Come, lowly humans, show me your theories!

>>15106
Kinzo didn't die of a gunshot wound. He was poisoned and while looking out the window died from that. The gunshot was then used to draw attention to the study so they would investigate.

Or alternatively, Someone climbed a tree and shot Kinzo while he looked out of the window. The pressure from the impact on the bullet proof vest made his heart stop.

As for the culprit, lets try Gohda seeing how he was insulted by Kinzo and couldn't be found shortly after the gunshot was heard.

>>15107

Kinzo did not die of poison.

There are no trees around the mansion.

Kinzo would not get a heart attack from the impact.

Gohda is not the culprit!

And, dare I say, the mystery of the error message of the keypad still remains.

>>15108
Lets reword this a bit shall we? My theory was essentially that an object entered through the window and said object caused Kinzo to die. Whether it caused him a heart attack or if there was trees doesn't really matter.

Since you've stated "Now there was no way anyone could enter the door without typing in the correct code." it is assumed that propping open the door won't work, the same is implied if someone snuck in after the combo had been pressed by another person. However it is possible that Gohda isn't the only one to know the combo. As Kinzo said he isn't very smart.

While we are at it can we confirm that the detective can't be the culprit?

>>15106

Oo! Let me give it a try! Hmm…I don’t know when but…

Someone changed the keypad code.

As for Kinzo’s death...It's possible that the murder weapon that killed him was already inside his study before he died. So here's a theory, A gun was attach to a cook mechanical kitchen timer, timed to shoot Kinzo during the family conference. Despite him wearing a bullet proof vest, the bullet either went through the lining or missed the jacket altogether and struck him in the heart.

I think can account for the window being opened too.

Kinzo was yelling outside the window, doing his typical ‘BEAAAATORICHEEE!' scream, until he was shot.

Last edited at 14/06/01(Sun)12:12:14

>>15109
Admittedly I may have tripped myself up with the red there. Lemme clear it up before things get messy.

The propping open the door method was a viable one, and was indeed used at one point in time.

But -

No object entered through the window.

As for your second blue -

Gohda never told anyone the combo except Rudolf at the end.

>>15110
The keypad code remained the same throughout.

Kinzo's vest was infallible. If shot by a normal gun he would not die via the impact or heart attack or any other random cause.

The hole was found in the center of his chest.

Also because of the angle of the building no one could shoot Kinzo from the ground. And climbing up to the window is impossible.Therefore how could have someone shot Kinzo from the window?

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>>15112

Wait, wait, I might’ve caused some confusion with my wording so let me try to reword that, While Kinzo was standing near the window, there was a gun attach to a cook mechanical kitchen timer already placed inside his study, set to shoot him at a specific time.

>>15113

Kinzo's vest was infallible. And he was shot in the vest.

But I might as well deny it completely.

There was no such trap like you described

And here's one more for you.

When the others discovered the body, there was no gun left in the room.

>>15114

Hmm...Let’s see...Kinzo was shot in the vest...there was no gun left in the room. Couldn't that mean that culprit attempted to shoot Kinzo perhaps from a distances exceeding detection capabilities? Maybe outside the room? Through a window? Likely with a sniper? I did hear that most rifle rounds are capable of penetrating bullet vests. Lemme try this,

The culprit shot Kinzo with a sniper rifle from a concealed place, outside Kinzo's study.

>>15115

Actually, I denied that earlier.

>>15111

No object entered through the window.

Try looking at it from a different angle.

>>15116

Maybe the wide open window was just a red herring… Okay let me try this theory.

Kinzo unknowingly opened the door for the culprit, probably assuming it was one of his servants. This then gave the culprit a clear shot in shooting Kinzo. Once the culprit shot Kinzo, the culprit then opened the window for a cover up, and then fled the scene, closing the door behind them before Genji ran up the stairs and seen the door closed.

Last edited at 14/06/01(Sun)21:08:55

kuku...

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That's a fine theory indeed, a very logical one, but you've forgot just one minor thing.

The whole time between the gunshot and the body's discovery, no one could exited through the door.

Genji was running up and down the whole time , wasn't he? He didn't see anyone. No one was in the corridor or in the stairs during the time period previously mentioned above.

Furthermore, Genji saw all the siblings plus Gohda in the parlor after discovering the door was closed.

Oh, and before you try it...

Jumping out the window would result in certain death.

Sure, it was easy to get in. But how would the culprit get out?

>>15109

Whoops, forgot to deny you.

Genji is not the culprit.

>>15118

Maybe..

The culprit never left Kinzo's study to begin with. The culprit hid somewhere in the room.

Hmm...If that's the case, I think I should at least say where.

The culprit is hiding under the bed or in the closet.

Probably not.

The culprit is hiding in the ceiling.

