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Hello again, Seacats! I have returned with a present: A murder that you absolutely cannot solve! The game is open to anyone who wishes to engage in a battle of wits.

A few rules:

Like normal, red speaks the absolute truth.

Blue is used to make theories that will destroy my magic.

Green is used to ask characters questions, although they can easily lie... Except, of course, for the detective. The detective in this game is Genji.

Now, on with the tale!

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It is an understatement to say that our master’s death was a catalyst for things to come. Everything that happened, everything that stood to happen, are a consequence on the day he passed away. I write this because I know the truth; the pure, untainted truth. Natsuhi-sama and Krauss-sama only know one version of this truth, because they are human and can see no more than that. But, as furniture to my late master, I gain to tell the truth about what happened; I do not expect to be believed, but still I write, because I know the truth and because I can do nothing else.

Erase your memories, erase your human emotion. The culprit is none other than the Golden Witch, Beatrice. Like the grim reaper, she knew that it was the master’s time, and took his soul to play with for all of eternity.

The day Beatrice faded in from her portrait was ordinary, mostly. Lady Jessica could not make it to school due to a chance thunderstorm, and master’s physician, Dr. Nanjo, dropped by for his occasional visit to ensure that the master is always in the top state of health. Also shipped today were new clothes bearing the one winged eagle, shipped by a personal tailor master hired; Dr. Nanjo and I carried them to the servant’s room after he offered to help. I thanked him, and went about my duties before returning to organize.

All trivial events brought about by ordinary matters, interrupted by a single phone call.

I was serving food with the rest of the servants at the time. Kanon, Shannon, and Gohda were helping me serve to the Krauss-sama, Lady Jessica, Natsuhi-sama, and Dr. Nanjo, who was allowed a seat at the family table on Kinzo’s behalf. And, just as we were preparing to return to the servant’s quarters, the phone rang.

Krauss-sama gave the phone an annoyed glance. He swallowed his food loudly. “Genji-san, would you please answer that?”

“Certainly.” I walked towards the phone. It was most likely the master requesting something in our absence. I silently looked down on myself. Why didn’t we leave a servant with him in case there was something he desired? I let out a small sigh and picked up the telephone. “This is Genji.”

The person on the other end of the phone did not respond.

“This is Genji.” I repeated, slightly more loudly. “Hello?”

On second inspection, there was a voice. It was quiet, though. I whispered for those around me to be quiet. Everyone stared at me.

I could hear a faint outline of the voice: “…Hos...pital…” I heard the thud of a receiver on the other end of the line. I knew who it was. If everyone was gathered in the dining hall, which left only one person: the master!

I set the phone on the hook. Quickly, I explained what he heard to everyone in the dining hall. Natsuhi-sama stood up.

“Why are we still here!” she said. “We should go immediately!”

Everyone agreed. As a group, we rushed up the steps to the third floor of the mansion halls. Finally, we reached Kinzo’s study. I fished my pocket for a key and found one. This was one of the only two keys that could open the door. Where was the other? It should be…

Before I could finish my thought, Natsuhi began thrashing on the door handle, trying to force it open, but the door was stubbornly locked. Kraus-sama managed to calm her down long enough for me to unlock the door… and immediately reveal the fresh corpse of the master.

“Father!” Natsuhi-sama shrieked. Krauss-sama backed away from the door and left his mouth wide open. Kanon-san, Shannon-san, Dr. Nanjo, and I could only stand there, shocked. I looked away, not wanting to look at my master’s lifeless body. Then, I saw the window: It was locked and shut. I looked for one other thing as well, but Natsuhi-sama found it before me.

“Look! A letter!” She ran up to grab it, and tore it open like a paper shredder. She started to read: “Members of the Ushiromiya family…What? Who is this?...I have taken the soul of Kinzo the fool, and I plan to make him my plaything forever. I apologize for any inconvenience. Sincerely, Beatrice the Golden.”

“Beat…rice?” Shannon whispered, and, beside the spot where Natsuhi-sama picked up the letter, I noticed the second key, creating a witch’s closed room.

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Now then, who will make the first move?

I know I failed to solve this back then, so I don't know if I should try again.

Judging by the presence of green, I take it that my games predate this? I don't seem to remember it though....

>>9786
Not to sure because green was used before your /gameboards/ but for other purposes. Of course green wasn't very well know at that time by new members so it possible your games predate this.

Before we kick off, is there any way to control Genji or investigate the scene, or are we limited to simply asking the characters questions about the crime?

