>>12319
"What type of opening do you speak of? And just how do you claim they escaped out the window?"

>>12320
"I'm sure super-detective knows! Let's see what she has to say to that."

I ask Erika-san, this room was on the first floor right? And if it's on the second floor, is it possible that a ladder may exist?~

Actually, were the windows locked when you checked the room? That's probably more important. Lastly, during any point in your investigation, did you find any sort of opening that could explain how a closed room murder may have occurred?

Last edited at 13/07/09(Tue)22:50:28

>>12321
"All three rooms had their windows closed and locked. Also, no type of opening that would be considered out of place was found in any of the rooms from my investigation."

>>12315
"Seems like I won't be able to get much information from that way."


I ask Genji if Shannon, Kanon, Himself, Kumasawa and Gohda are the only servants on the island.

Then, I answer Erika.What if the opening is the door itself, let's say that it doesn't need to be closed to lock it from the inside, and that you can close it afterwards.


Last edited at 13/07/09(Tue)22:32:28

>>12322
"Well, you were late for George and Nanjo anyway. I don't know who arrived first, so I'll just guess that someone may have locked the window between when the door was first unlocked and when Erika arrived on scene.

Since I'm curious..." I ask Kyoko, do you know who was already inside the guesthouse room when you entered? Or the order of people to subsequently come after you? Maybe even if you recall the events between when you woke up and found your grandfather, that would be great.

Last edited at 13/07/09(Tue)22:47:57

>>12323
Genji answers "Yes, the 5 you listed are the servants of the Ushiromiya family. And the only ones presently on duty."

Erika smiles "From my tests that I did, I can conclude that the doors of those three rooms must be closed completely to be able to lock."

>>12324
"When Kanon unlocked the door for Battler and Jessica, the windows were closed and locked."

Kyoko answers your question. "I was the last to arrive before Erika did. One of them killed my grandfather..."

>>12326
I ask Battler, Kanon, and Jessica... each of your answers would be appreciated, were Nanjo and George dead when you opened the door? Or did you see the stab wounds already on the body?

"If not, I think Kyoko's on the right track that George and Nanjo were killed after Kanon unlocked the door."

Last edited at 13/07/10(Wed)00:40:34

>>12327
Jessica at first gets upset at Kanon being accused. But Kanon and Battler calm her down. All three echo the same answer. "When Kanon/I opened the door we saw George and Nanjo already lying their with their stab wounds."

>>12302

I ask Shannon, which room were you in before you were pushed out the window?

>>12329
"Pushed out a window? I wasn't pushed out a window."

>>12328
"Oh sorry, I didn't mean to accuse anyone... Just all three of you in general! Anyway..."

I ask George and Nanjo... what rooms did you guys fall asleep in the night before you were murdered? also, I'll ask Jessica and Battler again, when you left your respective rooms, did you notice the duct tape sealed to the doors? If so, did you notice that any of them were torn? Especially the room of the murder.

"Might as well get this out of the way too, but I like the power of resurrection more."
>>12330
>murdered
>not pushed

Shannon was forced to kill herself because of the culprit by jumping out of the window thus murder. Shannon was pulled out the window instead of pushed.

Last edited at 13/07/10(Wed)03:06:01

>>12330

Ehhhhh? But Natsuhi the witch of Honor and Duty stated in red that you were murdered. Don't tell me you slipped or somethin'? No, no, no. Shannon, were dead before you went out the window?

Seriously, if the GM doesn't want to cooperate you just keep pushing him.
There's a different way to lock or unlock a door besides from the master keys and locking/unlocking it manually from the inside.


Also, teriyaki.

>>12331
Neither George or Nanjo seem to remember falling asleep.

Jessica answers "I left the room first, I don't think I remember any seal, or anything breaking. I don't think of the rooms had stuff like that either. Or if they were, they were broken."

"Shannon did not commit suicide. Explain how someone could have been 'pulled' out the window."

>>12332
Shannon answers "The last thing I remember was cleaning, and then hearing some footsteps behind me."

>>12333
Mira smirks "And just what method might that be. Lock-picking is forbidden. kihihi~"

No chicken exists on Rokkenjima, you teriyaki is denied!

Last edited at 13/07/10(Wed)13:48:35

>>12334
Ange demonstrates how.

"That's obviously how it happened! But The culprit could have also stood on a ladder and pulled her out, and Shannon could have just heard Rosa's footsteps before she and herself were murdered."

Anyway, the lock could have been taken and off and put back on for George and Nanjo. Uh, yeah! That's not lock picking.

Last edited at 13/07/10(Wed)14:04:58

>>12335
"Shannon was not pulled out a window. And for the lock. The lock to the Guesthouse Room was not removed."

>>12336
"Let's just wrap up Shannon."

Shannon was pushed from the roof or other high vantage point. She was a really good maid for cleaning up there. Shannon was pushed from the rose garden into the spike, and then was further impaled by the culprit pushing down. It can be considered homicide if Shannon was forced kill herself by jumping from a high vantage point.

