The jelly substance is not the murder weapon. Therefore, they were injected with murder weapon x that killed them.

It ISN'T air.

>>10821
The jelly is in reality honey which served as bait for bees that came through the air vents and stung them to death, thus explaining the holes in their bodies, they were injected the bees venom or sting and they fell on the honey which covered their body as they rolled on the ground in pain.

>>10827
THERE ARE NO AIR VENTS IN THE ROOM.

>>10828
There are vents in the room! It is clearly stated in red already!! just not AIR vents.

You are dead Lion, the bees killed them !

>>10829
the vents were too small for bees so it was impossible for them to enter

>>10830
Alright, what will you do if i say it like that.
The bees were already inside the room in a X location and were released by the trap or entered the room via entry X and after stinging them to death exited via the vents as the previous red only says that they may not enter through the vents

congratulations......you solved this one.

Lucifer, Piece,Friend-kun,George,Bernkastel were the only ones in the remaining, so they decided to lock themselves in a different room.....

after a while..everyone decided to come out, and realized that Lucifer was the only one that didn't come......so they opened the room and realized that the room was locked with a chain and that Lucifer wasn't there....suddenly, a drop of blood fell into Bernkastel and when they looked upward they realized that their friend was dead......


HOW DID LUCIFER GET OUT OF THE ROOM?

HOW WAS HE KILLED?

>>11196
I analyse the body,and the chain on the door.
Then, I cut the chain and analyse the room just like last time.

>>11288
Lucifer was found hanged in the hallway from a Chandelier.
and the room was locked with a chain.
the bed was warm, which means not much time happened since he died.

The killer is one of the survivors. He went out of his room and entered Lucifer's room before killing her. Then, he moved the body outside, locked the chain from the inside and passed by the window to create the illusion.

>>11294
there isn't a window in that room

>>11295
The killer replaced the chain with a stick or something similar before closing the door.

The chain can be placed from the outside.

>>11297
its impossible to replace the chain also iy can only be set from inside

>>11298
The killer can leave the room by the door while the chain is on. The chain does not work properly.

>>11299
Its impossible to leave the room while the chain is set, the chai works perfectly.

>>11300
The killer has an accomplice that set the chain from the inside.

The killer has made a trap that could set the chain from the inside.

>>11301
There isn't an accomplice in this murder
Such device doesnt exist.

>>11302
Perfect closed room you say? Im just starting!!

The narration about only those 5 still alive is a lie, killer x is still on the lose.

After the crime he decided to hide in the room or he suicided inside, he also sets the chain from the inside.

the killer couldn't have been found inside,people would have noticed him.

>>11342
Something is wrong. Time trick.
Lucifer never had the chance to enter his room since the chain was on from the start.
the bed was warm, which means not much time happened since he died.
Not much time happened since he died, but he never entered the room, the fact that the bed is warm is from something else. He was killed outside of the room.

>>11343
LUCIFER INDEED ENTERED TO HIS ROOM

>>11344
>>11344
Well ok.
Analyse the corpse. Did he lose any PART? Is he in ashes? Is he human? Is the Chandelier totally outside of the room?

>>11345
Lucifer was hanged in the chandelier, the only wounds he had were in his neck, he died cause he was hanged from the chandelier.

>>11344
Wait a second...
"His room" is not the the room with the chain.

"His room" is DEED the the room with the chain.

>>11300
Its impossible for someone to leave the room while the chain is sets, but it's possible for a corpse.
There is another passage to get out of the room than the door.

>>11382
This apply to corpses too, there are no secret passages

>>11383
I analyse the room, tell me more about what is inside except of the bed.

>>11384
nothing relevant except that bed is still warm.

I have a new theory. First allow this

The reason the bed is warm is not because of Lucifer.

>>11391
Its difficult to determine that due to the short time it passed.

I had a lot of time to think about it. Show me how you protect this closed room Rena.
When everyone meets in the hallway, someone is still inside of Lucifer's room.That person doesn't have to be alive. That person locked the chain from the inside.

From there, I can think of a few choices.
First theory: Lucifer is the killer, he suicided inside of the room.

Now for how he get out of the room, my blue was really hard to understand (mostly because of my english) so I will tell you like this instead.
The chandelier is inside of the room from the start, when the group opened the door they (activated a trap) that moved the corpse outside of the room. The trick is here, the corpse has to be inside and outside of the room at the same time. One example could be that the chandelier is attached to the inner part of the door.

the chandelier was outside of the room
No traps are involved in this murder

Theory two:
The narration lied, Bernkastel is still in Lucifer's room. They both shared the same room, and at some point Lucifer suicided in the hallway and Bern locked the door. She didn't help him and she is not an accomplice.

>>11461

The narration is like the red, it never lies, but it can't be as clear as the red

The chain is a sophisticated chain and has an autolock.

There are 2 chains on the door. "The chain" refers to the first chain, and the second chain is the one that was on when they tried to open the door.

>>11464

its a simple chain.

Third theory: One of the dead is not dead and entered Lucifer's room. He is not the killer nor an accomplice, but he made Lucifer suicide and locked the door from the inside.

>>11466
only the killer is capable of killing Lucifer didn't commit suicide

Oh, is that a deviation? I just have to change that part then.
Someone was not dead. That person went into Lucifer's room to tell him about what happened. Lucifer wanted to get out of the room to alert the others, but the killer was waiting outside and killed him. The other person locked the door because he was afraid and hid in the room.

>>11468
Piece,Friend-kun,George,Bernkastel are the only ones alive and the rest are dead and none of 4 persons mentioned alive could have possibly killed Lucifer

Another deviation
The killer suicided after the murder.

>>11470
the killer is still alive

>>11469
>>11471

The killer is not considered within "the rest". The killer is someone else on the island. Killer x killed Lucifer, my theory still stands!

>>11472
GAAAAAAAAAAAAH THAT Blue
only the persons mentioned in this tale are in the island

>>11473
Good let's play umineko. What is a person? Define it please.

>>11474
a human

>>11475
and what is a human?

>>11476
someone that can be physically on the island that have the ability to take a name, only this entity can possibly be in the island