>>9790
Genji investigate the crime scene fully so he will remember everything about it.

So yes. I will treat it the same as investigating.

>>9786
>>9788
Green truth was originally used by George as to state the feelings of a character, and it was supposed to hold the same value as a red or gold truth.
About this game, well, I think this was before Rudolf created his own green text.

>>9792
Makes sense, I had heard someone mention that before. It seems that mine sort of replaced it? Or maybe it just stuck better? I dunno....

Either way, I may like to participate in this, though I need to finish mine as well....

Once we get to the end of Showmanship, there will be an open theories thread most likely. Anyone can challenge it then if they wish.

>>9794
I refuse to lose again, so you guys need to solve it ok.

>>9790
>>9791
Did that answer your question?

Just to be sure, does this game follow the knox rules? Is it possible to solve it with just the intro or do we need to investigate the crime scene first?

>>9797
This game follows Umineko's version of Knox.

Of course unless you are extremely shrewd, investigation and or interrogation will be required in order to solve this tale.

>>9795
It seem I will have to take back what I said here. I really tried, but I can't pass this up.

First off, I ask Doctor Nanjo if the body of Kinzo really is dead. He should be able to confirm it, if anyone.

One more thing, are we supposed to be specific while investigating? In other words if I want to know for exemple about the lock or a weird painting on the door can I say something like "I recall the status of the door before I entered the room." or do I have to be specific.

>>9799
"I can confirm he is indeed dead. Although I'm a general practitioner... an autopsy is outside my area of expertise..." says Nanjo

>>9800
Specificity would be needed. Genji searched the inside the room rather thoroughly so I can make an exception for major objects like the corpse.

>>9801
I see, speaking of the corpse I will ask Genji what the corpse looked like when he found it.

>>9802

hmmm, lets add

I ask Nanjo if he saw anything suspicious on the corpse, anything related to the murder.[/ green]

>>9802
"When I found the late master’s body he was lying face down near the main door of the study. His cape was open in the back and covered the rest of the body so I flipped the corpse in order to see his face. His eyes and mouth were open and stared at me with the dim grey of death. No longer able to look at the corpse I turned my direction elsewhere.

I noticed near the corpse was the headset of the phone which he must have used to call me before his death. The cord attached to the headset lead up to the cradle which was attached to the wall by the door." Genji states.

>>9803

"I'm sorry. I could not find anything of the sort." Nanjo informs you.

"His eyes and mouth were open " I think this is important.

I ask Genji the same question about anything suspicious on the corpse, like a bruise, maybe around his neck or an open wound .

>>9805
"Now that you mention it there may have been a bit red around the neck. It could have been have been a scratch or a bruise like you said. Although I am not to sure..."

Alright, easiest trick in the bag:
Natsuhi or someone else left the key inside of the room when the closed room was already broken.
And if that's too easy then: I'll ask Genji if he checked the base of the phone or if he noticed any strange aroma in the room

>>9807
Upon unlocking the room right before the discovery of Kinzo's corpse the second key was already inside the room.

"I did not smell anything out of the ordinary in the room.
I did check the base of the phone however did not find anything out of the ordinary. Could you be more specific?"

Am i that lucky?, I have a theory about the neck, but the way you phrased it make me think it is a bait.

Let me try something. There is no murder, Kinzo died from lung problems which is why he called "hospital" and not help. The fact that dr.nanjo is present is also a hint to let us know that kinzo has to take care of his health. The closed room was made by himself.

Sure thing. I'm saying that Kinzo was killed with a needle or some other kind of piercing object. There was a needle with poison attached on the telephone's receiver. It paralyzed Kinzo body and stopped him from talking clearly, then it simply killed him.

>>9809
Interesting theory... However if that is the case then how would you explain the letter left by Beatrice?

>>9810
Nice try.
There was no needle ever attached to the phone. Kinzo was not stabbed in any way which caused his death.

>>9811
U never said anything about the letter. Simple, someone put the letter inside while Genji was looking at the corpse.

>>9812
and for the content itself, they knew about kinzo's problems and prepared a letter before the crime.

>>9812
>>9813
Well the letter is part of the closed room too after all.
>crime
I thought you said this wasn't a murder? I'll go a head and clear this up before theories get out of hand.

Just like the second key, the letter was already in the room before the door was unlocked by Genji.

Kinzo was murdered. This is a homicide.

