>>32630
The anime shouldn't be used to judge the novels. Beatrice's tragic and beautiful heart wasn't properly conveyed.

Even if on a whim you decided to read them one day, you may never understand, because after watching the anime first you can never truly experience the tale in all its majesty, as it appears to a virgin.

Madoka is super overrated and I wish people (and/or fans) would just shut up about it already.

>>32632
If the story only really appeals to virgins it must be rife with pathetic misconceptions about reality.

>>32633
Agreed. Especially on a board where it's not even relevant. Instead, it's almost as prevalent as Saten spam.

>>32634
I heard it only appeals to girls, which is funny. But don't twist my words in such a low brow manner.

Obviously, I mean one who is virgin to the Umineko experience™.

>>32636
I've seen enough of Umineko to know it is shit, and I know there are those who did read it from start to finish and agree nonetheless.

ITT

>>32633
How did I know that your first post of the New Year would be about showing spite for something people enjoy and/or an ambiguous group of people~?

>>32628
That's a nice image.

>>32637
There are those who have read it from start to finish and disagree.

Obviously, the people who do agree are just stubborn goats who don't deserve to be graced with Ryu-sama's work. They should be grateful they were granted that.

>>32640
I, for one, welcome my goat overlords.

Really, why is Beatrice a beautiful character, then? Maybe rather than spew nonsense you could argument your opinion.

>>32641
As someone who played puppet with Beatrice's remains and tarnished her heart, I'm not the one to answer that. The blood is still on my hands. But that was just a misguided expression of my love for her beauty.

Beatrice is a masterfully accurate depiction of the realities of a maiden's heart, which I understand completely. Any explanation falls short of its splendor. One must see for themselves.

>>32642
... And how can you understand a maiden's heart without being a maiden?

>>32643
Obviously, we are pure girls at heart! Me, and Ryukishi, Kinjo, all of us!

Our shallow exterior forms, our boxes, disgrace the fathoms. Much like Beatrice.

>>32638
I never said for people to stop enjoying things, I merely said Madoka is overrated and their fans spam it everywhere like it's the best thing ever, DEEP, etc.

>>32639
I can blame part of it for being sick and falling asleep shortly after midnight I guess.


As for Umineko, I enjoyed it and the ride up until about Episode 7.

>Beatrice is a masterfully accurate depiction of the realities of a maiden's heart
Okay, I know you're just trolling, but really...~?

>>32644
You call your hairy legs, your ding-a-ling-dong, large feet with yellow-crusted toenails, your bony fingers and neckbearded heads "maidens"? Well, to each their own.

>>32646
Sorry, but I'm not trolling. That was never my intention. These are realities I lay bare, unashamed.

>>32645
People did the same thing for Haruhi, Code Geass (well, that might have been a different reason), Gurren Lagann, etc. It's all in the eye of the beholder as to whether or not it's overrated or deserves it or what not, so I say let everyone have their day in the sun.

>>32648
I think this is pretty much the perfect response to that.

>>32647
My toenails aren't yellow-crusted, and my neck isn't bearded. But even if they were, that wouldn't be the final truth of me. I am not my body. I am the heart, the consciousness, that simply has the misfortune of lying there.

>>32649
Haruhi I agree with being overrated, Code Geass I enjoyed and never really saw it as overrated though there were some pretty wat plot moments a lot of the time, Gurren Lagann is just a tad bit overrated, but still pretty good and the show is pretty much a homage to the mecha series as a whole.

>>32651
I'm a pretty, pretty girl.
I'm a pretty, pretty girl.
I'm a pretty, pretty girl.
I'm a pretty, pretty girl.
I'm a pretty, pretty girl.
I'm a pretty, pretty girl.
I'm a pretty, pretty girl.

>>32650
Laugh if you will. I welcome it! What would a lewd male who preys on poor girls understand?

>>32651
Of course, of course.

Also, I have a 33% off coupon for Valve games lying around I won't do anything with. If anyone wants it, holler.

>>32652
I think all three are better than Madoka, at least.

>>32656
I decided to craft my coal yesterday, and ended up getting a 50% valve coupon on top of the 33% one I already had. Then I noticed valve's announcement they pretty much ran out of anything except valve coupons for gifts.

>>32652

>>32657
Oh, without a doubt.

>>32651
Say, did you know? The separation of the mind and body is completely artificial and unnatural. Your emotions, your thought processes, your memories, and your behavior are all influenced by chemicals produced throughout the body, and indeed, by the substances you introduce to your body! The "you" as it were could not exist without your body, as it wouldn't be the same "you."

