>>5163
Bombs weren't neccesary for this murder

>>5164

It's stupid for me to ask, but are there even enough clues in this twilight for us to pinpoint the who, how, and why? I already said something about the 8 when you only mentioned 7 names, but you never responded to that.

The victims were not killed in the room/rooms they entered in.

>>5165
That was another mistake of mine , I forgot mentioning Shannon, despite the fact that she is innocent Since Van dine requires me to focus on the mystery , I can't focus on Shannon
besides , the red that say that she is innocent , should be an obvious alibi.and of course Shannon is the only Shannon of this game

>>5166
My my....can you tell me more about it?~~~

>>5167
Alright. The victims weren't dead when Rosa entered the rooms, just hiding. They snuck out while Rosa was looking around. They left the rooms and were then killed by the culprit.

As such, the culprit did not need the enter the room like you said, they did not need to use a trap, and they were outside of the room, since the murder took place elsewhere.

>>5168
for this murder the victims didn't even need to enter in the room

There is more than one culprit.
Every one of the Ushiromiya's but Rosa is in on it.
Krauss (It's obvious he's the culprit by now) somehow killed them outside their room.
Not enough clues are presented to determine the murder/
Rosa entered last, so no one could have killed them behind her back.
The culprit killed the victims in a way that was timed, or which Rosa wouldn't notice before the Ushiromiyas went in their room.

>>5170

There is ONLY one culprit..
The culprit somehow killed them outside their room.
there are enough clues are presented to determine the murder
Rosa entered last of the ushiromiyas
The culprit killed the victims are timed, or which Rosa wouldn't notice before the Ushiromiyas went in their room.

Extra hint :
Genji Gohda and Nanjo were the perfect victims for this murder

>>5169
>>5171
Wait? Hmm... The victims were killed before they entered the rooms.

If Eva was alive you would suspect Eva.Since this murder could be executed perfectly by Eva

This better still follow Van Dine's...

Rosa is the culprit.

>>5174
Rosa is innocent

>>5174
As I said, According to me, it follows Van dine,
but it may be not by one rules I haven't contemplated

>>5176

Explain the rule or whatever, I'm bored of the guessing game.

>>5177
Nah, forget it, It follows Van Dine

I would like a list of all relevant things for this twilight. Basically, I want a review.

Apparently I'm not reading something.

Lion did the victims enter the rooms, and were they killed in those rooms, yes or no.

>>5180
The victims didn't entered in the roomYet there is heat in the bed as a proof that they were lying there..
>>5179
The woundless victims
The heat on the bed
The age of the servants
Those that remain
The culprit
the Accomplice
The closed rooms and the Ushiromiyas.

>>5181
So basically, they were killed before they entered the room, and then the accomplice laid in the bed, or via method x set up so the bed would be warm. This that correct?

>>5181

Oh, so if I asked this in the first place, this would have been many times easier.

Krauss used Method X to take advantage of Genji, Nanjo, and Gohda old age to kill them. Devil's proof is applicable because there is not enough of anything to determine which exact method, I refuse to explain.

If it was body heat, then the culprit/accomplice laid there to make it hot. There was a device that made it hot. Devil's proof.

>>5182
they were killed after the ushiromiyas and Shannon locked themselves.
Shannon locked herself after Rosa.
and yes,one of the murderers laid on the bed to warm the beds

>>5183
Yes, the culprit took advantage of Nanjo gohda and Genji's old age

>and yes, one of the murderers laid on the bed to warm the beds

...

Van Dine's 12th: There must be but one culprit, no matter how many murders are committed. The culprit may, of course, have a minor helper or co-plotter; but the entire onus must rest on one pair of shoulders: the entire indignation of the reader must be permitted to concentrate on a single black nature.

Up until now I thought "CulpritS/KillerS/MurdererS" was just a typo. You're breaking one of the rules, what's up with that?

>>5185
Didn't I gave my definitions for accomplice and murderer last time?
remember that both can murder just that one is the mastermind.

>>5185
Culprit is the mastermind that planned everything
he himself may commit the murders but sometimes he may rely on one person to do the dirty work.

Accomplice he may assist or directly participate in the murders and he may or may not be human.

>>5186

>As I said, According to me, it follows Van dine,
but it may be not by one rules I haven't contemplated

I suppose that rule was Van Dine's 12th?

Well whatever, the "How" of this twilight is complete now, correct?

>>5188
>>5189
yeah, now that that is complete.......it remains
the Whodunnit and Whydunnit...have in mind that you can only guess two times. If that fails you may not guess again.

Ok, but I would like to ask some things.

Is it two times for each? Or two for both?

Also, I am allowed to ask questions and for you to answer to get a better understanding of the why, correct? Also, I need only explain who the culprit is, the accomplice is insignificant because it is most likely not human (Fire ants, etc)

>>5191
The culprit and the accomplice are humans
You have to guess the accomplice and the culprit
his accomplice and the whydunnit of both of them.

