>>6026
>Rosa, Jessica, George, Maria, Shannon and Kanon are certainly the ones used in the first twilight.

Your lack of actually stating that all six of them are dead is leaving a massive gap....

As I said, Repeat in red! The six humans; Rosa, Jessica, George, Maria, Shannon and Kanon are all dead and are the six corpses presented here!

>>6027
Fine No poison was used for the first twilight's murders. Traps weren't used
And regarding timezones:
All the hours stated in the game will be in Rokkenjima time
And
All the suspects except Rosa, Jessica, George, Maria, Shannon and Kanon were inside the mansion
By suspects I mean everyone that can be culprit
>>6029
Fine I said Rosa, Jessica, George, Maria, Shannon and Kanon are certainly the ones used in the first twilight.I want to say that The six humans; Rosa, Jessica, George, Maria, Shannon and Kanon are all dead and are the six corpses presented here
In other words: The six humans; Rosa, Jessica, George, Maria, Shannon and Kanon are all dead and are the six corpses presented here
>>6028
>At least one of those corpses is a fake corpse!
Denied by the previous red
>The culprit used all alcohol drink in Lobby to kill them. The culprit put it on their drinks and all of them died by overdose.
No alcohol was related to this murder.
>At least one of them died by an accident.
>At least one of them commited suicide.
They all died murdered, no suicides nor accidents
>One of those 6 people were one of the Culprits. S/He killed the other 4 people and other one killed him - making that person a Culprit - and them died by accident. Or S/He killed the other 5 people and commited suicide. Or S/He killed the other 5 people and died by accident.
The same as above
>They were all hit to death and died, but the fact that doesn't have any blood on the floor is because they were all hit in places that didn't provoke external bleeding. Also, the Culprit cover their wounds with their clothes.
>They were all stabbed to death and died, but the fact that doesn't have any blood on the floor is because the Culprit cleared their wounds and cover it with their clothes.
In those cases I would like to ask you.
Riddle 2: How did the last one die?

I want to propose you something now that we are even. Since some people commented on the issue, would you prefer to stop the metaworld, proceed with the investigation and then proceed with the metaworld.
You see, I created this game because I wanted people to have fun with it. If the people playing aren't enjoying it this game loses purpose. So feel free to call out anything that you aren't comfortable about.

Well then, are you okay with posponing the metaworld?

Also I apologize for my reckless use with the red. I just wanted it to sound fancy but it lost precision because of that.
Sorry for the inconveniences.

>>6030
Ah, I see, so it wasn't a word play...

Hmm... either way (regarding the metaworld or human investigation first) works fine. It's just that the type of gameboard is determined by whether it's a blue battle or an investigation and theory making battle. Since we've already begun the blue and red, might as well continue...

Repeat in red! The victims are all merely victims. (that is to say, that none of them are accomplices, willing or not, as well as that they are not culprits)

I'm sure you'll get used to it, but most of us here are so precise in wording because we want to avoid being tricked by word plays.

>>6031
Okay, I see
The victims are all merely victims, that is to say, that none of them are accomplices, willing or not, as well as that they are not culprits

>>6032
Hmm... Some weapon was utilized, such as a gun or knife. A weapon, here, can be defined as any external item that could be utilized to inflict harm or death upon a person (which includes any externalities that may be included with a person's condition)

Externalities meaning like if a person had a pacemaker, a magnet could cause the pacemaker to fail and, thus, be considered a weapon.

>>6033
Even if you determine that the culprit used a weapon it still doesn't solve how did the culprit kill them with that weapon.
And before further discussion let me remind you of Knox 4th: It is forbidden for unknown drugs or hard to understand scientific devices to be used.
So "advanced weapons" are prohibited.

>>6034
I'll just assume that means there is in fact a weapon, since it is a necessary founding of my following blue.

