>>7694
That was me, of course. Those silly goats really should stop posting my messages for me.

>>7694
Of course, since there's the possibility that Genji lied about seeing her, it can work.
But even if it could work for the 1st Twilight's howdunnit. The whydunnit feels pretty weak for me, especialy considering Genji's personnality.

For the phonecall, the person on the other end doesn't really seem to be giving orders, just information, so I think it is possible for another servant on the same level as Manon's to be calling.

There is one thing that really seems weird to me. Manon mentions that she went upstairs at 3:00 am because she heard a weird noise, which supposedly is the trap failing to work.
And at that time Kinjo saw the infamous "black-haired maid" going downstairs after having apparently with a drunk Eva.
The question is : If it was Manon then, why didn't she mention it ?

If that was because she was the culprit : Why even mention at all that she went upstairs ?
And what does the fact that she talked with Eva would have to be kept secret ?

And if it is really Ruon, wouldn't Manon have seen her then ?

It's always interesting to see the theories people make.

Getting to see which parts were solved instantly, to the ones ever hidden in the shadows.

Hell, it's essentially feedback for the mysteries themselves.

>>7697 So we did find something ?

>>7698
Maybe, maybe not.

>>7698
I suggest you to continue mindstorming.

>>7700
you mean "brainstorming"

>>7700
Hmmm. anon-kun has a point, we haven't really touched upon the why of this game in any real depth yet.

going back to his hint to Kinjo, it's pretty obvious that the murders during Kinjo's stay are linked directly to George's death.

This, however, does not mean that they are revenge for his death. If they were, why kill Eva and Hideyoshi, his parents? What does anyone stand to gain as a result of their deaths?

Eva's confirmed to be nothing but a shell of her former self after George's murder, so unless I'm missing a hint at some terrible deed she's committed, I can't think of a motive for her.

Looking at Hideyoshi, however, it's a lot easier to think of a reason for his murder. He was actively pursuing the truth behind his son's death. This is the only reason I can think of for his murder.

Moving on to Krauss. One could argue that a sibling might want to kill him due to him being the family head, but what would that gain? He's already divided up the inheritance. No, there's no monetary reason behind his murder. However, he did divulge details about George's and Yasu's deaths to Kinjo.

Kyrie, Natsuhi, and Genji confuse me a little, but Rudolf's murder, or rather, Kinjo's attempted murder, is of particular interest to me. Had the trap worked initially, Kinjo would have been the first victim. In other words, he was the killer's first target.

Furthermore, Hideyoshi, Eva and Krauss were all killed shortly after talking to Kinjo about George's murder. My conclusion regarding the whydunnit should be obvious by now, but to back it up a little more, I'll use this section of anon-kun's hint

>Temptation is all that is left after the shadow is laid, so firmly placed that not even those closest to it can lift it. That is, until a snowflake falls, it brings tides of something well-known to the world. The wind blows, as the shadow begins to rip. Never will this happen; the container of the snow needs to be tampered. Searching the world reveals the trickery.

By my understanding, the 'shadow' is the mystery regarding George's death. For some reason, the culprit cannot be identified by those close to the incident. The 'snowflake', or at least I think, refers to Kinjo, the detective, well known to the family in both his name (Goldbar was a name recognized by both Krass and Hideyoshi, I believe) and his role (I doubt anyone has forgotten the antics of the last detective on the island.)

The next few lines are a bit harder. As a result of Kinjo's presence, the mystery is at risk of being shattered, hence the murders. I believe that the culprit is trying to prevent the truth of the event 3 years ago from coming to light, which makes sense considering the first few attacks.

So, if this is the why, then here's the million-dollar question. Who would want to hide the truth of that day? Obviously, the culprit, but that doesn't really get us anywhere. I feel like until we get further regarding George's murder, we might have a bit of trouble figuring out the why of this game.

>>7701
it was early ok

>>7702
Feel free to continue arguing about it. It could take some time to Ozaki to finish the VN.

>>7704
Well, I'd love to, but I'm really completely stumped at this point.

If the culprit is one of the characters in the story, it's Ruon or Manon. But there's still no way for them to commit several of the murders, and no apparent motive either.

An unknown character being the culprit seems more likely, but there simply don't seem to be any hints for it. Everyone who's mentioned in the story that isn't on the island has been confirmed dead...except for Nanjo, but Anon said that was wrong anyway.

So, I'm really not sure where to go at this point. However I keep flipping the chessboard, I'm not finding any satisfying arrangement. Does anyone else have any ideas?

>>7705
>But there's still no way
If you loophole enough, there's a way for every damn character to be the evil culprit. Remember the boat guy? His real name is Kyrie.
Alright, that was a terrible example, but I guess it works.

Battler looks confused. "Wait.. So you are saying everybody is saying that no one left besides Natsuhi, Rudolf, and Genji?" Each person nods their head in agreement.

