the room. George is the one that's supposed to have opened the door, but now he cant do that.

The text says
"and there were 7 persons in the room.
Rin, Bern Lambda and George arrived
Kinjo and Ozaki arrived an Hour later "

Or
The text is not truth, the phrase about 7 persons in the room is about /teaparty/. Lili is inside teaparty. She opened the door the morning.

U told me
There is a mistake in my part...I mentioned Genji 2 times, I meant to say Rosa and anon. To correct my mistake I will give you a green :
There is something fishy about this murder~

But where is lili, I dont see it. He entered the room Genji, there were 4 people inside.Rosa and Anon shortly arrived after Lucifer thats 7,

Rin, Bern Lambda and George arrived
Kinjo and Ozaki arrived an Hour later

I count 13 people, not 14.
Belphe Knox Hideiling Gogo Lion and Meta are dead.
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>>10060
Lili is an admin, she let the killer inside, after the crime she stays in the room and open the door the morning for george.
>> No. 10064 edit
>>10063

The text is the truth, the phrase about 7 persons in the room is about /Genji/.


Lili isnt an admin
>> No. 10066 edit
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>>10064
Almost no time left, come on. I must be close.

The killer was inside /teaparty/ during the night, someone let him inside. It doesn't has to be an admin. Lili is the one that created the closed room, as she is the only one which the location is unknown at the morning. She is inside /teaparty/ and that is why lucifer can identify her health status.
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>>10066
I was thinking yesterday, what if the smell represent not something, but the lack of something. Man I could use some help here.
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>>10067
Sorry, I remember the culprit of this game, but I don't even remember if it had real hints toward the howdunnit.
>> No. 10071 edit
>>10066


>The killer was inside /teaparty/ during the night, someone let him inside. It doesn't has to be an admin. Lili is the one that created the closed room, as she is the only one which the location is unknown at the morning. She is inside /teaparty/ and that is why lucifer can identify her health status.

of course that he was inside /Teaparty/
>> No. 10072 edit
>>10071
So now all I need is the murder weapon... arrghh let me think,
>> No. 10081 edit
>>10072
ALright, anon's game has started. I lost.

From now on , even if I find the murder weapon, I can't call this a vctory since the time limit is over. I must respect the rules.
>> No. 10095 edit
>>10081
it will count as a victory~ so you can think, considering the time seacats was down, you have 10 extra hours~
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>>10095
New theory !!!! Be prepared sorcerer!!!

The killer used a special type of candle that releases a scent that helped him do some sort of mind control on the 6 (hypnotism, is whatI am reffereing to or something of the same kind), thus the wird scent when he entered, upon being controled he may have given an order causing them to die by someother means, also the reason why they looked as if they were sleeping (maybe an after-effect of the "mind control") therefore even though they killed themselves, that act being carried out beyond their own will due to the "mind control" it is still considered a murder and not a suicide
>> No. 10159 edit
>>10142
such candle didnt existed in the room.
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>>10159

they died by allergy. The killer burned something inside the room/or just created the smell that caused them to die.
>> No. 10161 edit
>>10160
For example, pollen !!
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>>10159
They died by the lack of oxygen !!! The smell is co2. Reusing the same theory of Rudolf. *** Cant help it.
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>>10160
It took you a while~ but yeah, They died due to the lack of Oxygen.......

No one survived......
Congratulations, Mion-san.....

From this Twilight onwards, I will be the Game Master~
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>>10163
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>>10163
I will improve, once again I had to shotgun for the most part. Thank you for letting me play this part, I had an awesome experience.
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>>10165
I am sorry, but the torture will continue......
A twilight is not enough for this.....this shall be an infinite torture....until one of us gives up.....
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>>10166
I will never give up !!! It will be a torture for you because even if I must shotgun every words I will always find the trick.

Give up isn't in my vocabulary.
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Good job there.
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>>10166
The Rena I know would not believe in such things like witches and magic. This is all an illusion! I will prove it.
>> No. 10170 edit
>>10167
I shall post the next twilight in 8 or 9 hours~ for now I will sleep~
>> No. 10171 edit
>>10170
Ahhhhhh thanks, me too. Alright good night.
>> No. 10182 edit
Everyone in the mansion were placing blames on each other, The discussion of the first twilight unsued for at least 4 hours.