Last edited at 13/07/10(Wed)14:31:35

>>12337
"That is correct. Shannon was pushed off the roof."

>>12338
"Poor Shannon... Oh well, still more murders."

I ask Erika, do you remember the time when you went to bed, woke up, and then found the first corpses?
"If George and Nanjo don't remember falling asleep, I'm just wondering how late it really was and if events transpired she's unaware about."
Maybe if I ask Takashi what he was doing before Nanjo and George were found, or the people he was with and room he was in before he heard the scream "...for alibis etc."

Last edited at 13/07/10(Wed)14:53:15

>>12339
Erika answers "I fell asleep around 11PM. Woke up about 8AM. Finding the first corpses was about a minute or two later."

>>12339
Takashi answers "I was with Maria in the room, the three of us shared. She was a little upset upon waking up and finding her mother missing, so I was trying to calm her down. We heard the scream and let the room to check it out."

>>12334
Lockpicking? I'm talking about any method that would allow you to lock a door while being from the outside of that room. Fishing lines, strings, magnets, your call.

Besides, were the keys for Kyrie and Rudolf's rooms inside of their respective rooms? Ask that to Erika please.

>>12341
"No string type trick could lock the door from the outside, this applies to magnets as well."

Erika answers "Upon checking Rudolf and Kyrie's corpses I found the keys to the rooms they were inside their pockets. The key to Rudolf's room was in Kyrie's and the key to Kyrie's in Rudolf's."

>>12342
"Oh, Genji was being mysterious then! There are more keys..."

I ask Erika, can you list the specific keys found on the rest of the corpses if any were found? Thanks!

>>12343
"Rudolf's key was found in Kyrie's pocket
Kyrie's key was found in Rudolf's pocket
Kumasawa's master key was found in her pocket as well as the key to the boiler room.
The key to the servant's room was found on the table in the servant's room.
Jessica's key to her own room was found in her pocket, as well as the key to the pantry."

>>12344
"Interesting, so no Eva and Hideyoshi key, eh? Well, let's just see if it exists first."

The culprit last locked the guesthouse room with Nanjo and George with it's respective room key from the outside.

I ask Genji again, do you remember all of the keys that existed during the entire duration? Or the one's that you're at least aware of?

Last edited at 13/07/10(Wed)20:04:04

>>12345
NATSUHI answers your question instead. "The following keys are the only ones that exist and matter.

The master keys.
Jessica's Room key
The key to Rudolf's Room (Where his corpse was found)
The key to Kyrie's Room (Where her corpse was found)
The key to the boiler room
The key to the servants room
The key to the pantry
The key to the sunroom.

In other words. There exists no special key to the upstairs rooms in of the guesthouse, or the room where Eva and Hideyoshi's corpses were found."

Last edited at 13/07/10(Wed)20:19:52

>>12346
"Hmmm... at least we confirmed it's a closed room."
The door was locked from the outside with a master key after moving or killing George and Nanjo, and then was locked from the inside again during one point in the game. The window was removed. There still exists some secret passage for the culprit to escape from.

Last edited at 13/07/10(Wed)20:26:19

>>12347
"Between the time George and Nanjo were killed up until the time said corpses were found the door to the Guesthouse Room was only locked once.

The window in the Guesthouse Room was never removed.

There exists no hidden passage in the Guesthouse Room"

>>12348
.....
"Eh--wait. Witch of Honor and Duty, you said the last time the door was locked, it wasn't from a master key from the outside. I still don't know when that time frame ends."

The door was locked again after the corpses were discovered from the inside. The person could have locked the door when everyone was gathered in the room, or sometime later and they just unlocked the window and left. So, The culprit still locked the door from the outside with a master key.

Last edited at 13/07/10(Wed)20:40:21

>>12349
"The only time during this game when the door to the Guesthouse Room was locked from the outside with a master key was after Erika and the others had seen the corpses and investigated the room. This was done by Kanon to preserve the crime scene as Kyrie told him to do. So in short, The crime had already occurred and the closed room had been broken into."

>>12350

"Okay. I'll just cut this possibility too."

The culprit was hiding in the room after locking the door from the inside, somewhere Kanon, Battler, and Jessica couldn't find them. Then when the scream was let out or more people came rushing in, they blended in and pretended to enter and act shocked.

Last edited at 13/07/10(Wed)20:57:33

>>12351
"When Battler, Jessica, and Kanon broke the closed room, no other living person was alive in that room."

>>12352
"Just some more red classifications:

One of the corpses killed the other, locked the door from the inside, and then killed themselves or was forced to kill themselves in a way that would be considered murder. Or both died like that instead of one murdering the other.

George and Nanjo were stabbed through an opening, the culprit never entered the room.

The culprit was able to escape by removing a part of the wall, door, floor, or roof, and then may have patched it back up.

Last edited at 13/07/10(Wed)21:19:28

>>12353
"Neither Nanjo nor George committed suicide.

Door/Window/Floor/Wall/Ceiling, none of those were ever removed or partly removed.