The method of murder could be a ranged weapon that can strike despite the culprit not being in the room (like shooting someone through a window). This includes weapons not originally intended to be a projectile, but could be utilized as one given the proper circumstances (like being able to throw some kinds of knives, etc)

>>6034
Whe I say "advanced weapons" I mean those which are hard to understand or surreal. Such as a rocket chainsaw, to put a silly example.

>>6035
Well, even so I will say that Although it is possible to use a ranged weapon within the mansion, because of the trees between the guesthouse and the mansion no one could shoot them unless they were on the third floor, and because the position of the Guesthouse the only place where the guesthouse is visible is from Kinzo's room
However this twilight doesn't end here.

Riddle 3: In the case a ranged weapon was used, how did the culprit enter Kinzo's room.

And, before we start, let me say that.
Kinzo's room has an auto-lock in the door.
Once locked, it can only be opened with a key of Kinzo's room
There are only two keys of Kinzo's room
Both were at the parlor since Rosa's group left and they remained there untill Battler group left

>>6037
Simple, the door was propped open, opened from the inside, left open (accidentally or not), or perhaps someone was already inside the room, or perhaps someone they were able to enter from another passage/door/window.

>>6035
I see you beat me to this theory, very well then.

>>6037
There have been many ways to enter Kinzo's study without a key. So if you don't mind I will bring out the shotgun.

Someone leaving the study held the door open for the culprit.

While someone was leaving the study the door was propped open so it didn't lock, someone could then enter at a later time.

When someone left the study, the culprit rushed over before the door closed and entered.

One of the windows was used to enter the study.

An entrance was removed or made and then put back to normal to allow entrance.

The culprit was already in the study when Rosa's group left regardless of if the keys were used.

>>6038
The door was closed before the culprit entered
There is only one door
Before the culprit entered no one was inside the room
It is forbidden for hidden passages to exist.
Even if the culprit entered by the window I want to ask: How s/he did it?

>>6039
The last one that entered the study before the culprit entered left at 20:00

>>6039
>>6038
Geez, almost identical...

>>6041
You forgot the theory about the window being removed.

Another one that could work is that The window was broken, or already unlocked. Thus the culprit would have no trouble entering.

>>6042
I have to remind that this window is in the third floor?
How did the culprit reached the window in the first place?

>>6043
They do it all the time in the novel.

They climbed up the gutters, or used a ladder.

>>6044
The culprit didn't climbed up the gutters
The only ladder high enough to get to Kinzo's room was in the shed at 22:00

>>6030
You don't need to apologize about it. I just made an observation. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I am so sorry if I hurt you. I am having a great time with your game and I'll try to reach the end of it!

Now, returning to the game:
>In those cases I would like to ask you.
>Riddle 2: How did the last one die?

My two theories about stabbing and hit to death don't put one of six people as Culprit. In these two theories, a 7th person killed those 6 people.
However, if you put thisx 2nd riddle on the table, then this implies that there is a Culprit between those 6 people.

>>6043
Simple: The Culprit used a ladder.
The Culprit used a rope.

That's only what I can think for now. I don't if I have internet in my mother's home, but if it has, I'll try to connect soon as I can.

>>6045
Repeat it in red!
"Once the victims were killed their bodies never moved until they were found by Battler's group."

>>6046
>there is a Culprit between those 6 people.
The victims are all merely victims, that is to say, that none of them are accomplices, willing or not, as well as that they are not culprits
>Ladder
see my previous post.
>Rope
To get up with a rope you need do something to contrarrest the corporal weight
The rope wasn't there at 22:00

>>6048
Once the victims were killed their bodies never moved until they were found by Battler's group.

>>6046
Also don't worry, I just wanted you all to feel comfortable while playing the game, so I proposed that trying to improve the game experience.

>>6051
Alright then, I'll need to check a few things then.

Repeat it!
"The last person to leave the study before 22:00 was not an accomplice."

>>6054
I refuse

>>6055
Hmm, hopefully I didn't word that incorrect. Anyway let's try this then.

The last person to leave was an accomplice, they use themselves as a weight to pull the culprit up the study.

