I want to know these things in red.

-Is Kinzo really dead?
-Is the burnt body really Kinzo's?
-Where was everyone when this happened.
-What happened before, during, and after this happened.
-Cross-Checks from everyone stating where the others were.
-This still follow's Van Dine's Isacologue.
-All details and senses of the room, inside and outside it.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT

>Kinjo

Kinzo is a title, Nanjo took it on right before dying via flame. Nanjo is a title now also, Kinzo took the title of Nanjo, and killed Nanjo by burning him with method X earlier then had accomplice X drag him into the room.

Kinzo became Kinjo when he was burned, Nanjo is old, but he can light a fire. That also works the other way around, and "Nanjo" is now Kinjo.

-Is Kinzo really dead?
Yes he ir dead
-Is the burnt body really Kinzo's?
That is Kinzo's corpse
-Where was everyone when this happened.
Mourning Hideyoshi's death
-What happened before, during, and after this happened.
Before: The events of the 4th twilight,After:Everyone alive took refuge in the guest house
-Cross-Checks from everyone stating where the others were.
George, Battler, Shannon,Nanjo, Krauss , Genji, Gohda,Kinzo and Rosa witnessed Hideyoshi's corpse




-This still follow's Van Dine's Isacologue.
According to me,yes,but maybe not

-All details and senses of the room, inside and outside it.
Kinzo study is as described in the canon games, a mini house with a bathroom , a Kitchen,a Bedroom and the study itself, but its irrelevant since the murder took place in the study part of the study. The room is a mess, a tons of ropes are on the floor and walls.


>>4964
>>4965
that was a typo Kinjo don't exist in this game and Nanjo is innocent sorry about that besides even if that was true it goes against the van dine rules that the author cannot trick the reader , only the culprit can

Where do these ropes lead to?

>>4970
to no place they are only hanging from the walls
and some are on the floor, some look broken.

Kinzo's corpse was tied up, then dragged there by the culprit, who killed Kinzo earlier with fire. Perhaps he was drugged/sedated first, to make it easier. After dragging Kinzo's heavy corpse with the rope, he cut the rope for X reason, then left using method X.

>>4974
Kinzo went to his room walking
and as a extra hint :
Kinzo is innocent, but he is insane,in a non dangerous way

Kinzo complied with the culprit for X reason, and let the killer/tied himself up on the wall/ceiling, then the culprit killed Kinzo with fire. Also, since the ropes are cut, the culprit cut the ropes so that Kinzo could burn, but the ropes can be saved! Because you know, ropes are precious man.

Complied doesn't mean accomplice, by the way.

>>4978
Kinzo was burned certainly , but not with fire.
Kinzo was lured to the room

the ropes are certainly involved in the murder

It's probably something like this...

Kinzo was lured by an illusion of his insanity, who he though was Beatrice. That illusion just happened to wonder into his study, where a trap was placed using rope and something acidic, if not acidic.. Substance X.

My theory of the trap.

Kinzo opens the door, or X when he enters the room, perhaps triggers something when he sits down in a chair. That makes the rope he possibly didn't notice/didn't care about trap him, while acid/substance X is poured on him, which causes him to burn into what he is now, also causes part of the ropes to burn, therefore being "cut".

The method of murder is right

However.....Kinzo didn't have his key when he was with the others
Only Genji had its key with him


In the end.....How did Kinzo entered the room?

What happened to his master key?

The answer is obvious.........GAAP HELPED KINZO.

George stole the key from Genji and gave it to Kinzo, alternatively, there are two keys, Kinzo let George hang on to it, and asked for it back right before he left.

>>4987
Kinzo left the key and never took it,
Genji and Shannon will never gave their keys to someone else
Kumasawa and Kanon's key were destroyed after their bodies were discovered and
Currently none of the Survivors except for Genji and Shannon are holding a key.
Kinzo's key was in the same place he left it

Where is Kinzo's master key currently?

>>4995

>>4990
Last sentence

It's simple, he went "through" the door. USING THE SAME SUBSTANCE X THAT KILLED HIM.

He burned a hole in the wall. Broke a hole in the wall to go through, etc.

Are there enough clues for me to discern how he entered?