Tired of the discussion, Each one dedided to lock themselves in a room.

-Astaroth do you think the murderer is one of us?
-With the recent events Lili, I think that is the case...
-You know, with the recent fights I don't doubt someone would have a grudge against someone.
-But I doubt someone would go that far.
-wait a moment....what is that sme...
-WATCH OUT! There....is there is a goat behind you.
What are you talking about?
-Wait a minute....isn't the room a little too dar........



By this point Astaroth and Lili are death, No falsehood in this murder
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>>10182
hehehehe, as I can see, you killed lili huh. Smart move !! But a goat cannot exists, once more, its all an illusion. I will think smarter than before (ill try to), I will solve this with the text only!


By this point Astaroth and Lili are death, No falsehood in this murder I suppose the last part of the sentence only means that they are really dead. Not that the goat exists and killed them !

The goat represent an explosion. The watch out and the little time they had to react can all be explained by an explosion.
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>>10183

The goat represent an explosion. The watch out and the little time they had to react can all be explained by an explosion.



there are no traces of polvora in the room
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>>10184
I must clarify that the first line is supposed to be on >this
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>>10185
I have no choice but to eliminate this thing first, let's see if it is a trap or not.

-wait a moment....what is that sme...
-WATCH OUT! There....is there is a goat behind you.
What are you talking about?
-Wait a minute....isn't the room a little too dar........

Watch out, The goat represent the killer, he was hiding inside the room. The dark of the room is literal, shes dying.
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>>10186
its okay, the killer didn't need to touch the victims to kill them, and they didn't eat or drink anything weird
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>>10187
the killer didn't need to touch the victims to kill them, and they didn't eat or drink anything weird

That's exactly what I wanted, a clear red and I guess the eat or drink part is for me and my weirds ideas! U must be proud of this trick Rena-san, maybe a little too proud.

I will continue with my mind set as, the killer was not inside the room. (except this blue)

there are no traces of polvora in the room.
Nice try !! Let's destroy that part first. Even if there is 1% chance u had a wordplay in that, I cant risk it.
Time trick, the killer may have removed the polvora or the trap was made so that the polvora would not touch the floor.
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>>10188
Polvora wasn't used to murder Lili and Astaroth.
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>>10191
So no gunshot either huh?

Tired of the discussion, Each one decided to lock themselves in a room.

Does that mean each of them locked themselves in a different room? Or they all locked themselves in the same room?

Reading the story for the 30th time now, it looks like it is the second one, so I was going the wrong way with my "the killer is not inside" theory. Yet he did not touch them directly.

The goat still represent the killer. He did not touch them directly since he had a goat costume, which has gloves!!! Or the murder weapon is not considered as to touch someone. He stabbed them.
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>>10205
The goat still represent the killer. He did not touch them directly since he had a goat costume, which has gloves!!! Or the murder weapon is not considered as to touch someone. He stabbed them.

Stabbing counts as touching, HE CERTAINLY DIDN'T TOUCH The victim...and the killer certainly wasn't in the room
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>>10215
The goat himself wants to deny my theory, well that's okay because my main theory is gas!!!

Now what kind of gas,it has to cause an hallucination, then death.
Let's see what is your answer if I type just that.
It was a poisonnous gas that killed them.
There was a trap inside the room that released the gas.

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>>10216

There are not devices which count as traps
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>>10222
The killer had nothing to do, the room going dark.

An hallucination, a smell, the watch out.

They could have talked until the end, so the stab idea was stupid. No pain, the room going dark... it is murder, the killer does not need to touch the victims to kill them. It can be gas, but no traps. So how is that possible, hmmmmm this is hard indeed. I have a few ideas, I need to verify something first.

Can you repeat something for me? In this case, there are no accidents that helped the killer to kill.

If you can't repeat it, then I have a lot of ways to set the gas without a trap.

I have seen goat = killer, and goat = bomb threatening/bomb theory. Nothing else comes in mind, Room going dark, I have seen that when they lost consciousness due to gas or physical hit on the head. Well the killer didn't touch them/ wasn't in the room, so right now all I have is gas and a surprise attack!