I don't think so...OOo! Here's a new hiding spot I think Beatrice didn't say!

The culprit is hiding in the plate armour.

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Smashing this blue is easy!

Genji saw all the siblings plus Gohda in the parlor after discovering the door was closed.

And the culprit is among these people!

How could someone be in the parlor and hiding in the study at the same time?!

>>15121

Okay, let's backtrack then.

When Genji went back downstairs, looking for Gohda in the kitchen, that's when the culprit fled the scene, closing the door as they exited Kinzo's study, giving the culprit enough time to join the others in the parlor.

>>15122

Nice try, but -

The whole time between the gunshot and the body's discovery, no one exited through the door.

Slipping through the red is impossible.

>>15128

I'm not giving up yet! How about this.

From the time of the gunshot was heard by Genji until Kinzo's body was discovered-after shooting Kinzo, my guess is with a gun sound suppressor-the culprit had already exited through the door during the one hour Genji was reading in the servant's room

But still, I have to account for the a gunshot that was heard. So, let's say...

The gunshot that Genji heard was only the culprit discharging the firearm for another cover up OR what Ozaki said, to draw attention to the study so they would investigate.

Last edited at 14/06/02(Mon)01:04:07

Take this, you slippery blue snake!

There was only one gunshot, and that was the very gunshot that fired a bullet into Kinzo's chest! It was also the exact same gunshot Genji heard!

And you still have many mysteries to solve!

1) How the culprit got in

2) How the culprit got out

3) How Kinzo died

4) Why the keypad showed an error message

Last edited at 14/06/02(Mon)04:23:26

No clue about the locked room at the moment, but the way you worded that it seems like we can tackle those mysteries separately. So, the mystery of the ERROR message...

Gohda intentionally or unintentionally messed up and entered the wrong combo.

For some reason the lock secretly checks fingerprints while someone enters a code, and Kinzo made it so only certain people can enter with the correct code while others get an ERROR message regardless.
Since that's literally what I used somewhere else, I just have to try.

Gohda really did enter the correct combo.

The lock does not check for fingerprints. And as long as anyone knows the combo, regardless of identity they still could enter.

Hm... maybe this is already denied by the red about Gohda entering the correct combo, but...

When they got to the door, there were some digits pre-entered on the lock. So when Gohda added the correct combo to that, it still ended up being the wrong code. After the ERROR it reset and consequently worked the next time.

>>15136

No digits were preset on the keypad.

Last edited at 14/06/02(Mon)06:56:10

I don't know... these are my best guesses so far...

Kinzo did not die from the gunshot, he was stabbed by a knife that came with the meal Genji gave him

The hole and the gunshot was a result of him testing the bullet proof vest.

Kinzo died before Genji entered the room. with Rudolf

Last edited at 14/06/03(Tue)07:59:04

>>15193

Kinzo died before Rudolf and the rest entered the room. He was not killed with a knife.

But what's this...? Heh, not bad.

Kinzo indeed did not die from a gunshot.

The hole was caused by the culprit shooting Kinzo yet failing to kill him. Kinzo died from something else in the room.

Last edited at 14/06/03(Tue)22:19:29

I'm surprised no-one's tried this yet.

Genji never removed the ladder after removing the drainpipe. The culprit left through the window after killing Kinzo, and used the ladder to escape.

>>15253

Genji locked the ladder in the gardening shed after using it. The ladder was not involved in the murder.

Last edited at 14/06/04(Wed)05:24:59

Well then.

The culprit used the phone cord of the wall-mounted phone, or some other cable-like object in the room, to climb out of the window.

Oh and about that error thing.
The culprit put something between the doorframe when Genji brought Kinzo his meal. To keep it open for the murder later.

Later it was still in the door causing an ERROR. After seeing this the culprit secretly removed it.

Wha - I was defeated in one fell swoop?!

It's close enough. Here's the full solution. Rudolf was the culprit, and after secretly following Genji up when serving his Master's meal, Rudolf used the economics booklet mentioned earlier to prop the door open for later. Once Genji had left Rudolf entered and shot Kinzo, however upon finding that it failed quickly took the telephone cord and strangled Kinzo to death with it.

He then tied the cord to the desk and climbed down to the first floor, reaching the parlor just in time for Genji to see him. When they all went up to the study and Gohda typed the code, it indeed showed error because the door wasn't fully closed. When Rudolf typed the code he kicked the booklet away and closed the door and managed to get the keypad working. Since Rudolf was the first one in he managed to remove the booklet and the cord before anyone could properly examine them.

Good job. Til the next time.

Heh, so everything the killer used was actually mentioned in the narrative. Good job.

The red about the window being impossible to climb out of threw me off since I assumed this included any possible equipment. I'll make sure to ask for clarification next time. Until then.

Last edited at 14/06/04(Wed)07:18:21