>>5001
Rosa mentioned what you said, but Battler and Shannon checked the door and there wasn't a hole in the door

Tripwire. Kinzo tripped over the tripwire, which made the door open, it connected to the door by X. The door was unlocked from the inside, as if it was magic, to Kinzo of course. But in reality, a tripwire he tripped on opened it up.

>>5005
the traps where inside the room, No traps were in the in the hallway

>>5008

Not a trap, a device to open the door.

>>5011
The only deviced that the door has is the autolock one,its impossible to pick that lock or install another device....in short words:No device like that exist...

I'll state it again.

There are not enough clues to pinpoint this, or the narrative does not show.

>>5015
>There are not enough clues to pinpoint this, or the narrative does not show.

There are enough Clues to pinpoint this

In a previous twilight I mentioned that Kinzo's door had an autolock
The only device that could open the door is the autolock, and only the key can open the door of Kinzo's study

Good.

The door was never closed. Kinzo just waltzed right in, believing Beatrice opened it up with her magic.

>>5027
Certainly The door was opened , but how was this possible?

Isn't it obvious, the culprit made the trap, then walked out forgetting to close the door or something.

>>5031
Rosa herself locked the room

Did Kinzo himself open the door?

>>5046
but before saying it in Red I would like to hear what theory do you have in mind.

It's simple.

There's a secret button/X that he can X to get in. Not too hard to make, it goes to the autolock, and unlocks it.

Also, another theory is this.

KINZO IS ALREADY IN THE ROOM, HE NEVER LEFT. PERHAPS SOMEONE WAS ACTING HIM OUT, PERHAPS KRAUSS!!!

>>5049

>There's a secret button/X that he can X to get in. Not too hard to make, it goes to the autolock, and unlocks it.
The only way to open the door is using the key

>KINZO IS ALREADY IN THE ROOM, HE NEVER LEFT. PERHAPS SOMEONE WAS ACTING HIM OUT, PERHAPS KRAUSS!!!
Kinzo left with the other
When Everyone left to search for hideyoshi
no one stayed in the room

(Also the Will of your gameboard isnt me)

>>5050

Remind me, who's "the other" The.. culprit~

Also ok.

>>5053
sorry another typo
Kinzo left with the otherS

Ok. Then this...

Was the door opened from the inside or outside for Kinzo? I may have a theory depending on which.

>>5055
Outside of the room. he opened the door

>>5067

The only way to open the door is with the key..
From the outside...
No hidden device X...
Kinzo does not have a key...
Yet, he entered with the key...

Either I'm missing something, are stupid, or a logic error. Would you be kind enough to discern which?

>>5070
Think about it, He had the key after they went to check Kyrie and Rudolf's death. He lost it when all were about to check Hideyoshi status and he was the only one that returned and used the key.

He certainly lost the key
Yet he was lured to his room

Remember the opened letter?

>>5075

The letter contained the key, the key was outside the door, Kinzo opened up the letter and used the key to open the door.

Ok, so I was just stupid.

>>5077
Exactly

It was a fun day~

The solution is the following :
Everyone realized that Hideyoshi was missing , The culprit was the last to come from the room
meanwhile he took a letter he wrote: Praise my name.
and put the key inside. He told the accomplice to prepare the trap that would kill Kinzo.

After that both closed the room and left the letter there. The accomplice told Kinzo that something was wrong in the room. Kinzo went to the room.He then realized that he didn't had the key. So he saw the letter he opened and saw the message. with the key, he opened the studio with the key, He entered ,left the key in the place it was.throwed the opened letter away and tried to return......but he fell on the trap.

Congratulations.

>>5082
Ah , yes I forgot the first paragraph is the truth

>>5082

Ahhh..

Yup, btw the sixth the seventh and the eight twilight will occur at the same time btw.

