>>3364
Doesn't mean that wasn't how he got in eh?
When George entered and then left the study no one else entered or left through the doorway.
George got into the room with the use of Genji's key to the study.

As for the letter.
The letter was placed there before the group entered the room.

Was the letter found on a table by any chance?

>>3365
When George entered and then left the study no one else entered or left through the doorway.

How is what key he used even relevant?

The letter was found on a table. And the letter was not placed there before the group entered the room.

>>3362
>Furthermore, the only two keys which could unlock the door to Kinzo's study remained on Kinzo's body and Genji's body the entire time.

How did George get into the study even then?

Good guess, Mr. Professor! I'd like to thoroughly investigate George until he squirms, though - George let in, consciously or unconsciously, another survivor when he went to get a gun.

Confirm or deny, please!

>>3366
>How is what key he used even relevant?
Really? Kinzo was found dead for the 2nd and Nanjo was found dead inside the study itself. If the key never left Genji or Kinzo's body then Genji could have just went with George. Unless Genji "parted with his pockets" or something similar. Ahaha. Of course this could all be simpler if you are trying to say,
George didn't enter through the door.

Anyway,
The window in the servant room wasn't locked so the culprit could have just took the key and locked the door from the inside. Then of course left through he window.

>>3367
Magic~

>>3368
Denied.

>>3369
The only entrances and exits in Kinzo's study are the door and window. No one passed through the window until Nanjo's corpse was discovered.

And the window and the servant's room was locked. No one left through the servant's room window.

>>3370

Sorry, I didn't mean to put you in a situation that you couldn't get out of, even with 'magic'!... Kya! Victory is so close I can almost taste it!

George-chan-

Ah, no need to rush. About the marks on Natsuhi's neck; was it readily apparent how she died? Dr. Nanjo could readily identify her as being dead with a 100% margin, right?

And the cause of death was one of those tacky stakes?

>>3371
Correct, Dr. Nanjo could readily identify her as being dead with a 100% margin. However, it wasn't one of those stakes that killed her.

>>3370
Kinzo and Nanjo are the same person. So therefore the keys stayed inside the study.

>>3373
Kinzo and Nanjo are not the same person.

>>3370
Well then, I'm going to go on a limb and say that,
George was able to get into the study without a key because there is no auto-lock on the study.

Another idea could be thatGeorge was let into the study by someone.
Of course this was before the 2nd twilight. Moving on.

Although the servant room was locked,
The window to the storehouse wasn't. So the culprit never used the key to the storehouse in the first place!

>>3374
Nanjo and Genji are the same person.

Genji was smothered by the Nanjo personality.

>>3372

A one-fact split out of two falsehoods is fine by me. Anyway, this is just a courtesy - but please repeat after me, all right?

Kanon was alive at the time and able to follow George into the study.
Natsuhi was alive at the time and able to follow George into the study.

Nanjo was alive at the time and able to follow George into the study.

Or, if you prefer -

The time of death between all three victims was not the same!

I'll be happy to hear you deny them-

... ROSA, even the possibility of the Nanjo personality is a little too frightening, don't you think?

>>3375
There is still an auto-lock on the study's door.
George let himself into the study.
The window to the storehouse was locked.

>>3376
Nanjo and Genji are not the same person.
Genji was not smothered by any 'Nanjo' personality.

>>3377
Like I said, at that time, no one followed George into the study. And although I'm not sure why you're asking, I'll repeat this just for good measure: The time of death between all three victims was not the same!

>>3378
George carried Kinzo's/Genji's body up to the door and then used the key through Kinzo's/Genji's pocket.

>>3379
Neither key was used through a pocket.

>>3380
Alright then.

The door was removed.

George took over the title "Kinzo," so therefore when George took the key from Kinzo, it still stayed on "Kinzo."

>>3378
Well then.
The door to the study wasn't locked when George went to get the guns.
George picked the lock.

>>3381
The door was not removed.
Correct, George took the title of Kinzo...!

>>3382
You're too late, Rosa just solved it.

>>3383
George killed Nanjo locked the door using the key after stuffing his corpse inside.

George's accomplice locked the servant's room door after George killed Natsuhi, locked the storehouse and killed Kanon.

Perfect - so we've established that there is no way that any of those dead guys followed George into the study. And the keys never left their person, nor were they used through a pocket. And as you've generously repeated for me, none of the victims were alive at any point to follow George through the door - at least not while alive.

So, George just chopped off the hand of either Kinzo or Gohda and used their hand with the key in it!

... What? It's what I would've done.

Right, fine.

George decided to get a gun the same time when Nanjo's dead body was discovered.

I'm a little shaky about this now, but it's not like a theory I create has ever been wrong!

... Eh?

That lardass just took the title of head?

I mean-

Good job, ROSA!... And Kinjo, you are a wily opponent.

I still like my 'getting a hand' idea. Heheh.

>>3384
Correct, George simply killed Nanjo, then used the key to place his corpse inside.

And George's accomplice locked the servant's room door after George killed Natsuhi, locked the storehouse, and returned the key.

>>3385
It's a good trick. If you ever make a gameboard yourself, it may come in handy some day.

Anyway, moving on:

Seventh and Eighth Twilights:

Rosa: severed limbs, found in one of the guest rooms
Gohda: severed limbs, found in Kinzo's study

Demonic stakes were found lying next to each corpse.

