>>8823
Repeat it in red, In this game only one person is capable of murder!

And to counterattack: One of the victims (willingly or unwillingly) acted as an accomplice! This person was the last to lock the door!

>>8824
In this game only one person is capable of murder!

>>8824
There is one culprit, there are no accomplice

I was going to give this a try since Rudolf-san's game is dead at the moment, but I can't seem to get the download to work? When I type 'SEACATS' for the password, it says that the security code is incorrect...

>>8827
Never mind, didn't notice the "prove you're a human" device underneath the password entry because my mind filters out all random pictures in the middle of web pages under the assumption that they're adverts.

>>8827
Well, usually this kind of games would be difficult to newcomers, but I designed this game so that everyone can play~

I am pretty sure you will have a different perspective
as someone neutral~

Time to give this a shot.

First off, you have already confirmed the deaths of Lion, Cirno, Genji, Kakera, John, Anon, Astaroth, Lili, Hide, Kinjo, Ozaki, Rosa, Rudolf, Eriko, Poirot, Ryuga, Makk and Chen in red.

Furthermore, you have confirmed that neither George nor Gogo is the culprit.

In addition, during this post:
>>8795
You have confirmed that the culprit is male, which eliminates Knox, Rin and Bernkastel.

(Assuming that I'm correct about the characters' genders...it's hard to tell with some of them.)

This only leaves six suspects: Lambda, Feenie, Cake, Meta, Squitcher, and Piece.

Since there are no accomplices, it is difficult to imagine that Lambda, Meta, Feenie or Cake could have faked their deaths, since their corpses were examined by Kinjo and Ozaki who are said to be experienced with autopsies. Furthermore, 22 people are dead by the time of Ozaki and Rosa's murders, which makes a faked death even more impossible.

So if there is no flaw in my reasoning, we are left with only two suspects: Squitcher and Piece. It is probably safe to proceed under the assumption that one of them is the culprit.

Now for the howdunnits.

The first twilight: Firstly, we have a strange set of reds here.

The culprit locked the door with his hands, but the last time the door to /teaparty/ was locked it was by one of the victims.

In other words, the culprit locked the door, but it was then unlocked again for some reason, before one of the victims re-locked it.

This seems very strange because the culprit locked the door from the inside so that none of the victims could escape. If the culprit were to then unlock the door before killing the victims, it would defeat the purpose. So that means one of the victims unlocked the door. The culprit then left the room, and one of the victims locked the door again. Then the victims died.

Also, it is impossible to lock the door to /teaparty/ from the inside and escape from the room without using the door! So the culprit most certainly left through the door.

Considering this information, here is my blue truth for this twilight.

The culprit entered /teaparty/, locked the door from the inside, and mortally wounded the victims using ice knives.

Thinking that he had killed the victims, he unlocked the door from inside and left.

However, at least one of them was not quite dead yet, and with the last of their strength, they re-locked the door to make sure that the culprit couldn't come back to finish them off.

Unfortunately, their wounds were grievous, and the surviving victim(s) finally died some time after locking the door.

I doubt this is the right answer, since it fails to account for the white stains on the rug and the smell of chlorine, but it should get us some new information.

The second twilight: Nobody has attempted this one yet, so we don't really have any red to go on. But since we know that the chains in /seacats/ are set incorrectly, it isn't difficult to solve this. The culprit was able to enter and leave the room while the chain was set. The locked door separating the two parts of the guest room is meaningless since the culprit could have taken the key from whichever of the victims had it. No mention was made of the corpses being searched for keys.

Fourth twilight: Okay, this one is interesting. The insects were not interested in Lion's 'corpse', so I'm led to believe that Lion was not actually dead when he was discovered. It has been said in red that Lion was dead by the time of the fifth twilight. But he was supposed to have died on the fourth twilight, so he could have been alive at the time he was discovered, and then died later, possibly due to his illness; he said he felt ill while George was making the announcement on /gameboard/ before the discovery of the first twilight.

I know he isn't an accomplice, but he could have faked his death in order to get away from the group and track down the culprit himself, or for some other reason X. This would also explain the closed room; if Lion was alive, he could have locked the door from the inside himself.

Fifth twilight: Again, the culprit could enter and leave while the chain was set, so this isn't even a closed room.

The sixth and eighth twilights are already solved.

Seventh twilight: I'm pretty stumped by this one, since all the suspects have a clear alibi...I'll have to try rereading this part later. I wish this thing had a scene skip feature...

