No. 7

Okay, let's get this discussion rolling, then. Start with, say, the first twilight.

Gohda- Found in Guest Room. Strange wounds on chest and neck.

Genji- Found in kitchen. Wounds on feet and hands.

Krauss- Found in Guest house lounge. Wonds on shoulders and hips.

Natsuhi- Wounds on Knees and elbows. Found in Guesthouse lobby.

Kanon- Large wound on head. Found in chapel.

Now, what is the purpose of these strange marks? I wonder. Is it just there for effect, or is it a clue? No wounds like this are found on any of the other victims.

Suspects: Almost anyone is a suspect for this crime. What we must remember is that some bodies disappeaed (Gohda and Genji's, I believe) so what happened to them? Fake death? A possible substitute corpse for the 4th twilight?

The guest house was sealed from the inside. If this was done by the culprit, our list very much narrows down. If it wasn't, however, then that gets us almost nowhere. We don't even have a time frame for when it was done.

Also, we have to remember they keys. We have the red truth that the pouches were in the room, but that means nothing unless she can confirm that the keys were inside as well. If not, the crime becomes easy for anyone other than Shannon.

No. 8

Actually, I think Gohda was in the kitchen as well.

No. 9

Now I can't think of a motive right now. But if I go with Occam's Razor my thinking would go like this.

First twilight, the FIRST layer of skin was taken off, leads me to think that it may have been, dare I say it an....."enthusiast".
Later Gohda's body disappears, and I forgot the other point I had.

Either way, without a motive I'm not confidant about Gohda. So I'll finish reading the game and then we can start really crunching.

No. 10

>>9
Although it has been said it doesn't follow Dine or Knox. I'd assume the beginning wasn't for nothing. "Why would Rosa add that much story in the beginning?".

No. 11

I'm not sure about the whole "being swallowed by a sea monster", but I immidiately thought that Jessica would be the culprit when I saw her backstory.

No. 12

>>11
Well from the whole sea monster part, to when they get on the island is the part I was talking about. That may hold the motive.
You never know, since there isn't Knox or Dine we can't tell if the motive was even hinted. But seeing as there was enough back story to hid something I'd say there would be.
Unless this was the plan all along to get us to think that it was in there.

Also, why does everyone try and put it the blame on Shannon!? If I ever make a game I'm putting the blame on someone else.

No. 13

>>12
Also the key pouch and the missing bodies, doesn't matter. While Shannon was cooking the culprit was in the room. She didn't lock the door while she was cooking. Ether they were already in the room, or they just entered from the door.
Simple as that.

No. 14

Probably because everyone started doing that after episode 7. Well, my game with Rosa won't be putting the blame on her.

I wonder. The "Black Witch Rosa" only appeared twice in the story. Also, I can tell that Rosa and Maria were clearly supposed to be chosen for the first twilight, but they were spared. Why? How?

I enjoy my Jessica culprit theory. She has a motive and means for most of the murders. The only thing that bothers me is Eva's death. It seems to obvious.

Of course, [bl] there can be more than one culprit.[/bl]

No. 15

>>14
Hmm, yeah there are a few questions that need to be answered. Well then, I'll continue finishing up the game.

No. 18

A list of all the red, for reference.

I'm not making a joke. Some girls like yaoi.
Shannon didn't leave the main house until she left to search for Kanon.
When the group first discovered the first twilight in both those two rooms those velvet bags were sitting in their spots.
When I say two rooms, I am referring to the kitchen and the guest room.
Denied!
Denied. Denied. Denied!!!!
Shannon didn't leave the main house until she went to look for Kanon.
After Erika saw Rosa and Nanjo they did not step foot outside the guest house until after 6AM.
Neither Battler nor Jessica went outside the guesthouse after midnight until after 6AM.
Shannon was the only living person that went outside between midnight and 6AM.
I clearly could tell that it was the real Rosa Ushiromiya and Nanjo.
Shortly after midnight Battler went downstairs and said good night to Genji.
Of course Genji was still alive at this time.
Battler didn't lie, he said goodnight to the real Genji.
Of course Genji was still alive while Battler said good night to him.
By the time the clock struck 6AM the first twilight was already complete.
Of course it is only complete when 6 sacrifices are made.
Shannon was the one who gave the letter signed from Beatrice to Maria.
Kinzo is dead.
Krauss is dead.
Natsuhi is dead.
Jessica is dead.
Hideyoshi is dead.
Eva is dead.
George is dead.
Rudolf is dead.
Kyrie is dead.
Battler is dead.
Rosa is dead.
Maria is dead.
Genji is dead.
Kumasawa and Gohda are dead.
Nanjo is dead.
Kanon and Shannon are dead.