Ok, then I'm going to ask some questions.

Does Krauss love Jessica and Natsuhi right now?

Also, Shannon entered AFTER Rosa, correct, how many minutes/seconds after Rosa?

Would Kinzo listen to George?

Does Battler remember his promise with Shannon? (Perhaps they ended up liking each other anyways, even though she is not Yasu.

This is not a guess, just a simple inquiry.

I would like to ask another question.

Did each of the survivors have their own rooms?

If not, specify who is where.

>>5193

>Does Krauss love Jessica and Natsuhi right now?
Krauss does love Jessica and Natsuhi
>Also, Shannon entered AFTER Rosa, correct, how many minutes/seconds after Rosa?
right away (10 seconds after)
>Would Kinzo listen to George?
He treated George like all the relative
>Does Battler remember his promise with Shannon? (Perhaps they ended up liking each other anyways, even though she is not Yasu.
The only reason Shannon is innocent, is because Battler remembered his promise.However that was the trigger for the suffering of another person

>Did each of the survivors have their own rooms?
Yes the eight of them had their own room

>>5195
the 10 seconds answer treat is as a red
This is all the hints I will give you.

>>5132
Lion;
>The culprit didn't need to the enter to the rooms

Does this mean that the culprit did not enter the rooms?

>>5197
He didn't need to be on the room to murder them

The culprit is... Krauss!
George is the accomplice!

Krauss killed for Money and/or Headship of the Ushiromiya family!

George became Krauss' accomplice when he heard about Shannon and Battler!



[A theory about the voice recording]
Also, a theory on the voice recording with Hideyoshi's murder! Eva's family was going to murder everyone for X reason, and Eva played the part of Beatrice while Hideyoshi was the helpless victim. Eva was planning on faking her death! George may have defected to Krauss' side when he heard about Shannon and Battler. George then told Krauss that Eva would do that, and Krauss/George killed Eva.

>>5199
Are you sure of your answers?

>>5200

Yeah, might as well go with it.
Is there anything wrong with it?

>>5201
While the murderers are obvious, you got them wrong.


George is the culprit
and Krauss is the accomplice

>>5202

Yeah, thought it was gonna be something like that.

Lion what about the motives? Are they correct?

>>5204
I wanted to wait for you So now that you are here, the motives were the following:

Initially, with Battler remembering his sin, supposedly the murders weren't supposed to happen........however that triggered and bringed the old creepy George back (Seriously he was 17 and being jealous for a 10 year old)
George couldn't stand the fact that Shannon left him, So he started his murder spree, George realized that Kumasawa Kanon Jessica were close to Shannon so he murdered the three,He also killed Natsuhi to use Krauss as a accomplice, and he killed Eva because George hated that he was living the dream of his mother. George using his influence and few wealth also managed
to buy the companies that holded Krauss'debt.So he forced Krauss to kill his OWN DAUGHTER AND WIFE.

Happy seeing Shannon suffering. He killed Kyrie and Rudolf with the method I explained
for the sake of also making Battler suffering.

Krauss with orders of George made a record of his voice in which he mentioned things
to troll while he was recording hideyoshi.

Kinzo's death was of course idea of George but Krauss didn't say anything about it.
They lured him claiming to be Beatrice....where he was murdered with the trap.

>>5206

I see, so that was it.

>>5206
Well that is interesting. Good job Lion. On completing a good game that is not so much hugely based on wordplay/word tricks on how people died. Well done; your best game you've made.

>>5206
AND THE SOLUTION OF THE LAS MURDER :

When George was checking the rooms, George suggested battler to only check the rooms in which the Ushiromiyas were going to stay....So he decided to lay in each of the three beds of the three rooms while generating lots of heat.Since George's clothes were made of wool.that was easy.He also locked the rooms with chains with elastic bands(Rosa didn't know at the time that George did that )

After he finished. He secretly talked with Genji, Nanjo Gohda and Krauss.
George conviced Genji Nanjo and Gohda that Rosa battler and Shannon were the culprits....and conviced them to left the rooms after shannon locked herself.

So the Ushiromiyas locked themselves in order, First Battler, then George,then Krauss ,and then Rosa....after that Shannon locked herself....

Gohda Genji and Nanjo didn't enter in the rooms. after a while Krauss and George left the guest house........

and after a while the murders ocurred ......with george hitting the three victims with a kick in w vital spot in the neck.

Yeah, good job on your game, I liked it a lot.

We should play another one, next time I'll make a game~ Of course a billion times better than the one I just made! Hehehehe.

>>5209
>>5211
Yes.....it was hard~also check the solution of the last murder.

>>5212
Also thank you, I enjoyed murdering my own family making the twilights~

>>5213

Thank you for making them~

I'll make my game in maybe a week or two, since I'm not rushed now. I'll definitely be able to make something awesome~ hehehee

>>5214
you welocme~