And just how did the corpses get in the center of the room if they were stabbed from outside."

>>12354
"The corpses did not die instantly, they were able to move before dying of exsanguination. After they were stabbed they moved into their location near the center of the room. Rather, the main idea is one of the corpses helped with the locking before dying.

And another train of thought...

The corpses were not in the room when Kanon, Battler, and Jessica opened the door. They were thrown in after at some point. Team efforts are always fun.~"

>>12355
"Neither George nor Nanjo looked the Guestroom Door.

The corpses were in the room when Jessica, Battler and Kanon broke into the closed room."

>>12356
"The corpses helped lock the window after they were stabbed. Either the culprit stabbed them from the outside or in, they still had a delayed death that allowed them move and lock.

Hmm, can you also define "lock picking"? It seems I only understand that as the art of unlocking a door.

The culprit locked the door or window from the outside without a key through a method and/or mechanism without a string or magnet. A knife, tool, bed sheet, etc.

Last edited at 13/07/11(Thu)19:43:03

>>12357
"....Your second blue... That is correct the window to the Guesthouse Room was locked from the outside."

>>12358
"Great, great. Actual progress feels good. On to the next!

I ask Jessica, can you tell me what happened before you screamed to find Rosa? Or what your group was doing before you found her? I'm just wondering if you or someone had to go unlock the door too.

I also ask Erika the state of the room and Rosa's corpse."

>>12359
Jessica answers. "I unlocked the door. I had the key to my room after all. I saw Rosa Oba-san's corpse right away and screamed."

Erika answers. "I didn't get a chance to look at the corpse or the room really, due to Shannon falling everyone pushed me out to check that out. And the door was locked when I had a chance to get back to it."

Ange dozes off for a moment in a strange, strange place... In that moment, she almost stopped thinking. But to stop thinking would mean to certainly die in this place.

She needs to push on.

>>12359
"Alright. I did make a mistake, my sincerest apologies. Let's do this in order.

I request to summon Erika once again. Since she was unable to examine Rosa's room properly, perhaps she had better luck with Eva and Hideyoshi as I backtrack. Erika, if you may provide the state of the room and their corpses please.

Also, a blue for good measure:

This closed room was created in a similar manner as George's and Nanjo's closed room, where a window was locked from the outside to provide a means of escape."

Last edited at 13/08/06(Tue)17:20:09

>>12365
Erika answers

"Both corpses were stabbed, and in the middle of the room. The room was fairly normal, nothing seems out of place, 2 dressers with nothing inside, a closet, bathroom, 2 beds, a standard room."

"It is impossible for a human who is outside of the room to lock the window."

>>12366
Then a mechanism locked that window from the outside where a physical act by a human is not required. Something like a mechanism set off by the heat or sun from outside etc.

...
After painting the circles on the door, the culprit murdered Eva and Hideyoshi. The culprit then locked the door from the outside through a means or method.

The culprit was hiding in the room, bathroom, or closet before Genji opened the door. When Erika went to perform her search, the culprit moved around behind her field of vision to either exit the room or blend in with the crowd.

There was an opening to stab the victims or to escape because the wall/floor/ceiling was removed or partly removed.

Last edited at 13/08/17(Sat)17:35:21

>>12490
"Th-that is correct. A mechanism locked the window, in the room Eva and Hideyoshi were found in. Also known as an-auto locking window."

>>12491
" Already asked Erika about the next room. . . I'm just going to dive in.

The window was unlocked as Erika never had a chance to examine the room. The culprit exited through there. Or Jessica lied when she said she unlocked the door, they escaped through an opened door.

Rosa faked her death as Erika was unable to examine the room properly, and locked the door and window behind her.

Lastly, Jessica murdered Rosa and screamed shortly after to make it seem as if she just discovered the scene."

>>12493
"Rosa was indeed alive at the time Erika and co gathered in Jessica's room."

>>12495
"And here I was so keen on my Jessica-theory with killing herself in the cupboard or Erika killed her after finding out she was the culprit through her famous beheading. . . I suppose it's not over yet.

Well anyway, Shannon is done with as well on the howdunnit as far as I can tell. In regards to the second twilight,

The culprit murdered Kyrie and Rudolf in their respective rooms and took their keys and nailed them to the wall. After locking the door and setting the chain lock for each, they exited through the open windows and switched the keys around. From the outside, the windows were locked through the same mechanism as before with autolocked windows as they shut them."

Last edited at 13/08/17(Sat)19:30:29

>>12497
"Neither Rudolf's nor Kyrie's rooms have auto locks on the windows."

>>12498
After murdering both of them and taking their keys like explained above, the culprit locks the door behind them in room A with the opposite key and goes into room B and exits through door or window after planting the key, and locks them from the outside through a methods or mean without an autolock.

They do the above, but do not leave the room and instead hide. When Erika enters, the culprit manages to stay behind her and everyone else's field of vision to escape.

Last edited at 13/08/19(Mon)16:52:28