No. 19

>>18
Probably Bern messing with the board, she went and messed around with the picture at the top on the other one. I'll get Rin to fix it when she gets on.

Ohh and you forgot two reds, the two that are in the ending credits.

No. 20

>>18
You know the fact that he listed all the people dead makes me think there is probably a trick in there. Might be a old one...

No. 21

>>1
Me on the left.

No. 22

Rose.

No. 23

>>22

When did that appear again?

No. 24

>>23
When Kyrie was discovered in the boiler room.

No. 25

An odd dying message.

Anyways, I think that if the first twilight isn't too much of a problem, we should move on to the second.

Eva and Hideyoshi.

The problem is that Jessica says she saw Shannon do it. Could she have miseen something?

No. 26

>>25
I'm willing to bet she's just lying.

No. 27

>>22
I'm curious as to why Rosa didn't use 玫瑰 instead of 薔薇.

No. 28

>>26

Unfortunately, this seems most likely. In which case Jessica might really be the culprit. The only people she would lie for are Krauss, Natsuhi, and Kanon. They all died on the first twilight.

No. 29

>>27
Probably because if you find the real meaning it'll give a hint or even the answer.

At least that's what I'd hope it'd give.

No. 30

>>28
Call me crazy, but this is what I had in mind:

Jessica loved Kanon but he 'died' at the first twilight. So Jessica wanted to screw up George's relationship with Shannon, by pinning her as the culprit.

It also makes sense that Jessica would kill George's parents, then blame his girlfriend for it, right?

No. 31

>>30

It's plausible, but the game made it seem like the only answer would be that neither of them were lying. Assuming one of them were lying seems too obvious.

No. 32

Also, I can't help but wonder: Who is the detective in this insanity? A reliable view would help greatly.

No. 34

Gah, how did I miss these reds?!

As long as I was in the cousins' room, I would have seen if any of the cousins made any suspicous moves or tried to leave the guest house.
While I was in the cousins room, looking out the window I would have seen if anyone left or entered the guest house.

...Doesn't this rule out a Jessica-culprit? Unless there are multiple culprits.

No. 35

>>32
I doubt there is one. I was looking, but i couldn't see one.

No. 38

>>34
Exclusive or, ne.

No. 39

>>35
"Of course there is a detective. A mystery must have a detective after all~"

No. 40

>>39
Depends on how you define detective.

Well anyway I've finished the game now. Now time to reconstruct the pieces of chaos...

No. 41

Umm, I think we've stop thinking. Ok for now let's check our "hows" for each twilight.

No. 42

Don't mind me. Just reading the reds Kinjo gathered. Also, are you sure about the meaning of that Kanji?

No. 43

>>42
That's what it means, Just not what Rosa wanted us to figure out.

No. 44

Hey if anyone wants to go, just go right ahead. It's not like we have a limit or anything.

No. 45

Is it safe to assume that someone faked their death along the way? At this point, I have to assume multiple culprits. There just doesn't seem to be any other way.

No. 54

Sorry, guys...I failed...heh. Time for someone else to step up to bat.

No. 57

>>54
Hmm, well the fact that Rosa still hasn't fully denied them from killing is funny but...

I've got something to do, so tomorrow or maybe today I'll give it a shot. And if Kinjo hasn't already seen this (doubt it) then I'll IM him after I try.