Ninth twilight: We know nothing about this, so we can't really solve it unless we're given some information. It was a fantasy scene, so we don't even have confirmation that any of the five survivors were actually killed.

>>8830
The Ice knives are decoration for the murders, the reason they were there was to frame Meta

The door to /teaparty/ was opened 3 times
1- When the culprit locked the door so that he could commit murders
2- When It was opened by George to discover the corpses
3-When everyone left to protect the corpses

The culprit was able to enter and leave the room while the chain was set. The locked door separating the two parts of the guest room is meaningless since the culprit could have taken the key from whichever of the victims had it. No mention was made of the corpses being searched for keys.


About the chains, the badly designed chains are just for the sixth and eight twilight.

About my Piece counterpart (Lion)Illness was the final nail to his coffin

About the Seventh Twilight, You can press the button of Ctrl so you can skip~

The ninth twilight is being reserved for the second phase,The who dunnit, we are currently in the first phase, the How dunnit

>>8831
So, is the fourth twilight solved? You only responded to part of it. Lion wasn't dead when he was discovered, and he locked the kitchen from the inside. Confirm or deny this, please.

I'm confused about your wording regarding the first twilight. Are you saying that the door was opened three times, or locked three times? Your list seems to imply both. 1 and 3 refer to points at which the door was locked, while 2 refers to a point at which it was opened. I can't reason based on this red until you give me a clearer idea of what it means. Do you mean that the door was only locked once before the discovery of the corpses? Because your previous red makes this impossible.

>>8832

It was opened and locked once before the murders.

>>8833
By 'the murders', you are referring to the time at which the ten were attacked, but it was still possible for one or more of them to take action after 'the murders' took place and before they died.

>>8834
remember that the culprit restrained them, so it was impossible for them to move

>>8835
If you are saying that the victims were unable to move after the murders were committed, then we have a problem.

>>8799
The culprit locked the door from the inside to stop the victims from escaping.

>>8823
The last time the door to /teaparty/ was locked, it was by one of the victims.

>>8835
It was impossible for the victims to move after the murders.

In other words, the door was locked twice before the murders - once by the culprit, and then again by one of the victims.

>>8833
But you have said that the door was locked once before the murders.

So the door was locked once before the murders and the door was locked twice before the murders.

Is this not a logic error?

>>8837
It isn't, think about it~

>>8838
I will define move:
moving from a place to another place or doing stuff with the legs and arms.

>>8839
One of the victims had their hand on the doorknob and unlocked the door, but were attacked and rendered immobile before they could actually open the door. After the murders were committed and the culprit had left through some other means, this victim was able to lock the door with their hand without moving their arms or legs. The victim died some time afterwards.

As for how the culprit escaped...for now I'll go with the possibility that the windows could have been locked from the outside.

>>8840
the first blue paragraph is correct


The culprit didn't need to use the windows to escape

>>8841
Oh, right, of course.

The culprit simply left through the door after the victim unlocked it.

>>8842
The culprit didn't need to leave when the victim unlocked the door

>>8843
After the murders were committed, the culprit unlocked the door, opened it, and left.

One of the victims then locked the door with their hand before dying.

>>8844

The last one to die was Eriko, and he didn't saw the culprit leaving

>>8845
That doesn't deny anything.

Just because Eriko died last doesn't necessarily mean that he was the one to lock the door.

>>8846

I guess I can't fight back, congratulations Rika, you solved the first twilight

>>8847
<Good>! I'll start seriously looking into the second twilight some time tomorrow when I will be able to reread the relevant part of the VN, but for now I want to clear up this matter.

The closed room of the second twilight was set up by either Meta or Lambda, who faked their death.

>>8849
By the end of the second twilight Meta,Lambdadelta, Gogo and Rin are dead.

>>8850
One of them constructed the closed room from the inside after the culprit left, and then died afterwards.

>>8851

The culprit entered the room to kill the victims and left the room when everyone died

>>8852
Hmm...could I have a map of this room, or are only the victims allowed to request that?

For the sake of gathering more information, I'll propose that the culprit left through a window.

>>8853
It was imposible to leave from the window

>>8854
The victims did not die until after Kinjo and the others entered the room with the chain cutter. The culprit was hiding in the room until this time, and then left after the victims had died and the discoverers had left the scene. In this way, the culprit was able to leave through the door without worrying about the chain.