>>6056
The last one that entered the study before the culprit entered left at 20:00
The rope wasn't there at 22:00

>>6057
Exactly, so the theory works. If I need to explain more then I will do so.

At 20:00 the accomplice used a rope to pull the culprit up into the study. At the same time the accomplice left. Afterwards the accomplice took the rope with them and the culprit waited to get a good shot at the victims. The victims probably didn't even make it inside the guesthouse.

>>6058
Before the culprit entered no one was inside the room
Those dead people outside the guesthouse died around 03:00.

>>6059
Alright lets try another.

The accomplice opened the window and then left the study. Later, the culprit threw a grappling hook in through the window and climbed up. This window was in the courtyard so it still counts as inside the mansion!

>>6059
Okay. I'll let Ozaki take care of this 3rd Riddle. However, you didn't answer my blue about "______ to death". So, I'll repeat to you:

They were all hit to death and died, but the fact that doesn't have any blood on the floor is because they were all hit in places that didn't provoke external bleeding. Also, the Culprit cover their wounds with their clothes.

They were all stabbed to death and died, but the fact that doesn't have any blood on the floor is because the Culprit cleared their wounds and cover it with their clothes.

Aaaand, due to your red denying a Culprit between those 6, A 7th person killed them. Also, since I'm focused on 1st Riddle, I am not forced to tell how they were dragged outside the Guest house.

>>6061
They weren't hit to death nor stabbed to death
And I'll admit your last blue they were killed by a seventh person however that alone doesn't explain how did that person killed them.
>>6060
The culprit didn't use a grappling hook

>>6062
Well if the rest of my theory works then...
A rope or item X then.

>>6062
Hum... Let's try other strategy. Repeat in red: "The wounds that prove they were dead are hiding under their clothes."
Since you didn't deny all red, I can't see why you can't repeadt this.

Also, repeat in red: "The Culprit didn't kill the 6 people by touching them (touching with a knife, fists, syringe, etc)."

>>6063
The culprit didn't throw the rope inside the room with any object attached on it

>>6064
I refuse to repeat the first part.
The Culprit didn't kill the 6 people by touching them (touching with a knife, fists, syringe, etc)

>>6065
So it was that after all.
The accomplice attached the rope to something in the room and threw the other end out out the window.

>>6066
Great! Thank you for your answers! It was perfect!

Since you denied, I can freely say that The wounds that prove they were dead are hiding under their clothes. And you repeated in red that "The Culprit didn't kill the 6 people by touching them (touching with a knife, fists, syringe, etc)", I can say this:

The Culprit killed them with a long-range attack!

>>6068
But what about
>>6037

That didn't perfectly confirm a projectile, but that's pretty close

>>6065
This also fails to deny a rope being thrown up with a loop in it (since there's nothing attached to the rope in this case) that would catch onto something and allow the person to climb up it.

>>6067
The rope wasn't there at 22:00
>>6068
I'll let you keep those blues for now.

And if you would excuse me, could we continue with this tomorrow? If you want you can keep using your blue and I'll get back at it tomorrow.

>>6069
Last one for today
The rope wasn't thrown

As I can see, 1st Twillight is almost solved. As far as we know:
The Culprit probably killed the 6 people with a long-range attack inside Kinzo's Study. (>>6041, >>6070)
The wounds that prove the 6 people are dead are hiding under their clothes. (>>6070)

Now... If S/He killed them... How did S/He get into there?
It wasn't by gutters, nor rope, nor ladder, nor door.

The only thing I can think is:
The culprit get into "Waiting Room" or "One Ingot Room" and left by the window. Then, the culprit walked very carefully to Kinzo Room's window and get into there. (like those spy movie when a spy left by the window and walk until another one) This is different of "use the gutters", because gutters are on the roof.

However, if wasn't this...
The Culprit didn't necessary need to be in Kinzo's room to do a long-range attack. The Culprit is known by the 6 people, implying they could easily open Guest House door to him/her and the culprit killed them with:
Darts, stones, spear, another gun (you never said how many guns exist in Rokkenjima), glass (for example, throwing a bottle of alcohol drink), etc.