After witnessing the death of Kinzo, Everyone realized that the culprit, must be in the mansion......so Rosa , Genji, Nanjo,Gohda,Krauss,Battler and George the last 8 survivors decided to refuge themselves inside the guest house fortunately
there was enough food for them. since they were only 8.and she was conviced that Genji Shannon Gohda and nanjo were working together She told battler and George to check the rooms to make sure there wasn't any trap.
after that the eight of them decided that one of the them was the culprit. Not happy with just that ,She told Genji Nanjo Gohda and Shannon that the Ushiromiyas going to enter and lock themselves first. The first was Battler, then Krauss , then George and Rosa then locked herself.
. 2 hours later...Rosa decided to call everyone,but only Battler , Shannon, George and Krauss answered to the call.Rosa...called for Genji,Nanjo and Gohda but none of the three was on the living room. After a while , Rosa decided to find them in their room. She knocked but there wasn't any response. Rosa realized that There was a chain in the roomRosa quickly opened the door with special scissors Kanon lent her yesterday. and She realized that apparently they were in the room. Rosa touched each of the beds. and the beds were hot.Rosa concluded that
they left.....Rosa holding a winchester called Krauss, George,Shannon and Battler.
and went outside......after a while Rosa found Genji nanjo and gohda....the three were deaddespite the fact that the wounds they had weren't lethal (except Gohda) the stakes weren't the cause of dead.

After a while......Rosa realized the truth......THAT NONE OF THE SERVANTS WAS THE CULPRIT AND THAT NO ONE HAS BEEN FAKING THEIR DEATHS.

Rosa turned away quickly.............and saw the culprit and the accomplicethe ones that called themselves..Beatrice-sama.(I won't hear any culprit theories until you first solve the 6th-8th twilight)
(and when that happens, you will tell me the whodunnit howdunnit and Whydunnit)

Repeat it in red: No one has faked their death in this game.

>>5091
NO ONE HAS BEEN FAKING THEIR DEATHS.

>>5092

The culprit snuck out during the lockdown session, had a master key, broke in and killed the victims. Alternatively, instead of killing, he just stuck stakes into the already dead victims.

My other theory is this.
The victims died of suffocation in some fashion, they died of heat, they died of poison, etc.

I would like an autopsy of the bodies, to search for traces of such possibilities.

>>5093
Sadly, No wounds or poison traces were foundan hypodermic syringe wasn't used
As I said in the story :The stakes weren't the cause of death
>>5090
Also Rosa ,Since all the servants are innocent, and Rosa witnessed every Ushiromiya entering in the room was impossible

They didn't die of suffocation

They each have their own rooms, correct?

>except Gohda

Explain Gohda's lethal wound.
Is there a murder weapon in that wound?

>>5097
No, but Gohda died due to blood loss from the stake on the stomach, and what killed Nanjo and Genji

>The beds were hot.

Perhaps the whole room is hot.

You never denied my theory of them dying by heat, poison, gas, etc. They also could have died from blood loss.

>>5101
Heat isn't involved in the murders
It was hot but only in one part of the bed,oddly enough it had an unnatural temperature

Also, about the chain.

The chain was used to murder the victims in some fashion, strangulation, squeezed, etc.

>>5103
This is the chain I am refeering
http://www.miami-locks.com/pictures/hardware/door_chain_guard.jpg

>>5102

If that was body heat, that indicates a fever, which indicates a problem with the body. Poisoned, gassed, variations of poisoning (food poisoning, mushrooms, etc), there could be something up with the bed itself, a trap.

>>5105
As I said Human heat is related to the murderbut at the same time its unrelated to the death cause of the three

>>5106

What about the poisoning and everything else I said? You keep avoiding that.

And I accidentally fell asleep olol.

>>5109
No poison traces were found they werent poisoned

Say it in red: "Krauss is not the culprit."

The circumstances of the adults in the canon games are present here.

Beato is not the only opponent of this board Anyone can challengue it.

The beds got hot because they were tied up on the beds.

>>5127
Lol what, there was only 1 bed in each room, it is impossible for them to be tied to each other

Simple.
The culprit entered the room, killed the victims and then threw the bodies outside. The culprit then when back into the room, locked the chain from the inside and hid somewhere in the room.

>>5130
The culprit didn't need to the enter to the rooms

Battler and George searched for traps, this is most likely not a trap. I would like in red that there are no traps for this twilight, however.

>>5132
Well then
the victims left the room on their own will
Or simply
the culprit killed them from outside the room using weapon X.

>>5133
George and Battler didn't find any trap
well Shannon may be but as I said...Yasu don't exist in this game...~~~

>>5134
The culprit killed them from outside

>>5135
however....none of the windows were open and the windows faces to places where a person can't stand
to shoot.

>>5136
this statement is in red btw

>>5136

There was a mirror near the window, the mirror let the culprit see where they were, then simply shot through the window, the culprit calculates the shot to richet into the culprit, of course.

Also, The culprit used the air duct from outside and killed them with X.