...Well, at least that's one way to look at it~

>>32652
An ending can do a lot to redeem or condemn a series in my eyes. Some people like the journey more than the end, but a lot of how I feel about a series will be shaped by the ending. I guess what I'm saying is that even though I'll never rate Madoka as one of my favorite anime, the ending has somewhat redeemed it for me.

>>32661
The ending redeemed Madoka? For you? You're the last person who I thought would be saying that.

>>32662
I thought I said I liked happy endings.

>>32661
I look at it the same way. But that still isn't the whole truth. The arrangement of chemicals creates the heart that is me, and that arrangement does not depend on the shallow impressions by form only gives in the exterior. I could be stripped of all my skin and still be the same. I could lose my hairy legs in a tragic accident, I don't believe my consciousness would be significantly altered!

Why can't my central nervous system be that of a pure maiden? The idea of equality between sexes rests on this kind of reasoning!

>>32661

>>32663
So just the ending redeemed the anime as a whole for you?

>>32664
Your last line seems to say you don't believe in the philosophy of "different yet equal"~

As for the rest, that depends on what you describe as "you." Wouldn't you be changed by having different experiences and different memories, which would certainly occur if you lost your skin, or your legs? I could go on but I think I'll refrain from it, as the whole things encompasses a bunch of ideas and questions that I don't really have a definite answer to. All that thinking makes my head hurt.

>>32666
I at least don't feel any need to attack it or its fanbase. Though I have my moments of weakness there.

>>32667
>I at least don't feel any need to attack it
>I at least don't feel any need to attack it
>I at least don't feel any need to attack it

Leave Umineko alone too please and thank you.

>>32667
Different yet equal is nonsense. How can that be measured, how can these differences possibly balance out to equality in a flawless manner? Game balance is difficult, and never complete.

Of course, I believe I am a different person in every conceivable moment, but the difference is slight. People recognize the similarities between the countless iterations of me for convenience. I don't believe the people who know of my mind would perceive it as changed any more than the gradual changes that go inconceived in the process, which they only realize when they compare a distant me from memory to the me of the present, which was only arrived at through a process of iteration.

Couldn't a pure maiden, with plastic surgery, reach a vastly different exterior impression, when what is observed by others as the heart remains relatively unfazed? Or rather, wouldn't it if they could look past the bias impressions they form not from reality of the self, but from associations with bodily appearance? And they can do that exactly, easily, readily. Through the internet. Or through a novel where inclusion of the physical form is only passing and in the shape of a simply drawn avatar.

>>32668
Didn't that "attack" occur when I was asked my opinion on it~?

In any case, I've stepped off on hating Umineko in general after reading episode 8. I still hold the same feelings for Yasu, though.

Ehehe, that last level was so tough! Good job though Feenie, and wow is that addicting~

>>32579
No I understand all that! The robot thing is impossible and suicide is somewhat macabre. That's why I tried to go the ego killing path, so you could adapt to anything, ne.

>>32671
Had to stick together there at the end. I think you actually fight the mothership on insane. But yeah, good job.

>>32672
I was actually let down a bit, since I thought for sure we'd fight it like in the end of the first one. And oh god, those freaking huge hectors and the wasps were annoying as all hell! It sucked too when that Kicker guy kept kicking the bucket.

Some other time we can try out the class that friggin' flies, maybe that will be neat~

>>32669
In that case nothing can be equal, because we are by necessity all different~ Not that it's as relevant as you seem to make it.

Unfortunately, I have somewhere I need to be, so I cannot continue this discussion at the moment.

>>32630

>>32673
Or maybe the mothership is DLC trolololo. Kicker actually made me miss Cyrus. Goddamn

>>32674
>In that case nothing can be equal, because we are by necessity all different~
I believe that. I'm not even equal to the me from a second ago. It is also my opinion that this is the important part - difference between individuals is greater than anything inherent difference between sexes. So you see, it's not difficult for my heart to be that of a maiden.

We treat each other as equals for convenience and avoidance of conflict simply because we cannot draw the line. There is no way the line can be drawn. There are so many variables involved we may as well say that we're roughly equal. Even in the clear-cut of humans who are so unintelligent they are below lesser animals, who we do not treat as equals, that assumes intelligence as a subjective goal. Even those of with intelligence are not actually going anywhere, and their lives have the same purpose and meaning as dust.

But that's a story for another day, or never. Goodbye, even though I'm sure you've already left.

>>32675
?

>>32678
I knew Lili didn't liked Umineko at all, but these words were too harsh.