Kinzo died because of poisoning (air, water, food) or asphyxiation (could not breath, air too thin).

>>9814 >crime
Yeah, sorry about that. I didn't know how to edit.

>>9815
Kinzo died from hypoxia. In other words lack of oxygen.

>>9816
No problem. There actually isn't any edit button. Although the site owner was just lazy it works well for /gameboard/.

>>9815
Woah nice! Let's find the howdunnit.
>>9817

There is something that tickle me a little bit.
You say " If everyone was gathered in the dining hall, which left only one person", then you talk about " everyone in the dining hall ".
Can you confirm that during the phonecall, everyone except kinzo was in the dining hall?

Kinzo's new clothes killed him. It was a Raggamoffyn.

Also, Genji's key was stolen at some point or the letter and the key were inserted from the outside of the room.

>>9821
What's a Raggamoffyn.

>>9823
Silly Dungeons & Dragons creature that takes the form of clothes or stuff and dominates any other creature who attempts to wear it.

>>9820
This game follows Knox so the culprit must have been mentioned during the opening text. Everyone besides Kinzo who had been mentioned during the story was seen by the detective in the dinning room at the time of the phone call.

>>9821
Genji's key never left his possession during the course of this game.

Knox's 2nd for the other part. Such things as Raggamoffyn don't exist.

>>9825
There's no way for the killer to enter the room during and after the phone call until genji unlocks the door. There is still one part of my blue that stands.

Kinzo made the closed room by himself.

In my mind it's like this, the killer was waiting in the room, he does something to kinzo, put the letter and get out. Then, Kinzo create the closed room and die while on the phone.

>>9826
Kinzo did not create the closed room himself.

>>9821
The letter and the key were inserted from the outside of the room.
The culprit killed Kinzo from the outside of his study.

>>9839
It is impossible to slip the letter or key into the room once the entrance/exits are closed and locked.

Kinzo was attacked by the culprit while they were both inside the room.

How would either of those even be possible anon-tan?

>>9840
There are other kind of non-conventional entrances, of course. In this case, how about air vents or the rest of the windows in Kinzo's study. Genji only mentioned one.
And please, define what it means to get attacked. If someone wanted me to die because of diabetes, would giving me a candy count as an attack?

>>9841
Windows are included in exits/entrances. Same with any air vents for the purpose of this gameboard.

For this gameboard, 'to attack' someone would be to physically damage them in person.

Let's cut the chase then. You said Kinzo didn't cause the closed room, alright. But the way you have been wording this makes obvious you can't deny this: The culprit wasn't in Kinzo's study the moment Kinzo died.

>>9844
Do you have a theory then?

>>9845
A delayed method of murder.
A drug was used to cause Kinzo stop being able to use his lungs. Maybe an effect of the mix with another drug Kinzo was already taking.

Let's find it !!!
There is an autolock on the door.
The windows can be locked from the outside of the room.

"It is impossible to slip the letter or key into the room once the entrance/exits are closed and locked. "
once the entance/exists are closed and locked, The entrance/exists where not fully closed and locked when the letter and the key were inserted from the outside.

>>9847
So yeah, there is still the mark around his neck, if its not drug lets say an injection was made on Kinzo which later caused him to stop breathing.

I thought that the letter was in the new clothes, but that wouldnt make any sense now anyway since we know that the killer was, at some point, inside the room.

>>9847
Is that all?
Kinzo was not killed by a drug or poison.

>>9849
>>9847
Naturally, There is an autolock on the door. However the last time it activated Kinzo was inside the room and alive.
The windows cannot be locked from the outside of the room.

Neither the key or letter was inserted into the room from the outside.

Kinzo was never injected with anything during the course of this game.

>>9853
hmmm alright. Can you repeat something for me?

In this game everyone has only 1 name, and did not change it during the course of the game. Also, a name can't refer to something else than the person itself.

U get what im trying to say, if u can't say it i will make a theory with Kinzo as the killer.

>>9854
No problem.

During the entire course of this game each human can only have one name. When they die they do not lose that name and nobody can share a name or pass it on. A name can only refer to the body it belongs to.

There are no name tricks or DID solutions to this mystery.

>>9855

If Kinzo didn't create the closed room. Either there is no closed room, or someone else did it.
Now we know that the last time the autolock was used Kinzo was inside the room. He also did not leave during that last time, so I presume that the killer just left by the door and with the autolock created the closed room.[/br] All of this is happening before the phone call, then Kinzo dies.