>>8855
>>8729

all the rooms looks like this one

>>8856
So...what about my blue?

There are plenty of places that one could hide on that map.

Hm... Alright, I'm willing to give this a shot. (Please excuse the mistakes, I had a bit of trouble understanding some of the novel/I might've accidentally missed some of the red truths stated earlier.)

I won't bother with the Twilights already solved, obviously.

[Second Twilight]
While the theory with the culprit simply hiding in the room does make sense, there are other ways to look at this:

The chain was never set on the front door to begin with. After all, our POV was never once subjective during this time, instead, we were *told* it had to be cut by Kinjo. So, by the extension of that it would be possible for Kinjo to be an accomplice... However, you said there aren't any... Hm... So I can scratch that off the list, I suppose. Of course, this would be possible to the extent that there did not exist a chain on the front door, but on the intertwining door, instead. This way, neither Kinzo or Ozaki are actually lying when they said they had to cut the chain, no? A small chance, (not to mention, I'm having a bit of trouble visualizing how the actual trick would work, but still).
(Actually do have other things, but since no shotgunning is allowed....)

Also, unless I'm missing something here, "Lion's supposed death Twilight" was the Third Twilight, no? Or do you count all those individually? Oh, well. Going to go by how RIKA chose to call this Twilight.

[Fifth (?) Twilight]
At least one of the victims of this twilight wasn't dead by the time the bodies were discovered. The surviving person set the chain. The surviving person was killed sometime after, most likely, assuming that it wasn't the culprit himself. Ngh... Have other stuff, too, but...
Simple enough, I imagine. (Unless, as I stress, I missed something).

[Seventh Twilight]
They were killed by a trap of some kind. Simple enough, I know. I am finding it suspcious as to why you chose to present their "conversation" in the first place, when a simple "they screamed" could've done just as well.

[Culprit] (Aware that this isn't really to be gone into, but throwing my thoughts out there, anyway, considering this might perhaps be crucial to the seventh twilight. Don't answer to this if you don't feel like it.)
You have still to confirm certain people's deaths, so it's still possible that the culprit was able to fake his death at some point. The alternative, however, would be much more devious:
The culprit has a split personality. So... Yasu thing, I suppose. By stating that a certain person is 'dead', you could easily just be referring to their dead 'counterpart', especially when there were times we actually saw the corpses being exammined first-hand. ...Naturally, this would make it quite a bit difficult to try and actually pin down who the culprit was, because we have like 10 people to choose from right from the get-go, but there's a slim chance you might be wanting us to try and deduce that from a possible whydunnit?
Anyway, there's a possibility of impersonations or such, but that doesn't really matter that much, because, well, in the end, a person is a person. After all, even if, for example, Meta or Piece somehow switched places, wouldn't exactly matter considering how we've *seen* the supposed 'Piece' in a room he shouldn't have been out of anyway... And, considering there are no accomplices... Hm... (Also, yes, I am aware that the actual 'Whodunnit' portion of the game doesn't start until later, however, it might be necessary to understand how this twilight went down... Oh. Actually...)

Just to clarify, when you say 'there is only one culprit' you are referring to one physical body, yes?

Anyway, that's all I have at the moment, really. Again, I apologize for the possible... obvious mistakes, but, as I've stated earlier, I did have a bit of trouble understanding what exactly went down at certain Twilights.

>>8858
The third twilight is just the "Praise my name" thing, so no murders happen there. Umineko EP1 had a letter arrive at the third twilight, but all other episodes just skipped over it and went straight from the second to the fourth. Most fangames, including this one, do the same.

A trap for the seventh twilight doesn't fully solve it, since there is still the matter of the letter discovered at the scene. And the culprit left the letter after killing Makk and Chen.

I would consider it quite a dirty move to use a wordplay trick regarding personality death in a situation where it isn't hinted at within the text - and as far as I can tell, it isn't. I can't deny the possibility, but I would hope that the Game Master is better than that...Introducing a 'no shotgunning' rule implies that the truth is to be reached through deduction from the text rather than blind guessing, although I have to admit that the solutions so far haven't really been deducible without firing off a few blues first. But I would be disappointed if there was a wordplay trick involved here.

>>8859
Oh, also, regarding Piece, even though the theory that he and Meta switch places doesn't really solve much, there is definitely something strange going on with him.