>>32679
It's not just Lili, either. I try not to think about it.

I think the first time she revealed she'd only read some of episode 1 and that's all, I just thought she was kidding around. How naive.

>>32676
Stupid DLC. Cyrus was a bro, but Kicker was havoc cannon fodder. I also liked the pilot, he was pretty funny~

>>32677
Piece, with a heart of a maiden? Surely you jest.

>>32680
I thought the same at the start, but then I remember her strict policy about pirating stufff.
That's okay, but to judge Umineko for that terrible adaptation ...

>>32681
I surely do. I said I wasn't trolling, I never said I was serious.

Hello everyone~

>>32682
Not only that, but even if you decide it to give a chance, the anime has already spoiled half the fun for you, without ever letting you enjoy yourself. You can't be swept away, unknowing where you'll end up, into Beatrice's clutches in episode 3. Or anything like that. You can't behold Umineko's true wonder.

>>32680
I read all of episode 1.

>>32682
You've opened my eyes, otouto-sama, please teach this wayward onee-san of yours how to enjoy Umineko.

>>32686
You have. But back then, hadn't you only read a portion?

If not, it doesn't make much of a difference.

>>32686
I am not saying you should love it, not even liking it. I am not trying to force my opinion on this matter to anyone.

So anon-kun can make someone listen so simply, when I can't no matter how much I try?

...is it wrong to force my opinion on others? Even though I'm right?

>>32689
Anon-tan is a precious friend of mine, whereas you're just a troll to me.

>>32689
yes

>>32690

>>32692
If you want to be my friend you should just say so.

>>32689
Don't worry a thing Piece, I am not good at changing people perspectives either.
It's part of the human nature to try to protect one morals and beliefs, even if they are sometimes based in prejudice or lack of interest.

>>32693
Well, I don't know. I never tell people I want to be their friends. That's strange. I just assume we are friends once we get along well enough. If not, then we aren't friends yet. Of course, I wasn't really assuming you were my friend.

>>32695
tsun

>>32689
>...is it wrong to force my opinion on others? Even though I'm right?

Sometimes it's wrong, even if you're right. If a person doesn't want your opinion, even if you're right, then it'll be better for you forget about the subject X. That person one day will realize you were right.

>>32695
I don't think we ever got along well, or along at all, considering we never really talked. Maybe back when you were struggling with Undead Kanon, or when you were banned, but nothing much beside that.

>>32694
I did. How shameful it is to rely on some former goldengameboardian's knowledge. I didn't find it very illuminating, but it was interesting to see the various tactics Yasu used to persuade people.

I see it mostly as more evidence for the people who refuse to believe what's already under their noses. Apparently, there is someone at Animesuki who only accepted Shkanon just now, because of the confessions thing. It's beyond ridiculous.

>>32697
I just prod them occasionally. For the most part, I do forget about it. I think.

>>32699
Yes, I know. I was never under the impression that we got along well. I guess we aren't friends. But let's peacefully coexist. I do like you.

>>32701
Suuu~it yourself.

>>32702
Huh? That was supposed to be positive.

>>32700
It can't be helped Piece, some people just won't accept a thing even when is completely in front of them.
About Jan-Poo, well it can't be helped right? Kinjo was also from gg.
>>32699
Just be friendly again geez.

>>32703
I said you just had to say you wanted to be friends, you dimwit! Not even willing to say that much! What a baka.

>>32704
Yes, it can't be helped. Even with the apparent disrespect for episode 8, the problem with language all the characters have, and the usage of things that weren't funny when they were relevant half a decade ago, it just can't be helped to admire that work.

>>32705
I can't say that, it won't change the reality of how I act and how you act and how compatible or incompatible those acts are. I believe us becoming friends can't be decided like that. Well, I guess in that sense I can say that I would like to be your friend, but what I really mean to say is that want isn't the only factor.

>>32707
Of course there is! Human desire is the strongest factor. If you don't want to be friends, you can never become friends no matter how well you get along.

>>32708
Maybe. But isn't the desire to be friends only a result of how compatible people are? I was thinking that our history shows us relatively incompatible.

I can't teach you to enjoy Umineko. That's the role of the work itself. Maybe you should try reading more of it. I suggest at least up until the end of episode three. If that is too difficult to manage, or if after that you don't understand, it can't be helped.

>Human desire is the strongest factor.
I agree. Not sharing the same ideas or ideals doesn't mean you cannot respect someone's else.

>>32709
How would we be "incompatible"?

>>32710
I disagree, myself. The way to truly respect someone else's ideas and ideals is to share them. Otherwise, it is false respect.