Devil's proof.

>>5138
Such Mirror and Such air duct dont exist in the rooms.

>>5139

>Near the window

That includes outside also.

>>5140
As I said Such mirror don't exist which include
a mirror inside and a Mirror outside

>>5141

Just had to make sure, gotta be careful with possible wordplay~

I'll think up something else in a bit.

>>5142
Hint :Read between lines and read all reds of this twilight

You will have limited time to solve this last murder
if you can't solve it by monday at midnight.
This game will end.

>>5146
I'll give it a shot or two Lion.

The victims died from electric shock. The heat in the one spot was because of the shock that occurred on that spot.

>>5148
They didn't died due to electric shocks

Think about the culprits

>>5146

Well then, looks like I have a mystery to solve!

>Rosa, Genji, Nanjo, Gohda, Krauss, Battler, and George. The last 8 victims.

How could I not have noticed this.

The culprit/accomplice is not with the 7 that entered first, the culprit/accomplice entered later. The culprit/accomplice could have entered when the servants were going in, disguised.

There was no mention of Shannon. Shannon is not a servant/whatever, you said this mystery might not follow Van Dine's. Shannon was in the mansion, then while the others locked themselves in, she joined with the servants as if she was always there. Then killed all of them, the Ushiromiya's wouldn't know because they were locked in. After she killed them using method X, she put them in their room. Also, perhaps the servants did the same thing the Ushiromiya's did and locked themselves in one at a time, Shannon/The culprit killed Genji, Nanjo, and Gohda after the others went in.

Repeat this is red: "Only the servants were in the room(s) that only held other servants. The Ushiromiya's were in the room(s) that only held other Ushiromiya's."

If there were mixed rooms... Then Krauss killed them, Shannon assisted, and vice versa.

>>5152
Shannon is innocent as I said
Only the servants were in the room(s) that only held other servants. The Ushiromiya's were in the room(s) that only held other Ushiromiya's. The only ones that entered in the room were George and Battler (but that was before they locked themselves) To make sure there wasn't any trap.

I'm pretty sure George and Battler were confirmed in red to be innocent, but just to make sure: George and/or Battler set traps/X in the Servant's room.

Also, just to clear up a mistake in my request of your red. Repeat this please: "Nanjo is in the room with only the other servants".

As far as Battler/George goes: Battler and/or George is not the culprit, they are technically the accomplice now however. The culprit may have handed something to them to put in the room, also they may not be accomplice(s), because they unknowingly put it there knowing it was a trap of sorts.

>The culprit didn't need to enter the rooms.
>Chainlock.

Oh you.

The culprit killed them outside the room through the chainlock using Method X with possible Weapon X.

>>5154
Read the red again~
>>5155
Also,The culprit wasn't near of the rooms when the murders happened. and a trap didn't killed them

>Food

There was something wrong with the food the servants ate, they suffered a fever/whatever from it that made them hot, thus making the beds very hot. I could list that there was poison, food poisoning, a lazer, a scorpion, a tarantula, etc. was in the food, but whatever it was caused their death. Perhaps it made them insane and they ran out to that pole/whatever and stabbed themselves too. Devil's proof.

Oh, and just for the hell of it...

They ate small bombs!

>>5156
What in your eyes is a 'trap' Lion.

>>5157
That would count as poisoning, Food going bad due to time, and things like that count as poisoning and that didn't happen


>>5159
Something that is set to murder like devices, mechanism, things with triggers

>>5160

You can't poison someone with explosions!

They ate small bombs!

>>5161
Uh, Beato. A bomb would fall under a trap.

>>5162

There's no trigger in the throat, they could just have randomly exploded, the GM will decide if it's false~

>>5163
Bombs weren't neccesary for this murder

>>5164

It's stupid for me to ask, but are there even enough clues in this twilight for us to pinpoint the who, how, and why? I already said something about the 8 when you only mentioned 7 names, but you never responded to that.

The victims were not killed in the room/rooms they entered in.

>>5165
That was another mistake of mine , I forgot mentioning Shannon, despite the fact that she is innocent Since Van dine requires me to focus on the mystery , I can't focus on Shannon
besides , the red that say that she is innocent , should be an obvious alibi.and of course Shannon is the only Shannon of this game

>>5166
My my....can you tell me more about it?~~~