Lets base on that, the dark represents one of them when she lost consciousness, then right after that she was state as dead. She couldn't even finish her sentence, something killed her very fast.

I really need that red now, lets force it out.


An earthquake or something made the upper floor collapse on the room. They died in the process. Of course it is murder, the killer provoked it.
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>>10244
people would have noticed the earthquake and would have seen that they died like that~
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>>10256
-You know, with the recent fights I don't doubt someone would have a grudge against someone.
-But I doubt someone would go that far.
-wait a moment....what is that sme...
-WATCH OUT! There....is there is a goat behind you.
What are you talking about?
-Wait a minute....isn't the room a little too dar........


There is a smell, Then something happens, something that was not there before because of the "WATCH OUT", its coming after them. Then, the goat, the key element is the goat. After that is the dark, but the dark is not dark, "it's a little too dark", it's in the process of being dark.

1: A smell
2: "Watch out"
3: The goat
4: "A little too dark"

First the smell
No traps inside, no killer inside.
No traps outside, the killer is outside.

The smell is from the inside, but there is no trap to provoke it. The killer is outside, how can he provoke the smell himself. He did something from the outside that created a smell inside. There are no openings, except if the smell came in from the passage that was made when the door was open at time x.

If it's not, then someone from the inside provoked the smell.
What is the smell exactly? For now it can be almost anything except something that leaves polvora.

The "watch out"

So there is a smell, then something changes inside the room.

There are 2 theorys for that one.
The smell provoked the "watch out".
The smell didn't provoke the "watch out".

If the smell is the cause, we can assume that the smell altered something inside of them that made them at least nervous. Or its the smell itself that caused it, by seeing it or by the source of it.

If the smell is not what made her say "watch out", then it has to be the goat. That leads to what is the goat?

Again if the goat is an effect of the smell and the watch out, it can be an hallucination/illusion.

If it's not, then its the killer.
I can resolve without the dark part.

The killer unlocked/opened the door at time x before the crime, he had poison gas inside of something that doesn't count as a trap and released it inside of the room. The goat represents a mask gas that he had so he wouldn't die from his own gas.
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except if the smell came in from the passage that was made when the door was open at time x.
Such passage don't exist

The killer unlocked/opened the door at time x before the crime, he had poison gas inside of something that doesn't count as a trap and released it inside of the room. The goat represents a mask gas that he had so he wouldn't die from his own gas.

Poison gas was involved.....

BUT I CAN STILL CLAIM THAT THE DEMON RELEASED POISON GAS From its mouth....
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>>10289
That is check, now I got you cornered. All I need is that small element, a mouse hole and your done with !

except if the smell came in from the passage that was made when the door was open at time x.
Such passage don't exist

mwhahahaha I will my time, don't worry i will find it. First let's see if there is a wordplay.

If the passage is there from the start, it can works. The door was not open, there is a passage already that can get the poison inside of the room. Maybe under the door, or on top of it, or by the crack of the lock pick. Your goat can throw poison from his mouth if you want him to, AS LONG as he is an illusion!!!
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>>10290
Secret passages aren't allowed by Knox
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>>10291
Well, I don't think that was very relevant right?
Secret passage is a vague concept in umineko, but I think what you meant is that there is no way to put the gas inside from my methods so I wont argue.

Hmmmm, by saying that poison gas was involved kind of make it hard for me. So it was your trap after all ! You got me where you wanted, a perfect murder.
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So the gas was inside the whole time. Poison gas, no traps.


-With the recent events Lili, I think that is the case...



Astaroth had the poison to protect himself because he thought the killer might be lili, but an accident happened and the poison was release and killed them.

One of them was an accomplice, the poison was activated by the accomplice inside of the room, then someone opens the door, but the killer decides that he doesn't need an accomplice and kill her instead.
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>>10293
Or

The killer had an accomplice to set up the gas, but an accident happened and they both died. Simple like that. The goat is still an ilusion.
>> No. 10302 edit
Lili and Astaroth are Innocent
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>>10302
No accomplices, no killer inside, no traps, no passage that leads to the room at the time of murder.


The gas was involved, but did not kill them. They were locked in tea party and died by another lack of oxygen...
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>>10328
the poison gas killed them
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