The only loophole I can see is that every single person in there is lying...and I can't find any reason for that at all.

That, or someone somehow sneaked out and back in without anyone noticing, but there aren't any clues to that either, that I can see.

So to my surprise it's almost been a month since I announced we were converting Repercussion into a visual novel.

I was on a 3 week vacation so there wasn't much time to work on it.

However I'd say that is rather long to go without an update:
I'm about halfway done editing the all the text, which happens to be the majority of the project. After that is done we just need to put all the pieces together(music, images, code, etc). Kinjo says that part shouldn't take very long at all.

So for the few people who followed the game, you can expect the VN version as well as the answer before the end of July.

>>7926
Oh wow, that's much faster than I expected. How exciting, mi~

>>7926
Oh, that's a very good news ! Can't wait for it, shame we didn't find the sooner though, but I pretty much given up some weeks ago.

So... I was a bit optimistic about making a duedate in the first place. I was never good at keeping them.

Due to other projects as well as conflicting time tables getting in our way we are going to have to manager our time more wisely. Thus we are not going to rush the novel and because of this we will not release Repercussion until a later date.

Since I guess you could say I'm going against my word, just for you guys who read and openly theorized with the /gameboard/ version (that being Squitcher, RIKA-Beatrice, and Ouro):

I'll respond to a single blue truth regarding one of the howdunits.

That being a total of three blues. One for each of you.
Mind you when I say 'howdunit' I mean anything that would pose the question 'how'. Anyway no time limit: I know now just how busy people can get.

>>8029
Oh my, interesting...!

Very well then: Someone left the parlor during the time that Battler, Krauss and Kinjo were headed for Krauss's study!!

>>8031

From when Krauss, Battler and Kinjo left, to when they arrived at the study it was impossible to leave the room without being noticed.
Jessica, Rudolf, Kyrie, Ange, Rosa, Maria, Genji, Gohda, Ruon, Berune, and Manon all agreed to the statement: The only people who left while Krauss, Battler and Kinjo were gone was Natsuhi, Rudolf, and Genji.

>>8029
I see, I'm all waiting for it, I encourage you too to work well with this !


>>8036
Then it's my turn I do guess ? I wanted to confirm the existence of an outsider, but I had to sort this one out :
During the first night, on the first twilight, Manon disguised herself as Ruon.

>>8058
For the entirety of the game Manon never disguised herself as Ruon.

>>8036
Wait, wait, hold on. When you say that they all agreed to that statement, do you mean that they all voiced their agreement (which I already knew) or do you actually mean that they BELIEVED what they were saying?

>>8063
Hmm? Isn't that the same thing?

>>8063
Yeah, it's just what they agree on.

>>8067
So it is possible for them to all be lying about it?

In other words, nobody left the room without being noticed, but someone was noticed and convinced everyone to lie and claim that they never left.

I saw that as one of the theories a while back, and although I said you each only get one blue which would normally corresponding to one red I'll make an exception here. It would have been a decent trick to use in retrospect.

At least eight of the people who agree with that statement truly believe it as the truth.

>>8096
I see, thank you.

I wouldn't normally press for more red than I've been offered, but I had expected that you would either confirm or deny my blue, while there was some room for doubt there.

There technically still is, but I'm satisfied with this much.

So, how is progress on this, mi~?

I'm not trying to rush you or anything, I'm just curious as to where things are up to. After all, I am really excited to learn the answer, nipa~

>>8238
That's fine, its been awhile since I updated.

Progress on Repercussion has been rather good. We have been brainstorming on the different interactive parts that will be added. I won't go into detail, however I'm sure you will be please with the finished product.

Speaking of which, since you three spent some time in this thread I was thinking of release it similar to how Kinjo did for his games. Not to the extent of a red and blue battle, but after the main game is done I'd post it here and you guys can read it and give a final theory. Then afterward I can make the offical release.
Does that sound like something you would be interested in?

>>8243
Have been brainstorming*

>>8243
Interested ? Damn right I am !
I can't let the opportunity to fight disappear like that.

>>8243
That sounds <very good> to me~

Okay, so I'm trying to look through all the reds of this game, and, well, I'm stumped. What we've got so far is that Ruon and Manon were both in the guesthouse at the time of, or at least just before, Eva's murder. Genji lied about not seeing Ruon on the path the night of Eva's murder. And then we have that mess of red truth to do with who was in the parlor when Krauss died, and whether or not anyone left.

So yeah, Squitcher, Rika, unless you have anything else to go on, I'm probably going to use this to confirm that Ruon or Berune were involved in the murders. If you've got any last ideas, throw them now. Otherwise, I can use this as something to base our last theory off.

>>8247
Some kind of conspiracy involving the servants does seem likely at this point...Well, we know that at least one of them was involved in the ironing board trap, knowingly or not.