Of course, you can disagree on some things and agree on others. But I would say you don't respect their view on the things you disagree with. You only respect the person enough to let it go.

>>32711
I don't see myself as a troll, but if you see me as a troll from my actions up to this point, then that's what matters.

Now, if you can't be friends with someone you see as just a troll because you don't tolerate the antics that led you to believe that is what they are, then that, in my mind, would make you incompatible with that person. Unless they are going to significantly change the way in which they behave. Which I doubt I will.

That's a way in which we could be incompatible.

>>32700
Don't even tell me about fan game! I'm trying to do my gameboard since.... Since ever! Oh gosh...

I hate myself for being such a lazy b***h!

>>32713
That only holds if you assume I wasn't calling you a troll just to pick on you.

>>32712
Is that so? Well, what I mean is than there are things that are subjective enough that you don't need for everyone to share the same mindset with you. For example it would be kinda difficult to accept the thought than selfish murder, kidnaping or mug to be acceptable. However that's completely different to argue about what's the best topping for a pizza (yes, remember seacats is fate stay/night general).
What I mean is than you don't have to completely share someone ideals, to find such a person would be your soulmate.
I consider you a precious friend as well, yet I don't share a lot of thoughts or tastes with you. Am I not a friend to you because of that?

>>32715
Well then, if that's the case, that's something that could conceivably make us compatible. You bully.

>>32714
You aren't alone. I once ruined a game I played with Lili because I was so lazy.

>>32714
It's okay, making a gameboard it's a lot of work, even if you already understand how onscripter works.

>>32717
So, it seems we are sons of Belphegor. *giggle*

Also, talking about GG... I was trying to access it other day, but it seems that went down. Am I right? If yes, what happened?

>>32716
I consider you a friend. And a close one at that, considering online friends are all I have. However, the person whose opinion on the truth I respect most is none other than me. Because I share every one of those opinions. But it's unentertaining to only communicate with myself, whom I know fully.

I think therefore, a condition of having a friend is that you disrespect that person's views to some degree. Because they're different. And that's what makes it entertaining. Of course, the views you actually do respect, the views that you share, are a major part of what makes you friends. It's refreshing to see people who aren't you who see the world, to some degree, in the way you do - because you believe the way you see the world is the truth of things, otherwise you would not believe it at all.

>>32719
I've no clue. But I hope it stays down.

>>32718
Oh, no, Anon-kun. That's not it. Yes, can be difficult do a fan-episode... However I am lazy. Sloth is one of my negative points, unfortunatly.
I can study ONS, I can study other scripts and how each effect works. However I'll never finish my own fan game, because I always think "I can do this later". And then "later" never arrives.
It's depressing, it's bad, it's wrong.

I try, try and try... But it never works.

Well... One day I'll manage a way to get rid off my sloth and finally do a gameboard!

>>32719
since the creator of the site abandoned it, paying for it was placed in the hands of second in command. Evidently, second in command did not know how to do this and the board was deleted when it was not payed for.

>>32722
I understand completely. I'm sure most of us do. We probably all have something a part of ourselves feel we ought to be doing right now, instead of posting here.

>>32723
Hilarious.

>>32723
Not only that, but wasn't one of the members of that board whom even Kinjo and I think Meta came to dislike, one who was taking over, so to speak?

>>32724
I should be packing instead of lurking.

>>32725
It does kind of irritate me that certain people poured money into the "bonus" features for ib4f and then super-admin shut it down without a word to anyone. I guess that's just how some people are.

>>32720
>However, the person whose opinion on the truth I respect most is none other than me.
Interesting way of saying it, but yeah to some degree humans need to be a bit selfish to survive. And I also agree than it's good to find people whom you share things with. But what have I learned it's than sometimes, even with strong dissagres there are some things that can make up for that. Who knows, maybe I am way too normalfag for my own good.
Anyways, I think you may have hurt Lili with your words, and it's not entirely your fault, you are used to communicate in a way she may find agressive. But it's not excuse to ignore it, so please be nice with her, I believe she was honestly trying to become your friend.
>>32724
Yeah, I should be cleaning my house, but it's okay I still have some time.
>>32722
Procastination is surely a terrible thing, not that I can beat it either.
>>32727
Super lazy huh~

>>32717
"Bawwwww I want Meta". Homoluster.

>>32720
>considering online friends are all I have.
Oh geez, you've Friend-kun right.

>>32726
Yeah, that's how the site became dead and people stopped visiting. Nothing was really posted after that until it went down.