When Cirno first meets him, she says that she hadn't seen him around the mansion at all up until then...and then Eriko couldn't find him anywhere when she searched the whole mansion later.

>>8859
Letter... discovered at the scene? Huh? I've re-read the part of the novel and there's no such thing mention, as far as I'm seeing... There's one left in the admin room, but in all honesty, he could've easily left it while they were all gathered in it, and people simply did not notice. ...And, if you're asking how that could be done while the two were supposedly alive, the simple answer would be that the voices heard were actually recordings of some kind. The victims were already dead by the point the "scream" was heard. Hence when it says "the culprit planted the letter after they were dead", it would be possible for it to be done in this time, I suppose. The answer to this would be they simply didn't notice it until a later point in time. (Granted, the matter of who set up the actual recording would be a problem... Perhaps Squitcher simply rewinded the tape of the trap being released?)

...Though, in all honesty, yeah - I still don't really see where the supposed letter found on them was... Am I missing something here?

>>8861
Oh, I got confused about the seventh twilight...Because of that red regarding the letter being placed after Makk and Chen's death, I assumed that a letter had been placed right after their death, and therefore that there must have been a letter near their corpses. I really should have reread the novel to ascertain that.

I guess a trap does work for that, then.

>>8857


I know where you are going.....


No person could have hide in that Room people would have inmediatly noticed them


>>8858
I thought I said I wont answer anything regarding the culprit since It isn't time yet

There is a chain in the room of the second Twilight[/r

By the time the fourth twilight ended, and when the bodies were discovered, Cirno and Lion were dead.

No traps are used

They died after the screams were heard in the seventh Twilight.

>>8863
The culprit of the second twilight was already inside the room when the bodies were discovered, but rather than hiding, they made it appear as if they had entered the room along with everyone else.

For the fourth twilight, the order of events goes like this.

The culprit killed Cirno and attacked Lion.
The culprit left the room.
Lion locked the door from the inside.
Lion then died of his illness.
The bodies were discovered after this.

>>8863
I think you made a little bit of a misunderstanding here.
The blues for what I specified as "[Fifth (?) Twilight] was following how Rika decided to classify it as (as I mentioned earlier I believe.) So the blues were about the twilight with Feenie.

>>8864
The culprit of the second twilight was already inside the room when the bodies were discovered, but rather than hiding, they made it appear as if they had entered the room along with everyone else.

For the fourth twilight, the order of events goes like this.

Lion died before Cirno. Cirno was killed last

>>8868
So the second twilight is solved?

For the fourth twilight, if that's all you can deny, then I just have to modify the blue slightly.

The culprit attacked Cirno and Lion.
The culprit left the room.
Lion locked the door from the inside.
Lion then died of his illness.
Cirno died of her wounds after this.
The bodies were then discovered later.

Everything is settled....and to make it a fair play......

Wordplay is involved in one of the murders
4th Twilight 7th Twilight and 9th twilight have hints over the culprit......

Now the second phase shall start.....I hope you find Mephistopheles's true identity~

>>8870
In other words we can make whodunit theories now?

>>8872
Yup, and the answer will be revealed in one of my streams~

>>8870
So what kind of theories are we allowed to post? Are we able to propose theories for the who-dunnit even if we haven't reached solutions for the fifth and seventh twilights yet?

I have a fairly good idea of who the culprit is, and I can present several clues that have led me to this, but without any red to work with I wouldn't be able to explain how this person would have committed the fifth and seventh twilights at this point. Is an incomplete theory such as this permissible?

>>8880
Anything is allowed...

As I said, there is wordplay in one of the murders....

>>8881
First theory. The culprit is Piece. He was acting suspiciously at the beginning, nowhere to be found when Eriko was looking for him and not having been seen by Cirno until he arrived at /teaparty/. Black Battler kept being mistaken for Piece and he even said that he was okay with being called Piece at several points. Also, there was no mention of Piece entering Meta's room but he suddenly spoke while the others were discussing the corpses, which fits the method for the second twilight. And Feenie insulted Black Battler by saying that he looked the same as someone else on the site.

We could also assume that Piece takes on the identity of Black Battler when committing the murders so that might be able to get around some of the reds somehow.

>>8882

After the first murders,George and Piece didnt separate from each other therefore making impossible for Piece to do all that. George is innocent

Finally After Six months, The answer will be finally revealed.

Tonight at my stream at 8:00 board time.