I'm not sure whether it would be better to get confirmation on whether certain characters were involved, or on whether someone existed on the island that Kinjo was unaware of.

Either way, we'll at least get some new information to work with, so go with whatever you think is best.

>>8247
>>8248
Sorry to break the fun, but there's one fundamental rule.
Blue must deny the witches. Or in this case it must be specific enough to be called a theory.

>>8249
Well, that's easy enough, isn't it?

We can just phrase it as "There was someone on the island who Kinjo wasn't aware of, and this is how Krauss and Natsuhi were murdered even though all the survivors had alibis", or "Ruon is not an accomplice, but she is a culprit and was therefore able to commit the murders", or something like that.

From when Krauss, Battler and Kinjo left, to when they arrived at the study it was impossible to leave the room without being noticed.
Jessica, Rudolf, Kyrie, Ange, Rosa, Maria, Genji, Gohda, Ruon, Berune, and Manon all agreed to the statement: The only people who left while Krauss, Battler and Kinjo were gone was Natsuhi, Rudolf, and Genji.


At least eight of the people who agree with that statement truly believe it as the truth.

I'm sorry, but this here still confuses me a little. Does this mean that if, say, the three servants didn't believe what they agreed to, it would be possible for one of them to leave? The red about being noticed doesn't specify if the person leaving would be seen by everyone, or just one person. If it turns out to be the latter case, then would it be possible for Ruon to leave, Manon to see her leave, then lie about it?

>>8249
anon-kun also forgot for these blues I gave for breaking my promise about the due date you can only make the blues about the howdunits.

>>8251
Well I'll try to explain. This isn't a game of revenge anymore after all.
For the most part yes.
If someone left the room during that time, everyone in the room would have noticed them.
Put that together with that third red, means that the majority of the people in the room truly believe that only Natsuhi, Rudolf, and Genji left the room while Kinjo's group was out to be true, however that leaves the possibility that another few don't. So yes someone could have lied.

That still remains the question, how?

The map of the first floor shows that the 'the parlor' consists of three rooms. None of them bar the main one have any exits, nor any signs of any hidden passages. But I guess it doesn't need to be that complex. Either of them could have a window.

After Kinjo, Rudolf and Krauss left the study, someone entered one of the two smaller sections of the parlor, and left via a window. They were seen leaving by someone else, and that person then lied when agreeing to the statement about who left the room.

I'd have loved to throw some names in there, but Ozaki said these had to just specify the howdunnits, and not the who.

>>8254
Replace study in my blue with parlor. It's late, and I spent way too much time trying to work that out.

>>8254
And Rudolf with Battler too I guess ?

>>8254
Correct.
After Kinjo, Battler and Krauss left the parlor, someone entered one of the two smaller sections of the parlor, and left via a window.
I won't respond to the rest.
For the record the two other rooms are a Bathroom and a Closet.

Well then, this works rather well. A good amount of questions left for the visual novel version.

I probably will forget to update in this thread. If there is any updates at all before the release then they'll most likely be posted the main web page. Link in the subject bar.

Whew. Thanks for the endless stream of chances and hints, Ozaki, it's been fun. Guess I'll see you again when the game's done and we get that final stab at the truth. I kinda want to be wrong though, we've been sitting on this Ruon culprit theory for so long it's gotten kinda boring...

Also, I hand over all making of blue truths to Rika and Squitcher. I think I've proved my incompetence enough.

>>8264
>incompetence
I think you are being hard on yourself.

Besides that was the last blue before the final version so... see you then.

>>8262
Aah, so that was it!? I didn't even think about the parlor having multiple sections...I had the layout of the original mansion in my head, so I never even thought of consulting the maps... <Good job>, Ouro!

This is really helpful, since we now know the method of murder for all cases. That means that we can stop trying to throw in an extra person and concentrate on the motives for the existing suspects.

>>8264
Well done Ouro, well done, that's something I didn't even think about, checking the maps for info in a gameboard seems so alien that it's actually a pretty solid mystery. I guess.

>>8266
Good luck with that !

Bumping this thread to remind everyone that Repercussion's VN is almost done, and we should have it ready for you guys to play by next week.

Of course it won't include the answer, so be prepared to craft some more theories! You'll have to unravel it yourself!

>>8875
I would like to add that I shall be taking your final theories individually and by email once the main game is posted. Then once they are all in, or after the allotted time passes I will post those theories and then the full game complete with answer section.

Best not to pollute ones own theory regardless of being right or wrong etc.g etc.

>>8875
>>8878
That's excellent news, I can't wait!

It will be great to have some more information to work with. I don't know if I'll reach the answer, but I'll definitely do my best. But I'm more excited to see the whole story in proper VN format than anything. Thanks to both of you for all the work you've put into this, nipa~