Also, note that some time had passed between finding Nanjo's corpse in the study and Gohda's corpse in the study. In addition, the chain on the guest room's door was set when Rosa's corpse was discovered. The survivors cut the chain before entering and finding her corpse inside.

>>3386
;_;
Well anyway onto those other murders.
Rosa was killed from inside the room.
The Rosa let the culprit in and then was killed. The culprit then hid inside the room when the body was discovered.

If you could, describe the guestroom. A simple picture would work if you want.

>>3386

My own... Board?

Heh. Interesting possible scenario. If such a reality is ever created, you're welcome to come try your hand at it, ha!

... So.


Starting with something simple; Rosa had set the chain on the door prior to her death.

>>3387
It's the standard guest room we've all seen in Umineko. Bedroom, bathroom, closet.

When I refer to the guestroom, I am referring to the bedroom, bathroom, and the closet.

No one was hiding in the guestroom when Rosa's corpse was discovered.

Whether she was killed inside or outside is irrelevant. Magic works both ways, right...?

>>3388
Naturally, Rosa set the chain on the door before she died.

>>3389
The culprit killed Rosa and then went out the window.

>>3390
The window was locked when Rosa's corpse was discovered.

>>3391
Repeat.

"Rosa was the last person to set the chain."

"The chain was last set while Rosa was still alive."

>>3392
Rosa was the last person to set the chain.

The chain was last set while Rosa was still alive.

>>3389
The culprit was let in by the culprit. After Rosa locked the door the culprit killed her, then left through the window. It was an awning window so it locked when the culprit let go of it.

The window was already broken to the study. So Gohda's body could have just been thrown through he window.

>>3394
*the culprit was let in by rosa

>>3393
Repeat: "It is impossible by any means to lock the window from outside of the room."

>>3394
The window was not an awning window.

And the study isn't really a closed room.

>>3396
It is impossible by any means to lock the window from outside of the room.

>>3397
>The window was locked when Rosa's corpse was discovered.

When who discovered the corpse?

>In addition, the chain on the guest room's door was set when Rosa's corpse was discovered.

When who discovered the corpse?

>The survivors cut the chain before entering and finding her corpse inside.

Who cut the chain, and who was around at that time.

They saw Rosa's corpse through the crack in the door, and then everyone expect George ran to get the cutter. While they were gone George (A survivor) cut the chain and then locked the window. Not everyone saw Rosa's corpse, and the person who wasn't with them before, came in and discovered Rosa's corpse, the window was locked at this time.

The chain being set does not stop someone from entering or exiting a room.

>>3397
Oh wow, I haven't been reading. Ok then.

Rosa was killed through the crack between the door and the chain.
Or,
The closed room was not made the same was as the first twilight. When I say that i mean that the room was locked before Rosa was injured in anyway.

>>3398
When Gohda discovered the corpse. For both times.

Gohda cut the chain. Rosa died before Gohda. At the time Gohda cut the chain, all other survivors were gathered in the parlor.

George did not cut the chain.

>3399
Both blues are correct.

>>3400
Oh, and Ozaki. Naturally, magic killed her through the crack of the door.

>>3400
>>3401
Doesn't that solve it then?

If Ozaki's blue is corret, then Rosa was killed through the crack in the door. Doesn't that answer everything?

>>3402
*correct.

>>3402
If he wants to be more specific, I'll let him.

And if you guys just want to move on, I'll advance the gameboard.

On the Ninth Twilight, none shall be left alive.

Battler: marks around neck, found in the rose garden
George: missing

Since there is clearly no closed room here, a simple explanation of what happened is enough.

>>3404
George and Battler went out to the Rose Garden, where George surprised Battler and strangled him, and then escaped off Rokkenjima.

>>3401
I've had enough of your magic this, magic that. I don't try to shotgun theories but whatever.
George shot her through the crack, the gun was powerful enough that at close range it could sever a limb.
George set up some wires int he room to be placed around the bed. When Rosa took a rest George pulled and they cut off a limb or two.
When George called Rosa over to the door he cut off her arm with an axe.
etc etc etc.

>>3406
Correct, he just hacked her to death.

>>3405
That is exactly what happened.

On the Tenth Twilight, the journey ends.

Maria: devoured by demons, and sent to hell.
Eva: devoured by demons, and sent to hell.
Hideyoshi: devoured by demons, and sent to hell.

When the seagulls cry, there are no survivors.

Thanks for playing, everyone!

>>3407
Good game Kinjo.
That program of yours should come in handy. In fact I might make a DR thread tomorrow, or even tonight if I'm not busy.

>>3407
George was the culprit..

One of the only seacat games with a George culprit, possibly the only.

>>3409
Didn't know that was a rule.

I would have thought someone would have used George as a culprit sooner or later, though.

It was something Anon told me. That George had never been used as a culprit in the history of seacats. It was a rule, George is always innocent. And Anon told me he would get mad at me, if my game had a George culprit answer.

>>3411
Actually, it wasn't George.

It was Kinzo-George.

Kinjo-rge.

inb4 bannedfromseacats.png

Oh, I didn't knew the Dinosaur King's post would be used to the next Twilights!

Anyway, that was a very elaborated game!