>>9856
Interesting theory... However
The last time the autolock activated Kinzo had no lethal wounds nor was he dying from any attack.

>>9857

You are telling me that Kinzo was attacked, but not the last time the autolock was activated. Physically attacked, then the last time it was activated was from someone going inside so the killer did not get out by the door, but the windows or the vent !!!

I will ask Genji if the air vent was activated when he entered the room, I ask him where exactly is the corpse in the room, where was the letter and if he sees something out of place near the corpse. I ask everyone if they saw a mark on Kinzo's neck before he went into his study.

The first thing that Genji looked inside the room was Kinzo's dead body. While he was examining Kinzo's body, the culprit could lock the window.

>>9858
"Yes the air ventilation was working at the time and still is. The grate on the vent is bolted shut and would be impossible to fit anything like a key or letter through.

As I have said before the master's corpse was found inside of the room directly in front of the main door to the study. The letter was found beside the master's desk on a small table.

I don't see anything of that description near the corpse." says Genji

Everyone else agrees that they had never seen the marks on Kinzo until the discovery of the corpse.

>>9861
Before Genji even unlocked the door the window was already locked.

>>9863
Can you repeat in red that nobody beside Kinzo was inside the room before Genji entered the room?

>>9864
Sure.
The moment before Genji unlocked the door and entered no living human being was in the room.

Beatrice is a witch so there is no problem with that.

>>9863
One last try before I change my theory.

It is possible that the door is broken in a way that would let a person attacks someone near the door while being locked. The killer was standing/or had part of his corpse in the broken surface, therefore technically he was inside the room.

>>9865
Kinzo's study is descripted as a "small villa inside the mansion, with multiple rooms".
The culprit may not have been at the murder room at the time that Genji opened the door, but he could be at another room in the study.

>>9866
Neither the door or window are broken in any way.
There is no opening that would allow a human to be partially inside of the study while the entrances/exits were closed.

>>9867
Nice try.
The moment before Genji unlocked the door and entered no living human being was in the study.

>>9869
If someone is paralyzed, does it count for a living human?

>>9870
Sure why not.

>>9869
Was Kinzo killed inside the study?

>>9872
Unless you have some theory that escapes the red about the auto lock then yes. Kinzo was inside the study when he was killed.

>>9871
I had a theory about Kinzo not dead when Genji unlocked the door, well never mind that.

The windows cannot be locked from the outside, but can be closed ! There is a balcony or something after the window that counts as "inside the room".

>>9873
Kinzo was inside his study the last time the autolock was activated, the culprit lured Kinzo outside, didn't let he close the door (so the autolock wouldn't activate), killed Kinzo, dragged his body to the room, and left the door open, but in a way that couldn't be noticed by human eyes. Natsuri closed the door before Genji noticed the open door with his detective authority.

>>9874
I don't quite follow that blue.
The window was found locked. Not to mention I already denied anyone hiding in the study.
Regardless if such a balcony was there it wouldn't count as inside the room. It would be outside the room

>>9873
The last time the autolock activated Kinzo had no lethal wounds nor was he dying from any attack. Kinzo was attacked by the culprit while they were both inside the room.

If we could find what is that attack, maybe the attack wasn't lethal, and my blue can still pass.

>>9876

It goes like this, the killer can still close the locked window from the outside of the room. You never denied that the windows can't be opened and locked at the same time. For the balcony, I wanted to eliminate any way for the killer to be outside and inside at the same time.

>>9875
From when the autolock was last activated to when discovery of the corpse Kinzo was the only person in the room

>>9878
The window has to be closed in order to be locked.

>>9875
The last time the autolock activated Kinzo had no lethal wounds nor was he dying from any attack.

When Natsuhi closed the door, wasn't Kinzo dead?

The killer is dead, her name is Beatrice. The day Beatrice faded in from her portrait is a metaphor to introduce the killer. She was seen in the dining hall by her twin sister, Jessica. (This is a joke) Yeah, I will need some time to think about it since i am out of ideas for now.

>>9880
Natsuhi never closed a door?

Anyway take your time and review everthing. That's the best way to get anywhere good.

Even if this is my first time doing something like this, I won't lose to any of your trick witch !

>>9882
Was the detective detective the whole game?

Kinzo did not create the closed room himself.
What if Kinzo is an accomplice and created it not by himself, but with the help of others?


I ask Genji to describe the lock of the door, I want to know what kind of lock it is and the way it works. Also, I want to know if a lockpick would work on it.