If you throw something at someone, this is considered as a long-range attack. If don't, then, please, give me or definition of "Long-range attack" and "Short-range attack".

>>6072
Actually Eriko, if you take a look at the red, you'll notice BUL has never denied a rope being used. Just that it wasn't thrown, which is way too specific.

>>6071
Anyway BUL, I think I'm ready to go back onto the gameboard.

Unless you can deny certain parts of this theory: "The accomplice opened the window and then made it possible for the culprit to enter the study via rope. Later, the culprit used the rope to enter the study. This window was in the courtyard so it still counts as inside the mansion."

This is only one combination, the main parts in the theory are that the accomplice helped the culprit into the study one way or another. Additionally I can tweak it to fit other scenarios easily, such as the culprit could have brought the rope and used it themselves, or they could have been outside the mansion, just they did it all before rosa's group left the mansion.

>>6073
I agree with you, Ozaki. BUL, after you answer my blues, send me to Gameboard, please.
I am ready to go back onto Gameboard too. I need to examine the corpses and collect more info.

If the blue goes through, I'm willing to move on as well. Also, I wonder if a harpoon gun gets around the red because the rope is shot rather than thrown...

>>6072
The windows of the and Waiting Room and One Ingot Room lead outside the mansion
>The Culprit didn't necessary need to be in Kinzo's room to do a long-range attack. The Culprit is known by the 6 people, implying they could easily open Guest House door to him/her and the culprit killed them with:
Darts, stones, spear, another gun (you never said how many guns exist in Rokkenjima), glass (for example, throwing a bottle of alcohol drink), etc.
The only place inside the mansion where it was possible to shoot the ones outside the guesthouse is Kinzo's room
>>6073
The culprit didn't use a rope

[Resume game]
After Battler's group found the corpses of the guesthouse group, Rudolf told Kumasawa to explain the situation to the rest of the people. Kumasawa went and reunited everyone of the living members of the family outside the guesthouse, then she told the situation to the Referee, who went to call all the detectives and told them the situation.

You:
A)I'll go outside the guesthouse.
B)I'll stay where I am.

I choose "A": I'll go outside the guesthouse.

"..... Wha...... What!? ...... How this...... When this.....? ....... Is this....... Is this really.....?" I am still chocked. I can't find words to manifest my feelings. "I'll check this with my own eyes! But, please, find me a pair of gloves for me! It's extremely important! It's urgent!"

Finishing this, I run as fast as I can to the Guest House.

>>6079
I'll go the guesthouse and I'll look over the bodies for external wounds, flipping the bodies if I have to.

>>6079
I'll go to the guesthouse as well.

The three detectives went to the guesthouse where they found the family. Most of the members had their faces red from sadness or anger. The Referee then said:
-It's a tragic event, all of them have died here, exposed to the thyphoon. It's really infuriating. I want to catch whoever did it and send it to jail.
-But we can't do anything!? -said Eva, crying- The bastard that killed my poor George is still free! Ooh George, why!? Why would anyone do such a thing to you!?
-Calm down, Eva -said Hideyoshi with a dark expression.
-Don't worry everyone, -said the Referee- the people that are here with me came here to try to gather some clues about the murder so we can know how it was done. They are detectives sent to this family conference, so they will try to investigate the crime scene, please give them all the information they need. I've heard that the one that joined us last, Rudolfo, is also a detective. However he is right now in the room in the mansion. I think he didn't felt well.
After everyone heard the Referee, they let the detectives do their job.

-Outside the guesthouse (Referee)
Detectives: Hachijo, Ozaki, Kinjo.
People: Krauss, Natsuhi, Eva, Hideyoshi, Rudolf, Kyrie, Battler, Nanjo, Genji, Gohda.
Corpses: Rosa, Jessica, George, Maria, Shannon, Kanon.
Objects: Corpses, Floor, Wall, Windows.

>>6345
Oh and
People: Kumasawa