I might have to ask you to describe your definition of a living human.

Please, if anything I am a sorcerer.

>>9884
Naturally Genji has been and always will be the only detective in this game.

There is no accomplice, willing or not. There is only a single culprit.

"The lock is a simple deadbolt with an autolock feature. You can unlock it from the outside using one of the two keys to the study. As it is an autolock once you shut the door it will lock the bolt shut. You have to unlock the bolt in order to leave the room."

The door can only be locked and unlocked from the outside using one of the keys.

A living human = a human who is not dead Don't think to hard about wordplay with living humans. It just gets convoluted rather easily and won't help you to solve this.

The attack that was mentioned earlier (where the culprit was in the room) is not the direct cause of death. While Kinzo was paralyzed, unconscious, or otherwise unable to make action, the culprit set up what would lead to Kinzo's death.

Not exactly sure what I would say were these set-ups, but I'd venture something crazy like tying the phone line around his neck.

Otherwise, the voice Genji heard on the phone was either a recording or was not Kinzo's voice.

>>9886
Interesting... I might as well break the feet by which it holds ground.

The voice Genji heard was unmistakably Kinzo.

Devil's proof. Kinzo's new clothes somehow caused him to asfixiate.

>>9888
>2013
>devil's proof

If you can make a theory involving them then I will respond.

Well, I was expecting that answer, anyway.
The clothes were so tight they stopped his lunges from breathing.
The clothes had some kind of chemical that paralyzed Kinzo.

Then again, could you define poison, considering you ruled it out already?

>>9890
Poison = A substance that, when introduced into or absorbed by a living organism, causes death.

Kinzo's lungs worked fine, they just didn't get any oxygen at some point.

There were no chemicals that can cause paralysis on Kinzo's body during the course of this game.

>>9892
An allergy can slip past that definition, therefore Kinzo died from an allergic reaction to something.

Otherwise maybe the composition of the air killed him. Nobody would considered CO2 a poison, but if dry ice were to sublimate in the room, the ratio of oxygen in the air would not be sufficient to sustain human life.

>>9894
The amount of oxygen in the room was optimal for human life.

Kinzo did not die from an allergy. Nor did he have an allergic reaction.

The culprit somehow thinned out the air on Kinzo's room.
The culprit mixed something into the air, causing the oxygen levels on the air to decrease.
And the letter and the key were hidden in Kinzo's clothes.

I worked hard for this one.
>>9893
New theory. The killer knocked out Kinzo, he then put something inside is mouth with some tape or anything that could make it stick there. When Kinzo wake up he realise that something is there and by reflex swallow it, he then dies from the stucked object in his throat. The scratch on his neck is made by himself trying to get the object out.

>>9897
The first two are already denied by my last post. As for the other...

The letter was place into the room by the culprit's own hand.

>>9901
Kinzo did not die from an object being stuck in his throat.

However you are correct that some of the neck marks Kinzo made himself by scratching at his neck.

>>9903
is food concidered an object too? I will replace the word object with anything solid.

>>9904
Yes. You can consider "object" as anything that could have gone in his throat that would obstruct the airway.

>>9905
Just to be sure there is no wordplay
Something was stuck in his throat and although it did not block the airway, it clogged the airway badly enough to cause death

Also,
Based on Knox 8th, the fact that Kinzo inflicted the scrath mark on hiw own indicates that he was frantically trying to remove something threatful to his life that was located in his throat, no matter what effect the said object had on him, and therefore it is safe to assume that the said object is the cause of his death, that this object was the murder weapon and that at the exact moment where kinzo died

>>9908
It cant be in his throat, it cant be in his mouth or nose, or genji would have known. hmmm let's think

>>9906
For the purpose of this game there was never anything in Kinzo's throat that could cause death in any way.

Kinzo was indeed scratching at his throat to stop the murder weapon from killing him.

>>9911
I can't think of anything, but something in the air.

Genji said "I did not smell anything out of the ordinary in the room." and all the reds about drugs and poisons. let me try something,It's not a coincidence that the vent is activated, there was something in the air of the room at the time of the murder.

>>9912
I won't use red as that has already been denied.

>>9893
>>9896
>>9853
>>9817

>>9912
To make sure u understand my blue, I think when u talked about the poisons and the chemical, it may be that u told us about the time that they discovered the corpse. I want to know at the time of the death.

>>9914
There were no problems with the air in the study during the course of the entire game.